Touhou UPick 2 - [Game Over]

[VictorDeAngelo]

So people are voting the double voter. Being wagoned doesn't make you scum all of a sudden does it.

Considering RB/Pim's claim about gaining extra votes is testable why is no one testing it?

[Kagami]

An L-1 wagon that, from your point of view, is probably almost all town is a pretty strong indicator that the player is scum.

Why would we test that? No one is doubting the claim, and it would be incredibly stupid to fakeclaim something so easily testable.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Wouldn't such a role be broken on scum though.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Also I wouldn't say this wagon is all town:

GuyInFreezer, Feirei, zMuffinMan, notscience, pieguyn, SXTLHGaiden, vezokpiraka

[VictorDeAngelo]

PEdit: That should be almost all town

[SXTLHGaiden]

Wouldn't such a role be broken on scum though.

there are ways around it. making people unvoteable, town governor, 1shot unlynchable, etc.

[zMuffinMan]

Why town Muffin?

nacho's right to read me has been revoked for good

Yo, Muffin, what's your opinion of Raging Bull specifically?

obviously i thought he was the towniest fuck that ever towned. should be pretty obvious if you've read anything i've said about him. or you could just scroll up to 2203

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.18

GuyInFreezer [2] - zMuffinMan, Kagami
Malakittens [4] - vezokpiraka, Varsoon, VictorDeAngelo, GuyInFreezer
Varsoon [1] -

GuyInFreezer

SXTLHGaiden [1] - GuyInFreezer
VictorDeAngelo [1] -

GuyInFreezer

Magua [1] - GuyInFreezer
Pim [4] - GuyInFreezer, Magua, Malakittens, Nachomamma8
Sakura Hana [1] - GuyInFreezer
zMuffinMan [1] - GuyInFreezer
Kagami [1] - GuyInFreezer
Nachomamma8 [1] - GuyInFreezer
vezokpiraka [1] - GuyInFreezer

Not Voting [3]

- SXTLHGaiden Sakura Hana Pim

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

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Deadline is May 8, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-05-08 13:00:00)

[zMuffinMan]

Considering RB/Pim's claim about gaining extra votes is testable why is no one testing it?

it was suggested we test it at some point D1. but it never happened because he voted your slot D1 and the vote got stuck. i personally don't want to test it purely because i don't think he's lying about gaining extra votes from hammering but i don't think he's town

Wouldn't such a role be broken on scum though

apart from the fact it has somewhat limited utility and is potentially countered in a number of ways, it's role madness. what exactly are you expecting in terms of scum roles?

[zMuffinMan]

hey gaiden

it was nice of you
to drop in
and say hi

see you in another few days

[vezokpiraka]

What are we waitin for?
Top three scum: ns, muffin, gaiden

[SXTLHGaiden]

I blame House of Cards for my lack of attention.
so vezok, why am i scum?

[Malakittens]

For once in a game.. I would love to have an IC who doesn't just flat out ignore new information. It's like NS still isn't here yet he has no mention of anything I posted. No new read, no expression of the chance he's even read my posts.

What's really sad if Prim came in right now.. He'd have the hammer because I'm hated and second because no one has moved their votes off me. I'm still at L-2.

I know I had a question to answer but has to wait until I'm on my computer as its easier to grab quotes etc rather than having multiple tabs open off an iPhone.

[Malakittens]

Nacho give me thoughts on Kagami and GiF please. Mainly the former than the latter.

Also requotingcuz he missed it~

[SXTLHGaiden]

sigh, I didn't want to do this so early, but...
here we go.
I'mma vote our IC since i know for a fact no one will do a quick lynch on him.
VOTE: vezok
Now we wait for a VC.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.19

GuyInFreezer [2] - zMuffinMan, Kagami
Malakittens [4] - vezokpiraka, Varsoon, VictorDeAngelo, GuyInFreezer
Varsoon [1] -

GuyInFreezer

SXTLHGaiden [1] - GuyInFreezer
VictorDeAngelo [1] -

GuyInFreezer

Magua [1] - GuyInFreezer
Pim [4] - GuyInFreezer, Magua, Malakittens, Nachomamma8
Sakura Hana [1] - GuyInFreezer
zMuffinMan [1] - GuyInFreezer
Kagami [1] - GuyInFreezer
Nachomamma8 [1] - GuyInFreezer
vezokpiraka [3] - GuyInFreezer, SXTLHGaidenx2

Not Voting [2]

- Sakura Hana Pim

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

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Deadline is May 8, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-05-08 13:00:00)

[SXTLHGaiden]

UNVOTE:
now then.

[Malakittens]

Okay why does so many people have double votes -;;

Gaiden I want to test something on GIF sheep me til next VC pls.

VOTE: GiF

[SXTLHGaiden]

in theory, no one should be able to vote GiF, but sure why not
VOTE: GiF

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.20

GuyInFreezer [2] - zMuffinMan, Kagami
Malakittens [4] - vezokpiraka, Varsoon, VictorDeAngelo, GuyInFreezer
Varsoon [1] -

GuyInFreezer

SXTLHGaiden [1] - GuyInFreezer
VictorDeAngelo [1] -

GuyInFreezer

Magua [1] - GuyInFreezer
Pim [4] - GuyInFreezer, Magua, Malakittens, Nachomamma8
Sakura Hana [1] - GuyInFreezer
zMuffinMan [1] - GuyInFreezer
Kagami [1] - GuyInFreezer
Nachomamma8 [1] - GuyInFreezer
vezokpiraka [1] - GuyInFreezer

Not Voting [3]

- Sakura Hana, Pim, SXTLHGaiden

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

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Deadline is May 8, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-05-08 13:00:00)

[VictorDeAngelo]

Wouldn't such a role be broken on scum though.

there are ways around it. making people unvoteable, town governor, 1shot unlynchable, etc.

I could see those working with a simple double voter, but if Pim's role could really up her votecount then it sounds really OP for scum.

And if RB was scum why would he admit aspect off the bat anyway. The best thing to would be to keep the information to himself, and then perhaps hold off hammering just before lylo and then take advantage. Giving the town a heads up serves no purpose.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Also was GiF replaced by someone or not?

[zMuffinMan]

no he wasn't yet

[zMuffinMan]

if RB was scum why would he admit aspect off the bat anyway. The best thing to would be to keep the information to himself, and then perhaps hold off hammering just before lylo and then take advantage. Giving the town a heads up serves no purpose

even apart from the fact that people don't always think about things optimally, in the scenario he lied about his role and simply claimed "double voter" or something, he could potentially get caught in a lie at some point prior to lylo and screw himself over

(plus, really, a double voter scum is no different to a triple voter scum in lylo and it's not even an advantage if, for example, town has a method of nullifying his vote or just outright vig killing him if he did that)

like yes, it's potentially a powerful role for scum if all goes well and he lives to lylo in a game with multiple cop investigations and other abilities that could screw him over, but what exactly do you think scum has to counter town power?

[FakeGod]

Prodded Pim.