Micro 333 -- Medical Mafia ~~Game Over~~

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 2.03

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Saki - 2 - Marquis, snscompt1
snscompt1 - 2 - ZZZX, Saki

Not Voting: Jackal711, Not_Mafia

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch and 3 to no-lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-06-21 04:52:10)

[ZZZX]

If noone claims nurse It is effectively Jackal.

I guess I will wait a bit..

[snscompt1]

Calm thy tits. Maybe they just dont want to claim. I wouldnt. We dont know the plan.

[Marquis]

jfc sns you're all over the place with this claiming and plan thing

[Marquis]

DON'T claim actions it won't help

no we won't know how to protect each other because we don't know which roles have been eliminated. barely any of the doctors just protect. others protect only in certain scenarios.

if your ego is big enough that you think you'll be able to divine the exact nature of the setup at this time,
with 3 town roles dead in a partial flip,
and 2 out of the 6 players lying to confuse the town
(no we probably won't be able to catch scum in a lie, because this isn't dethy and there are more than just 4 possible versions of the main town role)
then............ just stop. we're not claiming

however

i am going to ask that nurse claims RIGHT NOW if they are still alive. the main reason for this is so that mafia can't use the lack of claim now to claim the role when they think nurse has died.

(hint: if you live to tomorrow and i see a new nurse claim, i will treat it as a scum fakeclaim. no exceptions)

[Marquis]

i'm going to refrain from commenting on saki/sns until jackal posts something of relevance, but i will say that i'm not feeling any happy feelings toward sns' slot at this moment

[ZZZX]

DON'T claim actions it won't help

no we won't know how to protect each other because we don't know which roles have been eliminated. barely any of the doctors just protect. others protect only in certain scenarios.

if your ego is big enough that you think you'll be able to divine the exact nature of the setup at this time,
with 3 town roles dead in a partial flip,
and 2 out of the 6 players lying to confuse the town
(no we probably won't be able to catch scum in a lie, because this isn't dethy and there are more than just 4 possible versions of the main town role)
then............ just stop. we're not claiming

however

i am going to ask that nurse claims RIGHT NOW if they are still alive. the main reason for this is so that mafia can't use the lack of claim now to claim the role when they think nurse has died.

(hint: if you live to tomorrow and i see a new nurse claim, i will treat it as a scum fakeclaim. no exceptions)

Thanks for summing up my thoughts

[Jackal711]

Hello everyone.

I'd hoped to post earlier but I got stuck doing 3 hours overtime at work. (It's 8pm my time as I write this.) I can't access MS from my work computer.

After dinner, etc I will begin my read through. I expect to have an actual content post ready in a couple hours.

[Jackal711]

So. Many. Replacements. The most I've seen in a Normal-sized (13 or less players) non-newbie game in my Mafia career.

I find a good portion of this game to be of little use in forming reads, such as the "should we claim" and other discussion that's taken up most of the past 4 pages.

The only firm read I have atm is that SNS is scummy as fuck. Seriously why is he not lynched yet?

Points:
Was the hammer vote on CoolDog
Was the main one pushing for a wagon on Rach, who flipped town.
Later (during current day) calls out and votes Saki basically for having defended Rach

sns-saki is most likely the scum team. I'll support either wagon but I think sns should die first.

VOTE: snscompt1
This is L-1.

[ZZZX]

We either no lynch and all doctors target me so we don't kill someone accidently OR we lynch now and we follow the plan few pages ago

[snscompt1]

*sigh* Welp. This sucks. Since this wont change, and I wanted to do this anyways, I probably have a killing role.

[snscompt1]

Can we hear your plan now zzzk? If lynching me is part of it and we will win, thatd be fine.

[ZZZX]

For now I would like to actually make this happen. I did this game over and over and we are basically nearly screwed. I am trying to think this and am interested about something. Hmm my mind going to blow lol.


Now let me think. Why isn't nurse claiming?

@Mod I have 2 questions. If we lynch wrong at lylo is it an auto lose or do we get a chance to win the night game?


And if someone was a nurse that became a doctor then replaced out will his replacement know he was a nurse?

[ZZZX]

and last @mod if both doctor and nurse die in night will nurse appear as doctor?

[ZZZX]

And sns who did you target?

[Nobody Special]

@Mod I have 2 questions. If we lynch wrong at lylo is it an auto lose or do we get a chance to win the night game?


And if someone was a nurse that became a doctor then replaced out will his replacement know he was a nurse?

1) "Endgame Ruling: Mafia win when they control 50% of the town, regardless of whichever Doctor(s) are still alive." I

think

this answers your question; if that's not clear, feel free to ask in a different way.

2) Yes. Anyone replacing in receives all the knowledge that the slot has.

[Nobody Special]

and last @mod if both doctor and nurse die in night will nurse appear as doctor?

Do you mean that if the first Doctor (that the Nurse would have become) and the Nurse die in the same night, would the Nurse flip as Nurse? Yes. (But note this would require a D1 Mafia lynch.)

[snscompt1]

Ah. So the nurse became cooldogs doctor role. So thats how it works.

Does it matter who I targeted? Everyone keeps saying not to give scum more info *grumbles*

[ZZZX]

So I got the first claim of the killing role. Anyone else ended up killing?


@cool dog the questions answered by mod basically told me ideas. Your claim did to. So a mass claim gives us a chance to know If we have a paranoid doctor alive which can basically rock.


So go ahead and claim guys. I will be last to claim for a reason I will explain later. I have the final plan ready

[snscompt1]

I targeted Rach if it wasnt obvious. I want to do this popcorn style.

Not Mafia, youre up.

[Marquis]

no no no no wait

i'm seeing a saki - jackal scumteam right now

[Marquis]

THE REASON I DIDN'T WANT TO CLAIM WAS ALSO BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY EASY FOR SCUM TO SAY "NO BUT I CAN KILL, DON'T LYNCH ME"

[Marquis]

ugh caps lock was not intended sorry

nvm about that because maybe scum would have done that too at l-1 like sns is doing. but i can't tell

[Marquis]

So. Many. Replacements. The most I've seen in a Normal-sized (13 or less players) non-newbie game in my Mafia career.

I find a good portion of this game to be of little use in forming reads, such as the "should we claim" and other discussion that's taken up most of the past 4 pages.

The only firm read I have atm is that SNS is scummy as fuck.

Seriously why is he not lynched yet?

Points:
Was the hammer vote on CoolDog
Was the main one pushing for a wagon on Rach, who flipped town.
Later (during current day)

calls out and votes Saki basically for having defended Rach

sns-saki is most likely the scum team.

I'll support either wagon but I think sns should die first.

VOTE: snscompt1
This is L-1.

the tone here kind of reeks of softbussing; i feel like i've seen this happen too often before

scum: "i think [town player] and [scum player] are scum, but let's get [town player] first"

i'm not saying that's exactly why i read him as scummy though, because that's more like a scenario i

could

see happening.

rather, i'm reading jackal's post and jackal consequently as horribly scummy because it's a bunch of points against sns, and sure he votes for sns.

but then he says that he has sns

and saki

as scum- there's nothing behind his read on saki. it looks mostly just appeasing to the idea of saki-scum at that point.

[Marquis]

zzzx i really think you should unvote.