Touhou UPick 2 - [Game Over]

[Varsoon]

My card only affects people who have frozen votes.

[fferyllt]

And you think that scum are more likely to vote for a frozen player?

[Magua]

*checks watch*

No, guys, you've still got plenty of time. Be sure not to strain yourself taking stances or actually commenting on Victor's complete lack of being quicklynched until there's only 8 or so hours left in the Day.

[Varsoon]

I think that scum are more likely to vote town.

[fferyllt]

*checks watch*

No, guys, you've still got plenty of time. Be sure not to strain yourself taking stances or actually commenting on Victor's complete lack of being quicklynched until there's only 8 or so hours left in the Day.

That's the sum total of your analysis of how their abilities interact?

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
Vote kagami

Ffery why are posting stuff without reading the thread?

[Magua]

No, the sum total of my analysis is that if Victor is town, it is impossible to lynch groupscum today (with my vote on him, that's only 3 other Town vote + SK vote).

Victor continues to ignore this, 'cause he's scum, from yesterday continuing through today. Me voting Victor was quite literally a 1v1, and all the bullshit about "Well what about Kagami" is so much noise to the signal.

In regards to being able to stop people with a frozen vote from playing spellcards, well, how to phrase this? Woop de shit. Victor's used a spellcard that, unless he's lying and Varsoon's not correcting him, turned off their Neighborhood for N3. What's the scum motivation in that? Or town motivation? There isn't one for either alignment to ever use that power, ever, and yet the power exists and Victor used it. I'm imagining that there are quite a few spellcards that have weird effects (eg Kagami's Boo). That doesn't make them Town, regardless of what Varsoon wants to think. The whole "This would be negative utility if Victor was scum" line of thinking is bad.

That's my analysis.

[VictorDeAngelo]

*checks watch*

No, guys, you've still got plenty of time. Be sure not to strain yourself taking stances or actually commenting on Victor's complete lack of being quicklynched until there's only 8 or so hours left in the Day.

Why would I be quicklynched? Even in the incredible unlikely event that there are two non scum votes on me the scum would be reluctant to quickhammer in case they give themselves away to the SK. Not much more to say.

No, the sum total of my analysis is that if Victor is town, it is impossible to lynch groupscum today (with my vote on him, that's only 3 other Town vote + SK vote).

Unless a scum busses and given the situation I would expect it.

Victor continues to ignore this, 'cause he's scum, from yesterday continuing through today. Me voting Victor was quite literally a 1v1, and all the bullshit about "Well what about Kagami" is so much noise to the signal.

If it was a real 1v1 they wouldn't be a Kagami wagon would there.

In regards to being able to stop people with a frozen vote from playing spellcards, well, how to phrase this? Woop de shit. Victor's used a spellcard that, unless he's lying and Varsoon's not correcting him, turned off their Neighborhood for N3. What's the scum motivation in that? Or town motivation? There isn't one for either alignment to ever use that power, ever, and yet the power exists and Victor used it. I'm imagining that there are quite a few spellcards that have weird effects (eg Kagami's Boo). That doesn't make them Town, regardless of what Varsoon wants to think. The whole "This would be negative utility if Victor was scum" line of thinking is bad.

They could be a few reasons why it exists but the reality is that's what it did. Without full claims off a number of roles it'll be tough to crack the setup.

The point Varsoon made related to his spellcard which as he says, risks punishing town for voting scum if I wasn't town.

[zMuffinMan]

prod dodge. couldn't get on site earlier. reading in a bit

[zMuffinMan]

PROD DODGE AGAIN

[Magua]

Jesus H. Christ, Muffin, you last posted six days ago and you only come back with a prod dodge? VOTE: z...

I'd forgotten how sad vezok voting Kagami had made me.

[fferyllt]

Back-ish. Will post substantively sometime in the next 10-12 hours.

[Varsoon]

And we're back.

[zMuffinMan]

will get to this after sleep

[vezokpiraka]

I'm here.
We still need to lynch magua.

[fferyllt]

unvote
Vote kagami

Ffery why are posting stuff without reading the thread?

I am reading the thread. I'm mostly trying to confirm my understanding here and there, which looks inattentive to you?

I'm here.
We still need to lynch magua.

Then why are you voting kagami?

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 3.7

VictorDeAngelo [2] -

Magua

,

Kagami

Kagami [3] - Varsoon, VictorDeAngelo, vezokpiraka

Not Voting [3]

- zMuffinMan fferyllt Nachomamma8

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

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Deadline is May 31, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-05-31 13:00:00)

[FakeGod]

Deadline has been extended.

[vezokpiraka]

Cause wagon.
There are more votes on kagami than magua and both are scum.

ffery vote for kagami please.

[Magua]

Spoiler:

[Kagami]

Cause wagon.
There are more votes on kagami than magua and both are scum.

ffery vote for kagami please.

I think you have a line of communication with Victor that he is using to deceive you.

[fferyllt]

Cause wagon.
There are more votes on kagami than magua and both are scum.

ffery vote for kagami please.

What did you make of the posts starting at around 2781 continuing through the next couple of pages?

[vezokpiraka]

Cause wagon.
There are more votes on kagami than magua and both are scum.

ffery vote for kagami please.

What did you make of the posts starting at around 2781 continuing through the next couple of pages?

That kagami tries to get townie points for talking about his abilities.

Please ffery why do you want to prolong this day?
As town we have nearly no chance of winning if it's 4-3-1. We have to lynch scum and then hope for good NKs then lynch scum again and hope for crosskilling if the first night NKs weren't good.

Do you seriously believe kagami and magua aren't scum together and are both town and voting for victor?

[vezokpiraka]

Think of it this way.

Me and varsoon are confirmed town. We can't do anything if varsoon is actually a godfather so that is out of the question.
Zmuffin is pretty much town or SK. If he is scum then I commend him for his play. He put so much effort into the game that I'd let him win.
What we are left with is victor, you, nacho, kagami and magua.

If the scum is you, nacho, victor then a vote for kagami or magua is in your interest.
We can pretty much agree the scumteam is not kagami, victor or magua,victor.
The only corner case is if the scum team is you, nacho and one of kagami or magua.

If this is the case then vote for the other one.

[fferyllt]

vezok, I'm far from sure kagami is scum. I think nacho's line of thought about her ability made sense.

I am going to vote magua today most likely.