Micro 333 -- Medical Mafia ~~Game Over~~

[Marquis]

VOTE: Ninja Trigger, for misspelling confirm during confirm stage.

I wasn't the only one to misspell confirm

scum

VOTE: Ninja Trigger

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:

wait fuck that's my slot

[Marquis]

thank god l-2

[Marquis]

Let's wagon VOTE: Chuck Norris #32 so forced

this post looks forced too jsyk

VOTE: notmafia as i read

[Marquis]

saturnine
and

Cooldog

stop lurking

-ZZZX part of ZZZX (is there another part? naaah but its cool to type that like )

this feels scummy

Such spam, keep it up and I might have to move my vote. :3

Hurr DUrr I just caught scum here

IT WAS

Spoiler:

Mafia goons

who are scum ALL ALONG! I AM SURE 100%

GO LYNCH

this feels towny

[Marquis]

i'll give zzzx the benefit of the doubt. his playstyle is ~hmmm~ this awkward usually as town

[Marquis]

for clarification zzzx is town imo

[Marquis]

Because I wanted to make the Married to the Mod joke (Rach is engaged to Nobody Special), you're looking too hard for tells in random RVS joking. Instead of just dismissing my vote as OMGUS, you could actually respond to me and ZZZX.

nm's posts make me want to call him a hypocrite

like he's criticizing chuck for the rvs analysis

but his reasoning for voting chuck is pretty weak and it sounds like a sketchy deflection

[Marquis]

VOTE: notmafia

[Marquis]

oh wait i already voted him

[Marquis]

lol

[Marquis]

doublevoter doctor imo

[Marquis]

oh i guess i just c

[Marquis]

erp finishing

"oh i guess i just c" + laimed so yeah i'll make it official I AM A DOCTOR hi.

[Marquis]

we should lynch notmafia today

[Marquis]

granted i haven't read pages 4 - most of 7 but yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i'm town <3

[Marquis]

I had a feeling that was the point of his RVS votes, guys n gals. He played in a Newbie game recently modded by NS and it came out that we are engaged. We do not play in the same games unless as our hydra of Twin Flames, but if one of is playing and the other is modding that works out fine.

So now that is cleared up, does anyone have anything of a case besides his RVS vote?


He is at L-1, BTW. And I think it is a tad early for a lynch we have had hardly any discussion.

I have played Medical Mafia a couple of times or so and can provide some links to my games if anyone is interested.

willing to provide meta refs

being rly chill and friendly

I do understand that Ninja is fairly new, but someone putting someone at L-1 with a naked vote and no reasoning this soon on D 1 makes me very nervous

Just because someone is new does not mean they are town.

VOTE: Ninja


Why the naked vote?

rach seems totally in her element which happens more often as town for her

yeah i like this

[Marquis]

town: marq, zzzx, rach

scum: notmafia

VOTE: notmafia

triplevoting lgi

others to be sorted brb

[Marquis]

Please stop spamming.

does it make you uncomfortable

are you uncomfortable with me being town with good townreads

hm

i think you are scummish maybe~~

[Marquis]

ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy nicki u conquered the page

[Marquis]

VOTE: Not mafia

actually do not like this vote. opportunistic, and yeah u might say "but scum always give a reason to avoid this" but wifomish and like. yeah this strikes me as off with its placement in the thread anyway hours after posts and the vc and like it's just icky opportunistic

that being said the notmafia vote is good too

[Marquis]

I could care less if you were conftown at this point. I'm about ready to hunt you down IRL and beat you up with a shovel.

"I could care less if you were conftown at this point"

the tone suggests you think i am town

good job if you are also town

if you are scum you should say i am town again just to make it clearer to the town that you know i am town

[Marquis]

So what did you think of Chuck's post?

*shrug* I don't see anything that is particularly worrying.

the aloofness is more awkward with the shrug than without. forced imo

I do understand that Ninja is fairly new, but someone putting someone at L-1 with a naked vote and no reasoning this soon on D 1 makes me very nervous

Just because someone is new does not mean they are town.

VOTE: Ninja


Why the naked vote?

Why? If someone hammers we have a dramatically reduced lynch pool to deal with. We know scum will be on the wagon.

ew this is a gross oversimplification of the risk/reward

VOTE: Not mafia

I am not sure how to feel about this, I am sure you are experianced enough to know that what you are doing is bad.

yeah, because NS didn't count my goddamn vote. Read the fucking game before making posts. It helps... occasionally.

OMG SCUM ANGRY AT BEING CAUGHT FOR THE WRONG REASONS!! yeah no but seriously ping ping ping. off. strikes me as scum because the attitude also seems forced jumping from aloof to collected-wise-aloof to i-say-mean-things-at-you

UNVOTE:

VOTE: cooldog

[Marquis]

Feel pretty good about ZZZK too he can go in my town pile.

Cool yes we want a lynch before deadline, BUT we are barely into discussion phase helping peeps figure out who is town and who is scum why would you want a lynch now?

RACH YOU AGREE WITH MY TOWNBLOCK THAT IS WONDERFUL

[Marquis]

ok while i think that chuck's case on cooldog was as sketchy as mine i do like the method of attack and i think it comes from a town perspective

town: marq / rach / zzzx / chuck

scum???: cooldog / notmafia

nullscum???????????: the blue guy who posted last page and has a shovel

[Marquis]

@CoolDog
I'm still not understanding you. In post 124 you say that scum will most definitely be on a quick lynch. No qualifiers. But now in post 125 you claim that scum don't like fast early lynches. You claim scum don't like fast early lynches because it is highly unlikely the quick lynch target will be Town. If a fast early lynch is on scum, why would scum already be on the wagon? That makes no sense to me. I understand busing. I know how it works. But I don't see why a fast early lynch in any way points to an absolute certainty that busing is involved. In fact, in the scenario where a fast early lynch results in a scum flip I would be far more interested in looking at the people who were not on the scum wagon. Do you disagree?

specifically i think this post is very town. he's sticking to his points and asks for clarification, and it doesn't sound like he's scum tunneling for the sake of it.

in other words he's holding onto the line of questioning because he seems to want to, rather than because he feels like he needs to, as scum would to maintain consistency

[Marquis]

No. I'm done with your shit. Nobody has posted except you and me for the longest time.

[Marquis]

Ven there are no post restrictions in Medical Mafia

So could you please post something other than pictures, please and thank you.

rach i love you and you're town but personally i found venmar's posts quite amusing and telling

telling in that he's a cool dude. bro. dudebro. texas. bro.

[Marquis]

wait wait wait

venmar + yates = bear-claw hydra???????????????/

why did yates post

wtf

[Marquis]

Hi guys! I read through the game already. Anyone care to explain why there's a seemingly big agreement on ZZZX being town? I just don't see it. :/

Oh hey Rach.

As for my vote, I can't decide between three people though I have 3 pegged as scum and 1 as likely scum.... grr. I feel like I may have too many scum picked out, no?

I guess I'll go with my greatest scum read / the greatest one with a vote.

VOTE: Tn5421

Stop picking on my town reads. Brat.

ok hahahahahahahahahahaha

you're reading zzzx as null or scum or anything other than town?

this makes me want to establish my zzzx townread as confirmable almost

sorry neil nothing personal just you had really off reads in mean girls mafia on players with styles similar to zzzx. mainly me and kat iirc.

but yeah i keep thinking you're reading people incorrectly and stubbornly. that game really affected my metareads and view in general on read direction. it also kinda makes me want to townread the tn guy and strengthen by cooldog scumread

not too sure on your alignment though. it feels a bit more refined from what i can remember of mean girls, but simultaneously that makes it read awkwardly to me. and that's like a scummy thing bringing my read of you down to scum, but again i don't want to feel like i'm just confbiasing because it's you. or something.

basically um

town: me / rach (comfortable) / zzzx (activity driver and meta) / chuck (i like his cooldog posts)

scum: cooldog (just forced interactions imo and tonal inconsistency and in general i don't like the quote responses he's making) / notmafia (some reason, i got distracted by cooldog's post but iirc this was because hypocrisy maybe??)

nullish: all else

[Marquis]

i make townreads easier than scumreads

go ahead and vote me for it

[Marquis]

I did facepalm at the Amished tell you did right away though

I know I legit didn't remember that I had replaced him and it looked scummy af. Then I realized it'd be interpreted as an Ambushed tell which sucks now. But whatever I'm still town

I guess i could say that I always ISO my predecessor as scum so I know who they are? Which is true but you're not obligated to believe me but it's only logical that I should know who they were as scum

PEDIT wow ok sorry brah

[Marquis]

Jsyk it's not like I was intentionally spamming just to bother you. It's called stream of consciousness and I was doing it so you could better gauge my reactions to everything I was reading in real time- each thought has a timestamp so the thought progression is more linear

[Marquis]

Amished tell* auto correct blah

[Marquis]

except it applies to zzzx and he's town for his behavior and "bad" defense

as scum, he'd be much more likely to just avoid or ignore the discussion

[Marquis]

Marquis is usually not that much of a poster in a game that is why it surprised me, not sure if it qualifies as a scum tell though. bah and I had such a nice scum read on Ninja

[Marquis]

People replace out for silly reasons eh.

Anyway Back on topic. Marq is posting alot which can appear scummy and townie in the same time. I am not sure but It gives are more content to read but I still smell active lurking possibly? I dont know for sure

the above is the most wishy washy post in the game thus far.

@ZZZX
Are you accusing Marquis of active lurking? I thought it was her voluminous posting that caused tn to replace out. That seems like the opposite of active lurking.

Not directly active lurking but... too much posting to an extent of that many of her posts contain nothing. All her posts could be grouped by one meduim sized post

ohh so it isn't actually happening, but it is indirectly happening by the person who must be directly controling their posts. I do not understand your post or point at all.

vote: zzzx

I don't like your point of attack on ZZZX, and why it's only happening now if you're suddenly thinking he's scum for being "wishy washy". That's like, the entirety of his ISO.

The second post you quoted there- it's clear ZZZX

does

have a point to make, just isn't very good at getting it out (there's a clear language barrier there). Your "summary" of that post is either taking it completely out of context, or blatantly twisting or misrepresenting the intent behind it, or whatever, but what you seem to say is his point doesn't even sound like it has any relation at all to what he actually said. It just looks like you gave that aforementioned summary to purposefully make it appear like ZZZX was saying something scum would say, rather than simply being confusing/illogical.

And even if you were just not understanding his point, how does that even qualify a vote for him? Even if you added on what you said about him being wishy washy, I don't get any sense of progession in a scumread here. The potential reasoning behind this that comes to mind is you as scum trying to dampen what feels like a universal townread on ZZZX.

[Marquis]

I still think we should just finish TN and get it over with. The last few responses are extremely over-dramatic and it seems like purposefully loud. Like TN was trying to get attention to make people think it was real frustration because of personal reasons rather than because TN really is scum

caught for the wrong reasons

. Fortunately, myself and a few others I'm sure can see right through the fake frustration and see TN for what it's worth. My vote stays. And your vote (the reader) should come over if it hasn't yet.

I dont mind your vote but I dont feel your reasoning thou.

Are you implying that there could be a case where you could feel his reasoning? This sounds a lot like

caught for wrong reasons

.

I was first to use this phrase in the thread (201) but that's irrelevant since part of my likely unread SoC series-

So neil used it referring it to tn, and BearClaw used it referring to ZZZX. BearClaw's post and the repetition of the phrase are both a bit unsettling.

First, their attempt to draw an implication out of ZZZX's post is a huge stretch; ZZZX just basically meant "sure you can vote me but give a good reason", and trying to extrapolate to "caught for the wrong reasons" from that is, like. No. It's kind of ridiculous to treat the post as if it were a scumslip.

Second, it's to the point where "caught for the wrong reasons" just sounds like a buzz[word]phrase now, almost like it was thrown out there because it makes him sound scummier. He isn't scummier, or scum for that matter.

[Marquis]

I'm saying that I think it's possible that BearClaw read you using that phrase, and used it as well because you having said it put it into their head. Unlike your usage which looked like a legitimate accusation, it looks like BearClaw just inserted the phrase there like a buzzword- something said just to garner a reaction, or because it sounds more serious. For example, when as scum you want to attack someone, but you can't find footing for it, you throw out words that make your target look worse than they actually are.

Basically, it just looks unoriginal and out of place in the "argument".

[Marquis]

Like struggling to find a reason after finding a target, and that already-used phrase came to mind first.

[Marquis]

except it applies to zzzx and he's town for his behavior and "bad" defense

as scum, he'd be much more likely to just avoid or ignore the discussion

this is exactly why meta is bullshit. It makes it permisable to defend scum and get away with it. No, being scummy will never mean someone is town ever. Period.

Except he's

not

being scummy, and it's not just a meta read. Part of it is me knowing that there's a language barrier which makes his word and phrasing choices sound initially awkward or off-putting, and knowing in the past that it's made people question his wording in similar ways.

Once you get past that, you can see he's consistently active and not lurking, pushing for activity and discussion/read elaboration, and completely engaged in putting his own reads out there. There is nothing scummy about that, and the lack of hesitancy and his openness make him obvtown.

So get over not liking the way he made you all confused (not! even! a! scum! tell!) and move on, because you're not lynching him.

[Marquis]

I don't like the tn/sns lynch, for the record.

I do like the idea of a BearClaw lynch, if there's any other support.

[Marquis]

It's more by PoE. I have townreads on me, Rach, ZZZX, and tn/sns, and I'm liking NotMaf's recent posting a lot more. That leaves cooldog, neil, jk, and Bear. Cooldog I think is scum already but it feels a bit too easy, my reads on Neil usually get murky because I can never decide if he's scum or i don't like his posts (I usually never do), chuck/jk I had a mild townread on but now it's nulltown, and as for bear completely null except for how I didnt like their attack on zzzx, which now that I think about it probably means nullscum.

Will elaborate more when not on phone but for sns, can you actually explain your reads instead of creating a big imposing list especially since they're like almost opposite of mine? I particularly want top know how you narrowed scum down to rach and I and why you're voting rach over me, when I'm the larger wagon. Also is it even likely that our slots are scumbuddies factoring in the day 1 vote patterns or would you prefer to go the mislynch one, other must be scum (except actually another mislynch) route?

[Marquis]

Might have to retract my townread on tn sns slot, will post after finals and flight bye

[Marquis]

Sorry, finals and moving got hectic. Will read up later.

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Saki

For the slot. I'm starting to have second thoughts on cooldog thinking about how he's been at least pushing discussion like ZZZX, even if I don't like it.

Still haven't read the most recent pages; give me a bit. Busier now.

[Marquis]

marquis conftown rach town zzzx town neil nulltown notmafia nulltown jklash null sns null saki nullscum cooldog nullscum

[Marquis]

marquis conftown

rach town
zzzx town

neil nulltown
notmafia nulltown

jklash null
sns null

saki nullscum
cooldog nullscum

[Marquis]

sns town again, bad argument good effort / motivation

[Marquis]

/ activity

[Marquis]

lynch between saki cooldog jklash

warning to all that notmafia has an irritating tendency to look town regardless of his alignment

[Marquis]

he may look town but im not sure yet if he feels town to me

[Marquis]

Neil is bad reads good effort like sns but to a lesser extent. for the sake of narrowing down lynch choices i'll allow him to be town. for today

[Marquis]

and for the sake of curbing apathy i actually want to get a lynch within the next 24 hours

UNVOTE:
VOTE: cooldog

back to this, time for night please

[Marquis]

I put him back on L-1.

[Marquis]

So you think Saki is town?

[Marquis]

bad idea

i'd rather leave mafia guessing as to who our vig/cpr doc is if they're still alive, and claiming our actions will only help mafia try to lead certain players' actions in the wrong direction and help them remove their biggest threat actionwise.

though this is technically mylo, with the huge potential for multiple deaths tonight i would much rather lynch today

my ideas on that up next

[Marquis]

Saki, jklash12, Marquis, Not_Mafia, snscompt1, ZZZX

marquis town
zzzx town

Saki, jklash12, Not_Mafia, snscompt1

out of you four

while i will temporarily give nm a townread, i'm still suspicious because i've mistrusted him as scum before.

jklash and sns are nullish for me

*slaps forehead* GAH! I kinda forgot CoolDog was the one that basically claimed nurse. Well shit.

this is so over the top i can't even tell if it's fake as scum or fake as town which sucks

i really think the best lynch today, though is saki

VOTE: saki

i've generally just been getting scumvibes off of him and his activity being ok elsewhere but not here is meh. regardless this isn't a slot i want to keep going into the next day if we make it that far

[Marquis]

yo?

[Marquis]

i trust that everyone knows what their best choice for the night is anyway zzzx.

i would much rather lynch saki than sns. saki's blatantly obvscum and "i'm not changing my read" wording at a point suggests a certain nontown perspective. like it's not even an actual read just something he's obligated to stick to. because scum. he is scum.

[Marquis]

i actually am ok with the plan tbh when actually reading it, or at least the "if you can't kill then target nm"

the problem i have is the scenario of nm being a vig/cpr and being jailkept; nm should just be able to claim otherwise if necessary though, i think.

actually if nm is mafia then this might force his partner to make the kill instead.

the plan certainly has a lot of holes in it but i appreciate the thought put into it and in general it's a good idea.

[Marquis]

the only claim i want to hear is the nurse claim if it's brought to L-1.

i already fucking said don't claim your night actions because mafia will benefit the most from that.

consider this day as lylo almost; we have to lynch scum because it's not guaranteed that our vig/cpr are even alive

it's between sns and saki for now

i will do isos later but it's hard without a scumflip to work off of :/

[Marquis]

part of me is feeling sns-scum after this page. i'll have to check if there's any meta i can work off of for him

[Marquis]

jfc sns you're all over the place with this claiming and plan thing

[Marquis]

DON'T claim actions it won't help

no we won't know how to protect each other because we don't know which roles have been eliminated. barely any of the doctors just protect. others protect only in certain scenarios.

if your ego is big enough that you think you'll be able to divine the exact nature of the setup at this time,
with 3 town roles dead in a partial flip,
and 2 out of the 6 players lying to confuse the town
(no we probably won't be able to catch scum in a lie, because this isn't dethy and there are more than just 4 possible versions of the main town role)
then............ just stop. we're not claiming

however

i am going to ask that nurse claims RIGHT NOW if they are still alive. the main reason for this is so that mafia can't use the lack of claim now to claim the role when they think nurse has died.

(hint: if you live to tomorrow and i see a new nurse claim, i will treat it as a scum fakeclaim. no exceptions)

[Marquis]

i'm going to refrain from commenting on saki/sns until jackal posts something of relevance, but i will say that i'm not feeling any happy feelings toward sns' slot at this moment

[Marquis]

no no no no wait

i'm seeing a saki - jackal scumteam right now

[Marquis]

THE REASON I DIDN'T WANT TO CLAIM WAS ALSO BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY EASY FOR SCUM TO SAY "NO BUT I CAN KILL, DON'T LYNCH ME"

[Marquis]

ugh caps lock was not intended sorry

nvm about that because maybe scum would have done that too at l-1 like sns is doing. but i can't tell

[Marquis]

So. Many. Replacements. The most I've seen in a Normal-sized (13 or less players) non-newbie game in my Mafia career.

I find a good portion of this game to be of little use in forming reads, such as the "should we claim" and other discussion that's taken up most of the past 4 pages.

The only firm read I have atm is that SNS is scummy as fuck.

Seriously why is he not lynched yet?

Points:
Was the hammer vote on CoolDog
Was the main one pushing for a wagon on Rach, who flipped town.
Later (during current day)

calls out and votes Saki basically for having defended Rach

sns-saki is most likely the scum team.

I'll support either wagon but I think sns should die first.

VOTE: snscompt1
This is L-1.

the tone here kind of reeks of softbussing; i feel like i've seen this happen too often before

scum: "i think [town player] and [scum player] are scum, but let's get [town player] first"

i'm not saying that's exactly why i read him as scummy though, because that's more like a scenario i

could

see happening.

rather, i'm reading jackal's post and jackal consequently as horribly scummy because it's a bunch of points against sns, and sure he votes for sns.

but then he says that he has sns

and saki

as scum- there's nothing behind his read on saki. it looks mostly just appeasing to the idea of saki-scum at that point.

[Marquis]

zzzx i really think you should unvote.

[Marquis]

to clarify

i'm seeing jackal as scum because while he

says

he sees sns and saki both as scum at this point, he doesn't even bother to make any points at all against saki. the "saki is scum" line from him comes out of nowhere, and to me it looks like a typical mylo/lylo scumplay, where as long as you get the initial mislynch you don't have to worry about making a case on/pushing a lynch on an actual scumpartner.

basically his progression of thought doesn't look genuine at all.

right now i'm debating whether to vote jackal over saki or not though because i'm still paranoid of notmafia..

[Marquis]

notmafia, vote jackal with me. be serious about this

i am fairly sure the jackal slot is scum regardless of a partner

UNVOTE:
VOTE: jackal

yeah yeah yeah also replacement is null sure, but newbie scum statistically replace out much more often than newbie town

[Marquis]

sns i absolutely hate your trying-too-hard-to-be-cute tone jsyk (601 among others)

i would call you scummy as hell for that alone if i could get over the horrifying paranoia that you're really just like that in real life. sorry.

[Marquis]

zzzx i really don't care. vote jackal.

[Marquis]

we've already decided, in my opinion. and by we i mean you and me.

zzzx i'll humor you: why is he is a mislynch, and why am i more likely to be scum? because i'm being pushy to try to move on with the game?

[Marquis]

jklash's play was too similar to sns's to be the same faction

elaborate: similar as in reads, thoughts on the game, playstyle?

[Marquis]

how is that indicative of anything

[Marquis]

no

[Marquis]

don't exactly see a sns-jackal scumteam so I'm not voting jackal

i understand you read sns as scum but gun to your head name the partner

(then gun to your head vote jackal)

[Marquis]

sns, just vote saki again.

or vote jackal. seriously

[Marquis]

i want to see you at least tie your vote to -one- of the wagons

[Marquis]

leaning scum on not mafia. vibes. no tangible reason

[Marquis]

are you fucking kidding me

just help end the day not mafia can wait for a vig to kill him or something

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: saki

end the day.

[Marquis]

your avatar is broken to me

[Marquis]

zzzx being on what is practically v/la for a while isn't going to help me here. i need to bounce things off of him.

[Marquis]

I pushed the lynch away from the easiest SNS lynch ever and onto Saki.

The answer is obvious if this doesn't end the game. Don't touch me.

VOTE: Jackal

[Marquis]

sorry i forgot to say this earlier but thank you nobody special for modding and dealing with so many replacements!

and good job to both town and scum, we almost lost there in the end~

[Marquis]

boo u :c

[Marquis]

i really do prefer multiple posts to a wall that will most often just be ignored

but i will admit that i went overboard this game.

i stand by the idea that ~5 posts in a row are better than a quote strip wall at least in terms of showing reading and thought progression