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Post Post #2475 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 3:57 am

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In post 2464, zMuffinMan wrote:
kagami wrote:what do you think about the TNE lynch wagon?
why are you interested in that wagon specifically?
thenewearth [8] - VictorDeAngelo, pieguyn, GuyInFreezer, Varsoon, Sakura Hana, vezokpiraka, notscience, SXTLHGaiden [LYNCH]

It's an interesting wagon from the standpoint Varsoon is claiming.
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Post Post #2476 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 4:59 am

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In post 2475, Kagami wrote:
In post 2464, zMuffinMan wrote:
kagami wrote:what do you think about the TNE lynch wagon?
why are you interested in that wagon specifically?
thenewearth [8] - VictorDeAngelo, pieguyn, GuyInFreezer, Varsoon, Sakura Hana, vezokpiraka, notscience, SXTLHGaiden [LYNCH]

It's an interesting wagon from the standpoint Varsoon is claiming.
With the exception of victor ( who I believe is pretty town ) and GIF ( who I don't know what to think about) all the people on it were town.
I feel like in this game everybody is town and there are no scum.
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Post Post #2477 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 7:32 am

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Yeah it's annoying that the back end of the TNE wagon is all town. Especially since most of them went on without any real reason.

GiF is voting so much that just follow the votes is of no use. Assuming Sakura didn't embellish with her cop result and Varsoon is godfather I kinda feel like GiF should be scum just cause an all town wagon here would be pretty bad. As for everyone else:

Hana was voting no one (and barely in the game)
Kagami was no voting (hmmmmmm)
Muffin was voting RB (which makes sense)
Bork was voting Muffin
GiF was also voting me, Pie, Bitmap, Varsoon, Gaiden (i.e a big pile of town). That makes me wonder as well.

And that should everyone left.

Then, at the end of Day 2:

GiF obviously voting everyone to be unlynchable.
Varsoon not voting (Mala is the only wagon I can remember him be interested in at this point)
I'm voting Sakura (Mala being the other wagon I was interested in)
Kagami voting GiF (who has unlynchable for like half a Day at this point). In fact Kagami only ever seemed to commit to lynching the two players that wouldn't be lynched at this point (me and GiF)
Vezok voting Mala.

And then we get the Pim Wagon
In post 2360, FakeGod wrote:
Pim [7] - GuyInFreezer, Magua, Malakittens, Nachomamma8, zMuffinMan, Sakura Hanax2 [LYNCH]
I remember Muffin responding when I asked for a case. I can't remember Nacho and Magua reasons to be on the wagon. Nacho is in a liklier scum spot than Magua.

At this point though I kind of feel like I'm coming round to voting Kagami ahead of Magua simply for not committing to wagons.

More later.
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Post Post #2478 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 7:42 am

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In post 2476, vezokpiraka wrote:
In post 2475, Kagami wrote:
In post 2464, zMuffinMan wrote:
kagami wrote:what do you think about the TNE lynch wagon?
why are you interested in that wagon specifically?
thenewearth [8] - VictorDeAngelo, pieguyn, GuyInFreezer, Varsoon, Sakura Hana, vezokpiraka, notscience, SXTLHGaiden [LYNCH]

It's an interesting wagon from the standpoint Varsoon is claiming.
With the exception of victor ( who I believe is pretty town ) and GIF ( who I don't know what to think about) all the people on it were town.
I feel like in this game everybody is town and there are no scum.
Why do you believe Victor is town?
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Post Post #2479 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 8:28 am

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In post 1259, Kagami wrote:Game-state:

Vezok is an IC.
Sakura has used an ability that she claims is a delayed daycop (she gets result tomorrow) on Varsoon.
GIF is Aya, and knows all of our flavors. GIF can also vote for multiple players at once.
GIF has claimed to protect Sakura with a spellcard:
GIF has claimed that this was a gambit, and it's actually a selfprotect:
RB has claimed a double-voter whose vote builds up until he becomes a suicide king:
I have claimed to have some enacted a relationship of some sort with muffin. Muffin is aware that this has happened.


The rest is soft data from posts. I recommend starting with a GIF iso, and looking at when and why he unvotes a player. I agree with most of his reasoning so far.
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Post Post #2480 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 8:35 am

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@ffery: The way he responded to knowing he will die. He didn't seem like concerned scum.

Also I'm thinking there might be only 2 SKs out there.
Does anyone flavor make them SK ffery?
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Post Post #2481 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 8:43 am

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I'm not sure of anything anymore.
UNVOTE:

Kagami, wagon analysis has fueled mislynches for me in this game already. I'm not so keen on doing it, especially when prompted by people I'm not so keen on.
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Post Post #2482 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 8:47 am

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In post 2480, vezokpiraka wrote:@ffery: The way he responded to knowing he will die. He didn't seem like concerned scum.

Also I'm thinking there might be only 2 SKs out there.
Does anyone flavor make them SK ffery?
I'm not a flavor expert. :/

Also, weren't the alignments randomized?
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Post Post #2483 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 9:39 am

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Alignments are randomized, flavor doesn't matter.

I surprised muffin day 1, and pim day 2. The trigger for this has been explained, the effect has not.

There are still probably 3 scum, 1 SK. Town is fairly powerful, so I don't see 2 scum, 1 SK as a likelihood unless there are major foils to the two cops.
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Post Post #2484 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 10:37 am

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Post Post #2485 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 10:41 am

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There have consistently been multiple kills.
Are we sure there's an SK and it's not just a vig or something?

Also, if we're at 4v3v1 right now, then town can't majority lynch by itself.
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Post Post #2486 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 10:47 am

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Vezok and Sakura have already claimed extra vig shots so I'm sceptical a full vig is in this setup as well. Plus neither Pie nor Bitmap look like good vigshot target which makes me think neither N1 kill was town aligned.

Given the way the game is going any third party would want to side with the town now to prevent a mafia victory so there is some degree of control.
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Post Post #2487 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 12:03 pm

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So, Kagami's miller claim and insistence on there not being a third party early game looks weird to no one other than me, right?
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Post Post #2488 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 12:05 pm

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In post 13, Kagami wrote:prob not multiball, since my role specifically says that investigate as mafia (with no additional modifiers)
In post 19, Kagami wrote:
In post 14, Varsoon wrote:Miller claims bug me.
Doesn't that still not rule out the possibility of an SK?
Doesn't rule that out, but I don't consider that multiball~
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Post Post #2489 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 12:09 pm

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Yeah, that's super awkward.
You brought up the idea of an SK
before double kills happened
and now double kills are consistent
and you're like, "Hey, what about that"
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Post Post #2490 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 12:14 pm

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You mean... you brought up the idea of an SK?

Why are you SK hunting anyway?
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Post Post #2491 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 12:51 pm

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In post 2489, Varsoon wrote:Yeah, that's super awkward.
You brought up the idea of an SK
before double kills happened
and now double kills are consistent
and you're like, "Hey, what about that"
What post(s) are you talking about?
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Post Post #2492 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 12:54 pm

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Feirei/Victor


I've never played a game with Feirei except for 1 or 2 chat mafia games last year. I haven't meta'd him and probably won't.

There were off notes here and there in his early posting, but this one really pings somehow.
In post 1106, Feirei wrote:I um...don't directly engage people much anymore. I'm usually lynched for it because of my inability to word things correctly. I'm trying a different approach this game.

I do ask questions if I get one.
I've said this sort of thing as town (about changing my style, not about not directly engaging people), but almost always my resolve to change how I play fades in the face of a lot of flack for not playing like I usually do. But, most of the time when I've said this sort of thing I was scum.
In post 1220, Feirei wrote:@ RB:
In post 1120, Feirei wrote:I don't know what to think of that. I went to vote Bitmaplurker because lurking is scummy.
I'm this close to fucking lashing out at you because you can't be fucking arsed to read the goddamn thread. I ANSWERED YOUR FUCKING QUESTION PAGES AGO.
PAGES AGO.
RIGHT NOW, I'M VOTING YOU BECAUSE OF 3 FUCKING REASONS. READY?

1. You won't read the fucking thread.
2. You're pushing people FOR BULLSHIT REASONS. BOTH MYSELF AND VARSOON GET SORTED TOMORROW.
3. Your double vote is way too fucking dangerous for a scumfuck like yourself.

Tomorrow, we get to find out if your scumbuddy is Varsoon (unlikely, considering I'm townreading him) or someone else, depending on the result of the scan.
^^ This on the other hand feels like a townpost and a town ragequit. :/
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In post 1328, zMuffinMan wrote:victor, what are your actual reads? there's so much waffle in 1323 that i can't actually tell where you stand on certain people (e.g. i'm unsure what your actual read on RB is, and it looks like you have hanasawa as a scum read but she isn't in the three people you want to lynch today)
If you thought 1323 was waffley then just wait until I start producing proper walls :wink:

TNE is my top scumread, hence the vote. I would put Bitmap next, then notscience. Unless something major happens I won't be voting anyone else today and they can be town for now.
So here, all his scumreads are now known town. Which sometimes happens, but still. Bitmap had just claimed an investigative role and is next most scummy to him
In post 1424, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Interesting fenscesit on TNE, worth looking at after a flip.

I'll let you revise your stance after your reread to be fair.

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This post was in an exchange with NS. It has a bit of a foreknowledge feel to it.

Still not liking the day 2 victor posts after reading with more context.
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Post Post #2493 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 12:55 pm

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In post 1294, Bitmap wrote:GIF used a spellcard to save Sakura Hana. He's town.

Town: {GIF, Sakura Hana, pie, notscience}

notscience is town imo due to interactions from page 13.

I like pieguyn's argument on RB.

This is now up to pg 20.
These are phenomenal reads he did on catch up. All those townreads were town.
In post 1487, vezokpiraka wrote:Who vigged bitmap?
What made you think this was a vig shot and not an SK?
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Post Post #2494 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 12:56 pm

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No, that's what I'm saying--why are you SK hunting?
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Post Post #2495 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 1:06 pm

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In post 2494, Varsoon wrote:No, that's what I'm saying--why are you SK hunting?
Is this to kagami or me?
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Post Post #2496 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 1:24 pm

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Kgams.

Ffery, do you think Victor is scum? That seems to be were you're headed, but it's unclear to me.
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Post Post #2497 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 1:27 pm

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In post 2496, Varsoon wrote:Kgams.

Ffery, do you think Victor is scum? That seems to be were you're headed, but it's unclear to me.
Yeah. It's a very tenuous read atm, though. And I need to look at the bork/nacho and axxle?/magua slots.

When I did more catch up reading I got a stronger kagami town read, and noticed that gif was townreading her too.

Nobody claimed the 2nd night 1 kill, correct?
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Post Post #2498 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 1:46 pm

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I don't think bork/nacho could be scum, though I'm very curious why they didn't protect sakura last night.
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Post Post #2499 (ISO) » Tue May 13, 2014 1:55 pm

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Ferry, can you confirm that the spellcard "Wind God Hidden Among Tree Leaves" is a self-commute?

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