Mini 1578: Lord of the Rings!! - GaME OVeR

[Protogonos]

Reinoe, to be fair, Frodo Baggins is not necessarily in the game. A common mod practice (and how I run my theme games) is to have more characters than necessary and randomize those that are selected. This means there is no way to break the setup using flavor. shos may also have omitted Frodo for any other number of reasons.

[reinoe]

Reinoe, to be fair, Frodo Baggins is not necessarily in the game. A common mod practice (and how I run my theme games) is to have more characters than necessary and randomize those that are selected. This means there is no way to break the setup using flavor. shos may also have omitted Frodo for any other number of reasons.

So the theory was that scum would take their chances at L-4 and claim a role that's almost definitely in the game?

Wow, that theory holds about as much water as the "reinoe typed [Confirm]" and he must be scum" theory. And that vote came after RVS ended so no it was not joking.

[Aronis]

Reinoe, to be fair, Frodo Baggins is not necessarily in the game. A common mod practice (and how I run my theme games) is to have more characters than necessary and randomize those that are selected. This means there is no way to break the setup using flavor. shos may also have omitted Frodo for any other number of reasons.

So the theory was that scum would take their chances at L-4 and claim a role that's almost definitely in the game?

Wow, that theory holds about as much water as the "reinoe typed [Confirm]" and he must be scum" theory. And that vote came after RVS ended so no it was not joking.

Definitely? How do you figure?

[reinoe]

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Definitely? How do you figure?[/quote]
My dying words is that this is lynched tomorrow^^^^. It's reaching Obscum levels.

[Fail Hydra]

That was an RVS vote, they have silly reasons like that! It wasn't serious and I have no idea why you're overreacting like this. No one would have hammered you, not until proper discussion about it was had.

We had proper discussions. We also had players portraying shite votes as legit.

And if you are town, I'd like you to know that you've taken away some of the best information - the hammer. The hammer vote is so important for finding scum (at least in my scumhunting tactics it is) that by taking that away from town, you've hurt towns chances at finding scum off of your wagon.

Wow, I almost believe this is not canned. What database of Things that Sound Townish do you use?

Yes, proper discussions in twilight, which is only happening because shos hasn't locked the thread yet. And we had reinou believing shite votes were legit, there's a difference.

The only reason I said that was because I didn't think reinou truly understood the consequences of what he did. I feel that when people are flailing around and raging at everything and everyone, it's best to put your thoughts into as many small, concise words so that they can't misunderstand you in the slightest.
You're right, it is database, that's the point. I'm not trying to look town here, I'm trying to tell reinou that even if he

is

town, he was being anti-town and explicitly spelling it out for him.

p-edit: @reinou - yes, it is hard to believe that anyone but

newbies and idiots

would quickhammer. Everyone knows if you quickhammer your ass is going to get quicklynched

so

hard the next day, no one would ever do it. Each and every quickhammer I have seen were all self-votes (and lylo, but that doesn't count in this situation). Think about that for a minute.

--Piggy--

[reinoe]

PMing the mod so I can be not-lynched and then nightkilled.

Also I've seen quickhammers not get lynched.

[reinoe]

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The only reason I said that was because I didn't think reinou truly understood the consequences of what he did.

--Piggy--

So shit votes don't lead to people getting lynched?

[Aronis]

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The only reason I said that was because I didn't think reinou truly understood the consequences of what he did.

--Piggy--

So shit votes don't lead to people getting lynched?

Your vote lynched you. What do you think?

[reinoe]

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The only reason I said that was because I didn't think reinou truly understood the consequences of what he did.

--Piggy--

So shit votes don't lead to people getting lynched?

Your vote lynched you. What do you think?

I was getting lynched no matter what. Once a person hits L-1 there's not stopping it. That's what, the third time I've said it? Scum typically don't read the threads so closely.

[Fail Hydra]

I myself have and seen others hit L-1 plenty of times and come away from it, scum and town alike.

--Piggy--

[reinoe]

I myself have and seen others hit L-1 plenty of times and come away from it, scum and town alike.

--Piggy--

I see no way that was happening this game considering the number of people who think Frodo Baggins would not be in a game called "Lord Of The Rings".

Again people were not believing

a full role and name claim

. Nothing was stopping that wagon.

[Protogonos]

So the theory was that scum would take their chances at L-4 and claim a role that's almost definitely in the game?

I never said that you were scum. In fact, I do not believe you are. I simply said that the assumption that Frodo Baggins has to be in the game is FALSE.

Yes, proper discussions in twilight, which is only happening because shos hasn't locked the thread yet. And we had reinou believing shite votes were legit, there's a difference.

My own assessment is that the votes were actual votes. I see no reason to believe otherwise, since the players said that the votes were real. So...

The only reason I said that was because I didn't think reinou truly understood the consequences of what he did. I feel that when people are flailing around and raging at everything and everyone,

it's best to put your thoughts into as many small, concise words so that they can't misunderstand you in the slightest

.

ROFL. That is some condescension if I ever saw any.

p-edit: @reinou - yes, it is hard to believe that anyone but

newbies and idiots

would quickhammer. Everyone knows if you quickhammer your ass is going to get quicklynched

so

hard the next day, no one would ever do it.

Lies.

[Bulbazak]

Why do you hope he is not scum?

Because it would give me near-orgasmic pleasure to witness the town realizing that rash behavior has consequences.

I wouldn't call the town's behavior rash. After all, Reinoe was the one who self voted.

Weren't you the one who was scumreading me because you think Frodo Baggins wouldn't be in a game called "Lord Of The Rings"?

No, I was scumreading you for your attempting to look town via the questions, for your premature claim, for your claim of unkillable, which amounts to "kill it with fire", and for your Appeal to Fear of "if you kill me, bad things will happen guys".

I'm not fighting a derpwagon. I've said so several times. People quickhammer way too often. How is this hard to understand?

Quick hammers don't happen as often as you'd think. The day phase is our most precious resource, and quick hammers cut information short. Plus, I for one would PL the crap out of anyone who quick hammered.

So the theory was that scum would take their chances at L-4 and claim a role that's almost definitely in the game?

Mods generally provide fake claims in theme games, which means that scum know that their fake claim is not in the game. And mods go to great lengths to ensure that their game cannot be broken by flavor. An example would be Fire Emblem: Awakening, where the main character was a scum fake claim.

Once a person hits L-1 there's not stopping it.

Sure there is. I once walked away from L-1 twice in a game. Add in the fact that short days are not good for town, and it was unlikely that you would have been lynched too quickly.

[Protogonos]

I wouldn't call the town's behavior rash. After all, Reinoe was the one who self voted.

And it was only a hammer because reinoe was at L-1. The fact that players who voted after the full claim are pissed about the lynch (and not just the self-hammer) is proof enough.

[Protogonos]

Aronis and Bulbazak should both die posthaste.

[Freja]

sigh...I didn't sign up for a troll game, people.

Firstly, Dr. Pants and I will be writing as a unit. If there is a sudden change in tone/writing style, its probably because a different person is writing. But we will be collaborating before submitting things.

@Reinoe: I have been at L-1 in almost every game I've played, and I rarely get lynched. Your attitude is bull, and unless you have a good reason for it role wise, you should be getting modkilled.

@Bulbazak: Please stop with your "I will not explain anything I do, but I will declare the allignments I think people have. Without any reasoning." And if you complain about how its your play-style, then you should change your play-style. A failure to explain ones reads only results in an inability for town to judge intent/motivation behind a read, and a lack of knowledge as to why a person may be considered scummy

Also, why did you respond to feel the need to respond to Reinoe's questions with something that can be summed up with "I disagree?"

Lastly, Reinoe's role claim was obviously idiotic, but for you to immediately react with "oh, this guy's lynch can help scum!" VOTE, without even the consideration that 1) its Reinoe we're talking about here, 2) it could be a gambit, 3) he may actually

want

to get lynched (think "the One Ring" in some of the other LOTR themed mafia games), warrants suspicion. Same goes for Aronis.

@Toogeloo: Neither of us do meta, so fuck that. Also, no. We do not know if Frodo is or is not in the game, and there is no point trying to break via flavor D1. Scum could have Frodo as a fake claim, scum could have

all

the hobbits as fake claims, or they could be a horde of nameless orcs--my point is, its irrelevant and idk why this discussion is coming up.

Proto is scum, btw.

Maybe, but you certainly are.

PEDIT: omg. Pants and I both agree, that last post is SCUMSCUMSCUMSCUM

[reinoe]

Why do you hope he is not scum?

Because it would give me near-orgasmic pleasure to witness the town realizing that rash behavior has consequences.

I wouldn't call the town's behavior rash. After all, Reinoe was the one who self voted.

Weren't you the one who was scumreading me because you think Frodo Baggins wouldn't be in a game called "Lord Of The Rings"?

No, I was scumreading you for your attempting to look town via the questions, for your premature claim, for your claim of unkillable, which amounts to "kill it with fire", and for your Appeal to Fear of "if you kill me, bad things will happen guys".

I'm not fighting a derpwagon. I've said so several times. People quickhammer way too often. How is this hard to understand?

Quick hammers don't happen as often as you'd think. The day phase is our most precious resource, and quick hammers cut information short. Plus, I for one would PL the crap out of anyone who quick hammered.

Bulbazak is trying to buddy me after the not-lynch to look townie.

I find it kinda remarkable the players who have been here for years claiming they've not seen the things I've seen in just a few months.

Bulbuzak is scum along with Aronis. Third scum probably Three To Mango. A wagon this retarded can't form this quickly without all three being on board.

[reinoe]

So in addition to scum already being the informed minority, you're telling me that Scum are often given a list of names and roles so that they can safely fake claim? That is such motherfucking garbage I'm never playing a theme game again.

[reinoe]

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Will they succeed?

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I look forward to town overcoming whatever advantage they've given to scum.

[Freja]

So in addition to scum already being the informed minority, you're telling me that Scum are often given a list of names and roles so that they can safely fake claim? That is such motherfucking garbage I'm never playing a theme game again.

Theme games are the best. You learn not to treat claims as OMG OBVTOWN, which is important in all games, really. Also some mods only give safe-names, others give them roles that other people have (ew)--and regardless the town can and should be able to sort the fake from the real if they know what they're doing.

[Drew-Sta]

There's a lot of butthurt in this thread. You kids need to relax more.

[ThreetoMango]

So the theory was that scum would take their chances at L-4 and claim a role that's almost definitely in the game?

It is

not

"almost definitely" in the game. As it was said before, it is more than likely scum got told a safeclaim, and it seems quite likely you have been using it.

Wow, that theory holds about as much water as the "reinoe typed [Confirm]" and he must be scum" theory. And that vote came after RVS ended so no it was not joking.

Goddammit, nobody ever used this reasoning. We [read:mastin] said we had a scumread on you, quoting your confirm post, but that was just to show who we were talking about. So can you

please

stop ranting about things that never happened?

So shit votes don't lead to people getting lynched?

No.

Just because you witnessed a derphammer once (or twice, it's not like I know) doesn't mean they happen every time, and it is not a reason for you to claim at

L-4

. I have witnessed zero derphammers in my last 10 games (even including marathons), so please don't act like your limited experience was all that counts.

I was getting lynched no matter what. Once a person hits L-1 there's not stopping it. That's what, the third time I've said it? Scum typically don't read the threads so closely.

This is BS. Acting like every L-1 wagon is lynched is BS and so is the assumption that scum didn't read the thread as closely. In my experience scum tend to read it

more

closely if anything.

I see no way that was happening this game considering the number of people who think Frodo Baggins would not be in a game called "Lord Of The Rings".

Again people were not believing

a full role and name claim

. Nothing was stopping that wagon.

You being town might have. But yeah, since you are probably scum, it probably wouldn't have stopped.

Bulbazak is trying to buddy me after the not-lynch to look townie.

I don't even...

I find it kinda remarkable the players who have been here for years claiming they've not seen the things I've seen in just a few months.

-.- Nobody said that they haven't

witnessed

things, but you are assuming that just because things happen once or twice they happen every time.

A wagon this retarded can't form this quickly without all three being on board.

...You have no idea, do you?

~MTD [not really synced]

Pedit: There's nothing as good for learning the game as failing spectacularly.
Also what Freja said.

[reinoe]

Sorry couldn't sleep because of a firetruck. By the way to show that Three To Mango is obviously lying, I was being scumread by that hydra as of post 37. As of post 37 I had three posts. I challenge the entire town to find the scumminess in post 9, 27, or 30. Those were my three posts.

[Drew-Sta]

I can't believe you role claimed as Frodo at L-4. And still got lynched! That's somefunny fucking shit right there rein. Remind me to play a game with you where I'm mafia - the easy mislynch and ensuing /ragequit would be even funnier when red.

[reinoe]

I can't believe you role claimed as Frodo at L-4. And still got lynched! That's somefunny fucking shit right there rein. Remind me to play a game with you where I'm mafia - the easy mislynch and ensuing /ragequit would be even funnier when red.

If you don't mind after this game. I'll be adding this quote to my wiki-page.