Mini 1578: Lord of the Rings!! - GaME OVeR

[shos]

Votecount 2.4 (unchanged)

ThreetoMango (0).
Protogonos (4) - guyett, Bulbazak, Drew-Sta.
Bulbazak (1) - Freja.
Fail Hydra (0).
snscompt1 (0).
Drew-Sta (0).
Freja (0).
RachMarie (1) - Toogeloo.
Aronis (2) - Protogonos, snscompt1.
Toogeloo (0).
Guyett (0).

No Lynch(0).

Not voting(4) - Aronis, RachMarie, Fail Hydra, ThreetoMango.

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes for a lynch/nolynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2014-06-18 14:06:58)

I'm gonna be busy next week, so I pre-prodded Aronis and ThreetoMango. This will only count as a prod if they don't post until 48 hours have passed from their last post.

Fun Fact #7:
Galadriel is about 1854 years older than Elrond.
Fun Fact #8:
It took me about 20 minutes to calculate fun fact #7.

[snscompt1]

@Mod: It says Proto has four votes when he only has three.

[Drew-Sta]

Keeping tabs eh SNS?

I suspect both Proto and Aronis right now.

What I've noticed is Bulba is actually attempting to start a lynch train; which is risky to do as mafia. He's also done this off his own bat. Last game I played with him, he was more reactive rather than proactive. To me, that's the difference and why I think he's town.

So he could be mafia, but I'm not getting that impression from his posting.

[Drew-Sta]

lolol. Just realised its a miscount. Sorry sns.

Fun fact - I drank two bottles of wine last night and it took me twenty minutes to properly write the last post.

[shos]

@Mod: It says Proto has four votes when he only has three.

The votecount is accurate.

[snscompt1]

Anyone else see the miscount?

[RachMarie]

Ok if the mod says its accurate, it is accurate, let's move on peeps.

[snscompt1]

Okie dokie. Where would you like to move on to?

[Protogonos]

What roles have been discussed?

Flavor roles, duh.

Ok if the mod says its accurate, it is accurate, let's move on peeps.

Uh...no. I have no desire to move on. I think it is worth investigating why I have four votes. There is no reason for a town doublevoter or hidden voter not to disclose that fact.

[snscompt1]

Herp derp. Forgot about that role. Interesting.

[Drew-Sta]

What roles have been discussed?

Flavor roles, duh.

Ok if the mod says its accurate, it is accurate, let's move on peeps.

Uh...no. I have no desire to move on. I think it is worth investigating why I have four votes. There is no reason for a town doublevoter or hidden voter not to disclose that fact

.

Why would they do that? It makes them an automatic NK target?

A double vote is crucial in late stage.

[RachMarie]

great we already lost a PR lets not start fishing to see if there is another ok all lets just focus on finding actual scum duh.

[Freja]

conspiracy theorist head here:

scum has the ring. a mysterious extra vote with no name on it is in play. quick analysis shows that the players on the proto wagon can't have permanent invisible votes or double votes, and rational says that if someone has a 1-shot use of one of these day 2 is not the day to use it.

conclusion: the ring has a vote. scum chooses where the vote goes.

[ThreetoMango]

Sorry, I was in a friend's wedding, so I really didn't have any time to post recently. I'll try to get back to this when I get home.

- Dice

[Protogonos]

Why would they do that? It makes them an automatic NK target?

A double vote is crucial in late stage.

Double-votes are negative utility because there is no guarantee that the player will conform to the town's wishes. They are potentially even worse than vigs because they deprive the town of the desired lynch.

[Protogonos]

conspiracy theorist head here:

scum has the ring. a mysterious extra vote with no name on it is in play. quick analysis shows that the players on the proto wagon can't have permanent invisible votes or double votes, and rational says that if someone has a 1-shot use of one of these day 2 is not the day to use it.

conclusion: the ring has a vote. scum chooses where the vote goes.

That was my thought. I will leave the obvious conclusion unstated.

[Drew-Sta]

Why would they do that? It makes them an automatic NK target?

A double vote is crucial in late stage.

Double-votes are negative utility because there is no guarantee that the player will conform to the town's wishes. They are potentially even worse than vigs because they deprive the town of the desired lynch.

I think thats an entirely speculative way of thinking about it. I also lnow you're going to suggest I'm one of them so to prove I'm not the DV'er:

UNVOTE: Proto
VOTE: Drew

The DV is Bulb or Guy. But I've either played into your hands or we've narrowed down to the ring bearer.

Whatev's. I need a Fosters.

[Protogonos]

Alternatively, the Ring Bearer (now presumably the godfather or whatever) has a second vote that he can use on any player. I would find that more likely, otherwise the game is easily broken in the manner you suggest.

[Drew-Sta]

Seems like a stretch, mate. And uncharacteristic of the Ring's story - provided shos is trying to stay true to the story.

[Freja]

conspiracy theorist head here:

scum has the ring. a mysterious extra vote with no name on it is in play. quick analysis shows that the players on the proto wagon can't have permanent invisible votes or double votes, and rational says that if someone has a 1-shot use of one of these day 2 is not the day to use it.

conclusion: the ring has a vote. scum chooses where the vote goes.

That was my thought. I will leave the obvious conclusion unstated.

if this was your thought, how come you didn't say so in the first place? from here it looks like you're agreeing with me because you think it means you have to be town. highly convenient of you, given how confused you looked in 308.
also part of having PR's is so that some town players have more power than others. who cares if town disagrees with what you do if you're a double/hidden voter, majority rules is bullshit in a game where there are people deliberately sabotaging the town.
The Pants head of this hydra finds Proto to be scummy. I'll confer with my better half.

[Drew-Sta]

I honestly doubt the ring bestows that benefit, BTW, and think you've accepted an unlikely theory as truth way to quickly, and I've played in to mafia's hands by narrowing the DV down. /fuck me

[Freja]

none of you is a double voter. quick vca from yesterday confirms this.
one option Toast mentioned to me was we might have a motivator. this would explain the extra vote, if someone was actually a dv they'd have to be stupid to put themselves in such a small wagon so early in the game.

[Drew-Sta]

I'm confused Freja - what is a motivator?

[Freja]

the way toast explained it, as a motivator you target someone, and the next day they get DV

[Drew-Sta]

Oh, a night action. Right. Kinda makes sense, but seems like a highly unlikely power. It benefits town maybe, but seems quite under powered if that is the case.