In post 1020, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1011, Aquanim wrote:Uh... the BBT wagon did get to L-1, if only briefly. Madonna put it there.
Do you think she was coming back? Were you? This is a silly conversation.
If there had been insufficient interest in a Belisarius lynch I was coming back. If there had been insufficint interest in a Belisarius or Tr1ckster lynch, I think Madonna would have come back.
In post 1011, Aquanim wrote:And no, you didn't get town a lynch and a flip. I got town a lynch and a flip, on someone I was happy to lynch, by pushing the Belisarius wagon. You didn't contribute to that wagon, you came in and hammered it at the end having put no work into it and not even being accountable for it, since it was Beli or a no-lynch at that point.
Ah, right, so at the stage it was Belli or no lynch...what are you saying I should have done? And who do you think was going to make the Belli thing happen if not I? ANd which is preferable, Belli or no lynch?
I'm not saying you shouldn't have hammered Belisarius. I'm saying I don't give you any town credit (nor a scumread) for it since I think you'd have done that whatever your alignment; and prior to that point, you did not exert any effort towards getting a "lynch and a flip".
As for who else would have made it happen? Madonna springs to mind, she was voting Beli before. But that's beside the point.
I did call Madonna town and was correct.
I did go through multiple shifts with her wherein I noted that she was becoming less town or that I supported a lynch on her.
I did express a "not calling her town" which you are apparently deciding equates to "calling her scum"
That's not what I said. I think a "not calling her town" attitude is kind of different to a "calling her town" attitude. Amd they're both different to a "calling her scum" attitude. That being said I have my answer to this question.
In post 1021, Thor665 wrote:
You have shown, and proven, that Thor is not fact checking himself.
That proves that all my answers are coming off the top of my head without fear.
Or that you're scum and you're not reading the thread or remembering what your professed attitude at certain points in the thread was. So that proves nothing.
You have shown I have gotten facts skewed.
You have not shown any issue with what I'm saying vs. what I was and am doing - indeed, those all line up perfectly.
Well, except for the parts that line up imperfectly. But if I decide you're scummy enough to be lynched it won't be because of those; it will be because I believe that your activity during the game, what cases you chose to push and when, reflect a scum mentality. Clarifying discrepancies between what you state in your defence and actual events is a necessary part for me in making that decision.
Also, Thor: Let me make something perfectly clear to you. If I was convinced you were the most likely person to roll scum this game, I'd be voting for you already. I'm not. I'm asking you questions like this because I don't understand why you would do and say some of these things as a townie; that being said, I'm prepared to consider the explanations you do make. But I do need those explanations to make that judgement.
I'm also doing this because, based on my knowledge of you as a player, nothing less than this would give me any basis on which to read you accurately at all, short of associative cases with flipped scum.
So - if I'm hurting your feelings by ensuring that you are held to only accurate statements, rather than whatever half- or mostly-truths you remember which are more consistent with your arguments, then I apologise; but if you're scum I won't let you win a game by defending yourself with only half-true arguments.
I'm not really interested at this point in debating what you think of my style and methods as a townie; save it for the postgame. In fact, I'm not really interested in discussing any of this last part - you asked what I'm doing and I've answered, but I don't think discussing it further gets anyone any closer to finding scum.
