Open 556: Fire and Ice (Over)

[Not_Mafia]

EBWOP: However, having just ISO'd Zephy, I noticed this post which slipped me by earlier. This is way too self conscious to have come from town, if you're town, why would Baezu's voting you affect your desire to vote them?

[Zephyrus]

That mislynch is going to happen C:

@ Moon - just a friendly game of mafia bantering. Don't take it too seriously

[Moonlight]

For the sake of argument, assume I'm Town when you read this post, even if you're scumreading me. I want you to see what I see.

In 141, Zeph examines the possibility of a team of me and Tricks. (If he is scum, his lack of voting there suggests distancing, and I know I'm Town.)

In 246, he defends Tricks without providing reasoning behind his read and with his next post he goes after a hydra... for being a hydra.

In 284, he wonders if Baezu is scum with Tricks, but with his next post he townreads Tricks AGAIN without reasoning.

The way I see it, Zeph is scum and his flip will say a lot about Tricks.

[Not_Mafia]

Semi off topic; I'd love nothing more for postgame lulz than for Trickster and Moonlight to be on opposite scumteams who are both trying to captalise on their dynamic to get townread

[Moonlight]

That would be fucking brilliant and I'm sorry to disappoint you. I

wish

this was my scum game instead of the previous disaster.

[Not_Mafia]

Moonlight have you been keeping track of the votes at all? Unsure how many votes are on Zephy right now

[Tr1ckster]

For the sake of argument, assume I'm Town when you read this post, even if you're scumreading me. I want you to see what I see.

In 141, Zeph examines the possibility of a team of me and Tricks. (If he is scum, his lack of voting there suggests distancing, and I know I'm Town.)

In 246, he defends Tricks without providing reasoning behind his read and with his next post he goes after a hydra... for being a hydra.

In 284, he wonders if Baezu is scum with Tricks, but with his next post he townreads Tricks AGAIN without reasoning.

The way I see it, Zeph is scum and his flip will say a lot about Tricks.

Oh fun.

You make me want to unvote Zeph because I'm scared he's scum... >.< You're as bad as Cue, you know that? I swear I'm so done with you people who can make it bad for me to vote for a scummy player...

Semi off topic; I'd love nothing more for postgame lulz than for Trickster and Moonlight to be on opposite scumteams who are both trying to captalise on their dynamic to get townread

Now that's a game I want to see.

[Tr1ckster]

Oh fun.

You make me want to unvote Zeph because I'm scared he's scum... >.< You're as bad as Cue, you know that? I swear I'm so done with you people who can make it bad for me to vote for a scummy player...

I didn't mean to use that face there, BTW. >.<

[Moonlight]

You've got nothing to worry about if you're Town, Tricks. I said I'd consider the possibility much more seriously, I won't quicklynch you or anything.

@NM: I'm counting 5 votes by 4 Heads, Baezu, me, Tricks and you. That's L-2.

[Tr1ckster]

You've got nothing to worry about if you're Town, Tricks. I said I'd consider the possibility much more seriously, I won't quicklynch you or anything.

@NM: I'm counting 5 votes by 4 Heads, Baezu, me, Tricks and you. That's L-2.

Ah good. I figured Mastin'd try to set you straight anyways...

Unless she's scum.. O_O

I'm kind of scared of the wall that's most likely coming tomorrow...

[Not_Mafia]

She can't even spoiler tag it :/

[Zephyrus]

Can we prod the mod?

[Tr1ckster]

She can't even spoiler tag it :/

Exactly..

*shivers*

Oh well.. It's not like I haven't built a small wall or two myself ... I guess we'll just brace ourselves?

I wonder what time we can expect it...

[Moonlight]

As we wait, I want Zeph to explain his scumread on me. I'm scum for joining his wagon seems to be the reasoning behind it and I find it really bothersome that he has ignored the parts of my play that did

not

involve him.

So Zeph, if I am scum, why aren't you doing anything to show the Town that I'm leading them on? Show them where exactly I've shown scum motivation. You're not doing it, are you? You just said "that mislynch is going to happen". Yeah, it's unlikely to be a mislynch because I refuse to believe you'd go down without fighting. You did fight in the previous game, but here you've just been enjoying the chaos.

[Randomnamechange]

Im getting a Hanzo vibe from 4 heads as well. Sorry I havent been the most active, had exams so have been quite busy.
Im keeping my vote where it is, but am going to re evaluate my other reads.
@tricks, if you think Boro is doing a Hanzo, would you be looking at a lurker as the partner?

[Randomnamechange]

Im getting a Hanzo vibe from 4 heads as well. Sorry I havent been the most active, had exams so have been quite busy.
Im keeping my vote where it is, but am going to re evaluate my other reads.
@tricks, if you think Boro is doing a Hanzo, would you be looking at a lurker as the partner?

[Tr1ckster]

Im getting a Hanzo vibe from 4 heads as well. Sorry I havent been the most active, had exams so have been quite busy.
Im keeping my vote where it is, but am going to re evaluate my other reads.
@tricks, if you think Boro is doing a Hanzo, would you be looking at a lurker as the partner?

Where do you see Hanzo in the Four Heads?

I don't know. It's possible. His partner could really be anyone, I'm not limiting it to a lurker at this moment.

[Randomnamechange]

[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p5867760]post 353[/url], Not_Mafia"]Semi off topic; I'd love nothing more for postgame lulz than for Trickster and Moonlight to be on opposite scumteams who are both trying to captalise on their dynamic to get townread[/quote]
I was thinking exactly this.
I see Hanzo in four heads in that his defence against all votes is basically 'you are just butthurt'

[Tr1ckster]

I see Hanzo in four heads in that his defence against all votes is basically 'you are just butthurt'

Yes, but they're thinking through their decisions, they seem to emulate pro-town behavior... Hanzo did not. Yes, they reacted badly to a vote on them, but that happens in mafia.

[Moonlight]

After going through the pages, I'm getting to the conclusion that Tricks is very unlikely to be scum because of 230 alone. He probably slipped there and didn't mean to roleclaim, whereas as scum he'd be careful to leave his options open for a Doctor counterclaim if he makes it to LyLo.

I'm pointing the claim out because I assume scum aren't blind.

I still think Zeph is scum despite that. He probably wanted to keep Tricks away from him and got aggressive with Baezu when Tricks' attention was off him because he felt unthreatened. As soon as the heat got on him, he got strangely quiet instead of going after his scumreads.

Just thinking out loud, I'm not trying to make a point.

[Moonlight]

I'm still waiting for idk to provide reasoning behind his vote for Boro and tman to post his read on 4H.

And I'm also asking anyone not on the Zephyrus wagon to provide any thoughts they feel like sharing about it.

[4 Heads of Insanity]

Non onNONONO NO TOWN BLOCKS

Town blocks = Scum gets to act towny, hide with townies, push townie lynches and act like "

Well it was the town block's lynch.

" and get away with whatever the fuck they want.

HELL NO TOWNBLOCKS

[4 Heads of Insanity]

For the sake of argument, assume I'm Town when you read this post, even if you're scumreading me. I want you to see what I see.

In 141, Zeph examines the possibility of a team of me and Tricks. (If he is scum, his lack of voting there suggests distancing, and I know I'm Town.)

In 246, he defends Tricks without providing reasoning behind his read and with his next post he goes after a hydra... for being a hydra.

In 284, he wonders if Baezu is scum with Tricks, but with his next post he townreads Tricks AGAIN without reasoning.

The way I see it, Zeph is scum and his flip will say a lot about Tricks.

I like this. Hardens my townread of Moonlight. My read of Tr1cks is based on his flip. So let's get this flip, shall we?

VOTE: Zeph

[Tr1ckster]

L-1 ^^

A vote for Zeph = a scum claim.

Zeph claim please.

[Moonlight]

Still L-2, they were already voting Zeph. And it was Chrimi who cast that vote in 266, how on earth did they forget? o_O

Tricks is still Town regardless of anyone's flip unless someone points out where I'm wrong in 369.