In post 517, Aquanim wrote:Back, for a little while at least.
@Tr1ckster
: Don't get me wrong, I have doubts about the BBT lynch. It's possible that I've misinterpreted his posts and that he's town. I have doubts about *everything*. The difference is the magnitude of my doubts.
I don't think it's implausible that a townie, new or otherwise, would have chosen to back off their scumread of me based on the pressure he received over it. That being said, I would expect a townie to also say "...I still think he's scum but I'm not going to pursue that for now" or "...I no longer think he's quite as scummy" or "oh wait, he's obvtown, whoops" or whatever. Something which indicates he's still thinking about my alignment and has a continuous read on me, as a townie should. Is it possible that a townie would no longer feel comfortable even expressing an opinion about my alignment? Yeah, but I think it's definitely getting into the "unlikely" category.
It's a newbie game, though. If the "unlikely" happens, it's usually in a newbie game. The "unlikely" is more likely to happen here than anywhere else.
Yes, he definitely should have noted your alignment... if he was scum and calculating his moves so he didn't look more scummy. But if he's town and is just trying to stay alive? Then he's not worried at that moment what your alignment is. He knows he's town and staying alive is top priority. Yes, noting your alignment would probably make him look more towny, but he doesn't care how he looks, he just wants to stay alive because he's town and he knows the town WINCON is keep townies alive. He knows there's plenty of time left in D1 to scumhunt after he gets himself out of his predicament, so he goes and does what he does.
I don't know.
I've seen newbies (and not only newbies!) self-vote before. I don't think I've ever seen a townie make a serious selfvote (i.e. not a RVS selfvote, which means very little; I mean a vote with the serious intention of lynching oneself) in cold blood.
The point is don't think I've ever seen a townie make a deliberate, thought-out plan to vote themselves to avoid a lynch. It's either they did it in the spur of the moment, or they're scum. Maybe a townie has done it at some point, but I think the latter two are far more likely. And the whole "constructed" thing makes the spur-of-the-moment hypothesis less likely IMO.
I have. I tried to lynch the guy. But there was someone scummier D1. So I lynched them instead. I was NK'd. Good thing, too. Well. Better that I was NK'd than someone else. I would have lynched the guy immediately. Found out post-game the guy was town all along. I guess that's a major reason I'm super paranoid of a BBT lynch. Because I've tried to lynch someone like him before... and at game end, they were town.
Let me take a break and think about it, ok?
He just reached L-1. There's a new player here who might have things to say. Here them out.
Also give BBT a chance to claim.
I'll review the BBT stuff again.
But you take a look at the Madonna stuff. We'll come to a conclusion and work it out after I've slept on it and reread. And BBT's claimed. And our new member has posted his/her thoughts. Until then, I think a vote for BBT is a scum-claim.
