MS Fantasy Camp 2: Reaper's Tale! (Finished!)

[Shadoweh]

Please add at least another day because it takes fucking malarky to be able to post today because of cookies or something?
I AM NOT READING THIS GAME TONIGHT DOES ANYONE REMEMBER WHO WAS PLAYING

[Flipping Awesome]

Shadoweh
chamber
Plum
Venmar
Untrod Tripod
Flipping Awesome
xRECKONERx

Alright, assuming 2-3 scum left they're solidly in this group.

Cerulean is town because of the hammer in the last day. I mean, potentially gambitting for town cred but like, that feels weird and bad to me in that situation.
NS is town for his vote on that wagon and how he played the end of Day 2.
Tim Howard is staying in a town book right now because the people he can be scum with just aren't scum.
Zdenek is pretty solidly town, with his voting patterns and how he's held himself this game.
Nero Cain is town. Just cause.

So there's the 7 above us. I'll be damned if Shadoweh is scum, just based on things I've seen.

The other 6, I'm having a hard time. I feel like Plum and Reckoner and Chamber are town but that leaves Venmar and UT and Flipping Awesome and that feels supremely weird too.

I have to wonder if my paranoia about chamber wasn't wrong and I maybe dropped that pressure too early.

Plum is another person I'm having @_@ feelings about but she still feels strongly town for me.

Honestly, if you went for like,

one of Venmar/UT (UT is the right answer here but I'm totally falliable in this game cause I've been so removed for so long)
Flipping Awesome
And like, either one of Chamber/Plum (OR I'm really wrong about someone who I feel super town on, and they'd be moved into this slot.

I feel like that might win the game? I'm just not as certain as I should be at this point in a game cause I'm so out of loop.

I need people to work with me on this, cause my brain works on weird backwards logic that works in my head but when I try to put into words fails to get my points across.

Your scumreads consist of us and the players we are townreading with varying degrees of certainty. UT is one of my stronger townreads, Chamber an even stronger one, and Plum who a weaker townread. Venmar is probably the only one that I think could be scum.

While I agree that NS is probably town for his vote on the Kanye wagon, why isn't Plum a townread as well by similar logic? Her vote definitely swayed the direction of the lynch toward Kanye.

Can you elaborate on your townread on Shadoweh?

[Flipping Awesome]

Also, just to let everyone know, Penguin's been busy irl and it is very likely that most or all posts from now on will be just me.

[Plum]

The vote was to apply pressure, mostly. I wanted to get myself back in the game and out of apathy land. Didn't exactly work, but hey! I'm here now.

Why Nero though?

[Flipping Awesome]

Also, just to let everyone know, Penguin's been busy irl and it is very likely that most or all posts from now on will be just me.

Mod, I will be V/LA for a week (through 6/4) due to personal issues. I apologize to you and the players; F-16 has my blessing to kick me out of the hydra and go solo should he choose, given the length of the V/LA.

[Flipping Awesome]

Re: UT, I can maybe see why you'd disagree with me about UT being a Kanye buddy since it is based on a foundation of what I think UT would do as scum. I guess it is debatable whether he would forget a scumbuddy. However, I do think that Kanye's stance on the declining UT wagon saying that the votes there are fucking stupid points pretty strongly to UT-town and I think UT is playing to his town-meta independently of whether or not he could be a Kanye buddy so I'd be pretty surprised if he was scum here. I'll admit though that of the people in the extremely unlikely category, UT was the one I was most waffling on and least sure about. Particularly the end of day vote on Nero Cain bugged me. But then I remembered what Tammy said about UT being prone to logical leaps as town that gets him suspected and then it started making a little more sense.

I fell asleep in the middle of reading your associative wall and am getting ready to head to work, but real quick a case in point about the logical leaps. In yoloville, ut replaced in and had a gut scum read on ces but at some point decided something that had been said was a pretty clear indication of shadoweh scum who then was wagoned pretty strongly. But then near deadline he jumped off because of his gut read on ces and when I tried to figure out why and cited that claim of reasons for a stronger evidence of shadoweh being scum, he just argued with me about what the word evidence should mean in a mafia game. To me it didn't make sense at all and we ended up mislynching him instead :/. (I'm going off memory here, I'm pretty sure it was shadoweh though).

Just read though those pages and I think I have a better grasp of UT's approach to wagons. I think UT doesn't place a lot of importance on relative reads, i.e. his reads on one player is unlikely to influence his reads on others (like Shadoweh vs CES/the wagon on Benmage being a ruse) so his choice of Nero Cain over Kanye makes sense and that eliminates my niggles about him so I am pretty much banking the game on five players being town right now.

Can you elaborate on your townread on Reck?

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 3, VC 9

Lady Lambdadelta - (4)

chamber, Untrod Tripod, Tim Howard, xRECKONERx

Venmar - (4)

Cerulean,

Nero Cain

, Plum, Nobody Special

Untrod Tripod - (2)

Venmar, Lady Lambdadelta

Not voting - (3):

Flipping Awesome, Shadoweh, Zdenek

With

13

alive it takes

7

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:

3rd of June at 2:15am

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-06-02 21:15:00)

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Venmar will be lynched with 6 votes this day phase.

[Untrod Tripod]

prod dodge lol

[Untrod Tripod]

but seriously my thoughts haven't really changed since the last time I read the game

[xRECKONERx]

idk what's goin on here guys

[Venmar]

i thought the downtime was me getting lynched and the site just dying from that outrage

looks like im alive though, so thats a plus

[Cerulean]

Hello, I am present!

[Nobody Special]

Checking in.

[Cerulean]

Tammy head checking in.

I'm sick as hell, be back tomorrow.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

checking in

[Flipping Awesome]

Posting this here for reference. Going to get through most of these in a bit. If there are any other games that would be interesting to look at, feel free to make suggestions. Also, Nexus/Quadz, links to your past games would be awesome.

Spoiler: Links to past meta

1) LLD

TOWN: Mini 1531: Mafia Pinnipedum, Mini 1538: Powerful Wizards
SCUM: Scummies Invitational 2012

2) Venmar

TOWN: Micro 260: The X-Men, Mini 1526: OC Remix, Xenosaga Mafia
SCUM: Micro 53: Minimalist Mafia, Mini 1442: House of Cards, Mini 1539: UDesign

2) xReckonerx

TOWN: The Reckoning III, Fall Of Gondolin
SCUM: The Red Wedding

3) Nexus

TOWN: The Red Wedding, Mafiastuck, UK Scummer's
SCUM:

4) Quadz

TOWN:
SCUM: A uPick of Ice and Fire

5) Shadoweh

TOWN: /in-vitational 12: Mafia in #yoloville, A uPick of Ice and Fire
SCUM: Mini 1489: VisCon: Murder in Wingate Mansion, The Fall of Gondolin

6) Plum

TOWN: Mini 1537: Attack on Titan, Mini 1538: Powerful Wizards, Mini 1531: Mafia Pinnipedum
SCUM: Mini 1501: We're on a Boat, POWERFUL WIZARD MAFIA, Open 298: Follow the Cop, Might of Mordor

Spoiler: Kanye Scum games

Kanyeknowsbest Scum Meta Overview

1) Scummies Invitational 2012

2) Mini 1531: Mafia Pinnipedum

3) Mini 1541: Artificial Reality

4) Mini 1538: Powerful Wizards

5) Micro 83: The Room

6) Micro 12: Chain of Command

[Zdenek]

Hello, will be back later today.

[Tim Howard]

World Cup preparations are under way, but we're here.

We need to chat, though.

[Nero Cain]

prod, gonna catchup tomorrow.

[Zdenek]

Vote: LLD

[Tammy]

I'm still sicker than crap, so I might not get to this tomorrow. WE'll see how I feel after a nap though!

I saw you asked me a question about Reck though falcon, I'll respond to that later.

[Cerulean]

I'm still sicker than crap, so I might not get to this tomorrow. WE'll see how I feel after a nap though!

I saw you asked me a question about Reck though falcon, I'll respond to that later.

so I logged out of tammy to log into cerulean and logged back in as tammy.

medicine fog durrrrr

[xRECKONERx]

hey you should all listen to my radio show tonight FREE FUCKIN ADVERTISING F YEAH

http://www.mixlr.com/reckonerX

[Cerulean]

Can you elaborate on your townread on Reck?

My frame of reference for Reck!scum is Red Wedding, where we were partners, and Team Mafia 2012. In both of these games he played up the too busy/apathetic to be scum game and people gave him a pass for doing stuff like lolhammering because scum would be more careful, I guess? I thought he was scum at first playing up that angle again, but there's a string of posts starting at Post 407 that I liked. I just really liked how natural that post sounded. It's not the strongest read in the world, and he's definitely not as obvtown as he was in Baltomeet or even scummies invitational, but he also sounds nothing like my partner from Red Wedding. It's the barometer I used in the Reckoning and even though I faltered there and almost gave in to my other head and UT, it still held pretty true. I want to reread yesterday and how the lynch went down but he could have hammered kanye for potential town cred instead of yelling at me to choose one though.

I need to finish reading through your associative walls and respond to anything. That's definitely not happening tonight as I'm going back to bed. Also, Nexus was not town in Mafiastuck and I don't know how much you'll learn from that game either. He was hydraing with Faraday, and I'm pretty certain a chunk of the posts that claim to be Nexus are actually Faraday pretending to be Nexus. (That's an educated guess, not a fact though.)

I had something else to say and I can't remember what it was. Myabe later.

[Flipping Awesome]

Are you talking about this game as Team Mafia 2012? Reck isn't in it.