NY 173: Knight-Errant 2 - GAME OVER!

[zMuffinMan]

good day to you all, sirs and madams

i am town

[zMuffinMan]

maybe reading stuff tomorrow

[zMuffinMan]

I hate you Muffinman

maybe you'd like me if you got to know me

Hai muffin!

So are we!

nati

two questions

who should i be voting? and how obvtown was my predecessor?

might get around to reading stuff this afternoon/tonight

i'm in a reading mood today

[zMuffinMan]

well, i'm at least 60% sure you're wrong!

why is nati scum?

[zMuffinMan]

who's not scum

[zMuffinMan]

Many are suspecting mafiassk right now but I dunno. Does this play look like his play in xeno saga?

i haven't read yet but even when mafiassk isn't scum, he is secretly working with them

(also i'm not _really_ a good authority on reading mafiassk, i read him as scum in xenogears purely because of claim stuff)

[zMuffinMan]

Many are suspecting mafiassk right now but I dunno. Does this play look like his play in xeno saga?

i'm not gonna be finished reading this shit any time soon, but i went over mafiassk's ISO and it's not at all similar to how he played in xenosaga (or any of the other scum games i've seen from him). i've never really seen him post like this as town, either, so massive *shrug*

what's the case on him?

(other than him being mafiassk, ergo a great policy lynch)

[zMuffinMan]

nowhere near finished reading. chillax a bit on the votes for a day or so

[zMuffinMan]

you're both really amazing players who are very good at finding scum

how fucking dumb are scum that they've allowed two sc hunting geniuses live til D3?

[zMuffinMan]

how many town players replace into a 50+page game and say "Hold on folks. I want to read everything before going to night" when they could potentially get night-killed and won't have to read anything?

that is actually why i didn't read shit last night and why i wouldn't read shit if mafiassk actually got lynched. but seeing as it's day phase and i'm alive, i figured i would do what i'm told regular people do and try to contribute to the game. *gasp*

i mean, don't get me wrong. i love not reading. it's my favourite pastime. but you know, sometimes i feel like being unpredictable and putting effort into a game!

thursday/friday are shit for me, though, so i'm not gonna be caught up til tomorrow afternoon when i get home from work (soooooo like <20 hours from now). i know the deadline is really fucking close and everything, but can you wait that long?

[zMuffinMan]

im at p36

i have town reads on everyone but monkeyman and mafiassk

gotta get up in 6~ish hours for work

then i'll bless you all with my amazingness when i get home (and i'm pretty amazing, so you guys are lucky)

[zMuffinMan]

all of them

night

[zMuffinMan]

why am i dying tonight?

also i can do condensed thoughts or long wall of death thoughts. i'm almost done reading

[zMuffinMan]

did you rolecop me

[zMuffinMan]

he already claimed VT (at the start of today)

also that was the closest thing to a town post i've ever seen ssk write and the fact he's not fighting this lynch at all doesn't make me feel good about the odds of him flipping scum

[zMuffinMan]

^referring to the post on the last page, not the above, although the above didn't make me feel any different about it

[zMuffinMan]

that's the bait

you are taking it

so he's scum regardless of what he does and everything he does now is bait

k

i'm not even confident mafiassk is town (prior to the last couple posts by him, i woulda been perfectly fine lynching him just because he could be scum and poe coz i have too many town reads elsewhere) but this isn't how i've ever seen him react as scum so unless it's a meta thing designed specifically to fool people who rely on meta (in which case, wow, that's the best scum play i've ever seen ssk make) i'm not feeling all that great about this lynch atm

it's taking every bone in my body right now to resist the urge to troll hammer him. coz i would really like to do that. but i'm getting cold feet about it

(also i should really be giving my thoughts on game atm but i'm still like p43 and haven't read anything in the last couple hours lololol)

pedit: see the above attitude is what i'd expect from him as scum, not the passive give-up shit

[zMuffinMan]

Possibly trying to change his scum meta possibly?

no, i mean, as scum he's all like "fuck you guys, you can't prove i'm scum, i always play like this, also i'm a town PR, don't lynch me, fuck you all your reasons are all shit"

like the most recent post by him kinda

[zMuffinMan]

i know

[zMuffinMan]

He is not a town pr

(that was kinda my point, although given this is semi-open i could see him not wanting to fake-claim as scum but whatever)

[zMuffinMan]

maybe

i'm basically current

anyone townreading the monkeyman-AJ slot give me a run down of why because i'm pretty sure it's scum

if we're not lynching ssk, i want to go there

also dunno how the fuck that wagon died yesterday and got derailed onto hopkirk

like i just read it and i still don't understand how it happened

[zMuffinMan]

1003 was a really good post explaining why monkeyman was scum

adding onto this the thing i noticed about his guzame interaction. 206 has a guzame FoS, 428 makes absolutely no mention of guzame (and given he was like... the only player in the game monkeyman FoSed, that's fucking weird - i'm thinking the FoS was a "haha, voting town, fosing buddy!" thing), and then when he eventually votes mnem, rather than agreeing that anything mnem said or did was scummy, he uses guzame as his excuse for voting.

plus i didn't like monkeyman's kat vote D2 (and god i hate myself every time i used this word but there was literally no... trajectory... leading up to that vote and the reasoning was poor as shit)

AJ's contribution to the game was "wheee haven't read anything yet" and then people unvoted and lynched hopkirk for ~magical reasons~ and because i am a mere muggle i cannot understand the magic here

[zMuffinMan]

i mean, i don't think a mafiassk wagon is the worst thing that could happen today, but my thinking about mafiassk right now is basically, "he's done almost nothing that looks town and he could be scum and i have a lot of town reads elsewhere so i dunno *shrug*"

the recent "omg can't believe i'm being policy lynched!!" stuff is yuck

[zMuffinMan]

also just gonna put it out there that if nati is somehow scum then his scum game is vastly different than what i remember it being

i do not think he's scum, though

i am disappointed that he seems to think kaze is a cooler hydra partner than me, though, because he's NEVER asked me to talk about a game before

ok... this makes sense from scum... why?

the inconsistency in the read. if monkeyman had guzame as scum, where the fuck did that scum read disappear to in 428? literally nothing had changed between his fos and that post, but his scum read on guzame (or at least his willingness to lynch guzame) had entirely evaporated. it looks like scum forgetting he had distanced from his buddy or capitalising on the fact the pressure had dropped due to guzame's inactivity.

and the vote really felt like scum going "hey, i'm bussing the fuck out of my partner because he's a sinking ship. wait... better come up with something so it looks like i'm not actually doing that... hmmmmmmmmmmmmm i think i fosed guzame at some point! yeah, i'll use that!"

[zMuffinMan]

saying "vote mneumonic, [insert recycled reasoning]" or even "vote: mneumonic, choo choo motherfuckers" probably wouldn't have done much damage to monkey's overall standing and it actually probably would have given him brownie points with greyice.

i dunno how you think tacking a vote onto the end of a sinking ship would have earned him brownie points

i'm a little interested in where the town read on the Cho/notty slot's coming from, muffin

meta

[zMuffinMan]

like i've misread ns as town when he was scum before, but it's usually been because i liked his entrance or he had like one post that i thought was really town or some really bad reason like that, but when ns is scum he's able to fake a bit of enthusiasm up to a point before he just... peters off and starts being this unmotivated lurksack. if ns was scum here and managed to pull off what he did at the end of D2 (p41-p43 in particular) then i dunno. kudos to him for improving his scum game that much that i literally dunno how to read him

[zMuffinMan]

also while i'm on the subject of town reads, i don't see how anyone could possibly have jbomber as a scum read after the way D1 played out (like at best SK, but even that is meh). i mean, even apart from the fact that the interactions he had with guzame/mnem slot didn't look like bussing/distancing at all, his play this game looks so much like clueless town it's almost unbearable

and part of the reason i think katarina is town is because 755 was the most get-the-fuck-out-of-my-head post i've ever seen. i was reading the way D1 played out and the way the wagon on mnem developed and everything and this post just hit the nail on the head so fucking hard it's not funny (i mean, there are some other posts by kat i like, too, but this here was a pretty big reason for why i think kat town)

also TA is pretty fucking town. and you're pretty fucking town. and TV is kinda town but not as town but still pretty town. and i dunno if i really need to explain any of these

[zMuffinMan]

why, in a time where everyone is pretty much sheeping greyice, would monkeyman feel the need to make a weird vote that stands out (like you're arguing)? wouldn't it be a lot easier to just blend in with the rest of the sheep?

OK

walk me through how you usually look for scum on a scum lynch

because the way i see it, this is rather fucking simple.

where do people normally look for scum on a scum lynch? in the late sheep votes (it varies depending on circumstances, but this is usually the case). what do you do as scum if you don't want to look like you're obv bussing? come up with additional reasoning to tack on to make it look like you have original thoughts on the matter. only the thing is that monkeyman's read on that slot wasn't even consistent (or at least he forgot about what his read supposedly was in 428)

[zMuffinMan]

like you were pushing hopkirk yesterday (a late sheep vote on mnem with no original thought)

you're pushing mafiassk today (a late sheep vote on mnem with no original thought)

if this is how scum blends in, then they're sure doing a shit job of it this game according to you

[zMuffinMan]

or you just see right through their blending in

[zMuffinMan]

meta can be left in the trash where it belongs

anything else?

nope

[zMuffinMan]

i mean, end of D2 notty, notty, his tinkling bell meant he was the happiest little fellow in all toy land

i don't think that's scum notty

[zMuffinMan]

i've just been wanting to say that for a while and i finally found an opportunity for it

[zMuffinMan]

i still think it would be easier for scum-monkey to vote sheep onto the wagon and then point the finger to the 7 other wagoners if people started hunting for bussers

your suspicion yesterday was hopkirk
your suspicion today is mafiassk

ok, cool, you're not hunting for them based on the mnem wagon, but you're arguing that it's better for scum to blend in by doing what hopkirk/mafiassk did and saying it makes no sense for monkeyman-scum to do what he did because... ~insert reasons~

the most basic of basic things to do as scum when you're bussing a sinking ship is to make it look like you're not actually bussing a sinking ship, and a sheep vote indistinguishable from the rest earns you no town cred

[zMuffinMan]

put ur vote on ssk so he can flip sk or something

or you could put your vote on mafia so that he can flip mafia

Spoiler:

i don't have any real reason for linking this, i just felt like posting it in response to something you wrote

who else do you think is scum, ms?

[zMuffinMan]

Not feeling like any cases beyond 'lurking' and 'voting me' have materialized from LotU or SSK. Would like that rectified.

who do you guys think is scum? i see you talking a lot about a lack of cases, and you've given two or three town reads, but i don't know who you actually think is scum

[zMuffinMan]

hey nati

have you ever seen mafiassk give up like this as town?

[zMuffinMan]

you do realise that, at most, a week can be added to the deadline, so as long as a lynch happens within the next 4 days you get the full amount of bankable time, right? (not that it's actually necessary to have a full 3 weeks in the first place)

[zMuffinMan]

i would be fine with either AJ or mafiaSSK, tbh

i don't really wanna let SSK lurk away the wagon on him

[zMuffinMan]

guessing that was a scum claim

[zMuffinMan]

o that wasn't even the hammer

yeah

Vote: MafiaSSK

[zMuffinMan]

here

tired

good night

[zMuffinMan]

i'm really out of this game (and most others) atm. i need to refresh and skim back over stuff (prob tomorrow when i'll have time)

[zMuffinMan]

PA was pretty confidentish in AJ-town

y?

The ending before he replaced out was more towards the ns-scum scale meta than town-ns meta

elaborate

[zMuffinMan]

only reason i think TV might be scum is i have too many stronger town reads elsewhere

also

Vote: Lemniscate

[zMuffinMan]

I'm here because I replaced in. I thought my vanilla slot was already hammered / dead, so I was confused why to put any effort in at all. By the time it would take me to fully read through this game, I assumed I'd have been dead.

you were nowhere near hammered and you're still nowhere near lynched

sooooooooooooooo

However I will highly advise, that you look elsewhere away from me before the deadline ends, to figure out who will be scum *just in case* I flip town

i don't like this sentence at all. especially the "just in case" part.

[zMuffinMan]

i think you're a pretty smart guy

LAL

pick out your strongest ones (what you would call your "townbloc") and please give me a quick blurb about why they're town

it's on my to-do list for after sleep when i start forcing myself to get back into mafia again and write words and cool stuff that people like reading. or something

[zMuffinMan]

You're vote is on me, and the only thing you can say is, I'm "lurking."

t b h

the fact that you're "lurking" probably isn't a major factor in why anyone thinks you're scum

If you want to work together and you want my help in pursuing other candidates and actually finding scum, great, I'll gladly help, but get your votes off of me and actually do some work yourself.

that's not how this game works

IF you have stuff you want to talk about regarding other players, then i'll humour you and pretend you're town and talk about those things, but i'm not going to drop a read on you because you want me to

[zMuffinMan]

pick out your strongest ones (what you would call your "townbloc") and please give me a quick blurb about why they're town

eh. my reads are basically the same as they were when i got caught up in this game. nothing has really changed between now and then

i'm pretty sure nati is town. i don't really know how to explain this in a way that wouldn't make me come across as a raving lunatic. he's mah soul brother. he's one of the few people i have confidence i can read correctly basically all the time. also his posts at the start of today were fairly obvious town-nati

i think TA is almost certainly town. outside of the MS semi-clear, he was one of the earlier town reads i had in this game. in my notes, i had #45/#66 as townish posts, i had him as fairly solid town after p7 and then after that i stopped taking notes on which of his posts felt town. i've liked the way he's working to figure things out and i'm not sensing scum intent in the way his reads have been developing

those two are reads i'd almost be willing to bet the game on

next tier is probably jbomber then kk then cho

i talked about jbomber at some point earlier in the game i think, but basically his interactions with the guzame/mnem slot look highly unlikely to come from scum and a lot of his posts just look the the very definition of n00bhat town being clueless and naive. he'd prob be among the people i'd be willing to bet the game on except i don't really remember anything he's done lately

kk i have as town for three reasons. one i'm not going to talk about, one is the fact that he's semi-cleared via MS, and one is the fact that i think he's been fairly transparent in the way he's approached this game. there's no real... agenda, i guess? the way he's been questioning multiple people, the pushes he's been making and the way his suspicions have developed has felt natural. it helps that some of his thoughts align with mine

i'm not really sure why you have a massive boner for the notscience slot - i thought notscience's play looked pretty town. you've never really talked about why you disagree except to say "nuh uh, ur wrong"

[zMuffinMan]

I'm not a fan of your slot by gut

gut based on what?

[zMuffinMan]

sure. it's technically possible that one of them is SK who predicted they would be blocked and decided to use their 1-shot strongman that night instead of saving it for a potentially better time somewhere down the line... it's rather unlikely, though.

[zMuffinMan]

Antihero, from what I've seen and read, my other reads aren't much

how much have you read? what are your other reads?

[zMuffinMan]

titus

have you actually read much of the game yet?

[zMuffinMan]

if lemni really is scum, then where's the resistance to the wagon? who's her buddy? the only logical answer that follows is titus, which is pretty unsatisfactory given that katarina was pretty town and titus is pretty town as well

ignoring the possibility lemni is SK, she has... one buddy. who may or may not want to super commit to a town read on her, or hard defend her, etc, for fear of being linked to her

tbh, i don't think titus's play is at all indicative of someone who's scum with lemni. i'd be more looking at someone like TV who's not really forthcoming with reads, not really commenting on lemni or the lemni wagon, etc

[zMuffinMan]

i know notty recently siteflaked, but the detachment was since the beginning of the game.

*shrug* tbh, it wasn't until about p40 in my read through that i started town reading notscience

i suppose my read through was a bit skewed since there's no real sense of time when i'm just reading pages, but i thought that burst of activity between like... p40 and p45 or whenever it was looked really town

re: khan

you mention not having an agenda, but i'm having a hard time trusting that. i don't know, the push on lemni seems kind of single minded.

i don't think it is single-minded, though? no more than my push is. KK had a scum read on AJ, lemni's play so far has basically consisted of calling KK scum and then calling TA scum, and not really doing much of anything else. like, yeah he thinks lemni is scum, probably for a lot of the same reasons i do, but i don't really consider that an agenda so much as pushing someone he thinks is scum.

[zMuffinMan]

Everyone stopped trying to have conversations with me a while ago

you could always engage people yourself

or talk about your reads in more depth than just "gut"

or whatever

[zMuffinMan]

So I'm just going to sit here and be stubborn like I should have done on Amrun in Death's Diner.

yeah, well, the difference being in death's diner you actually had decent reasons

[zMuffinMan]

What's wrong with hypersensitivity

i don't think anything they said was "hypersensitive" and even if it was i don't see how it's scummy?

pushing shitty lynches for shitty reasons

what is this referring to?

[zMuffinMan]

I can go back and cherry pick scummy moments

also, i'd like to see this

unless you're referring to stuff since you've replaced in

[zMuffinMan]

what efforts

[zMuffinMan]

We all should read and examine the fine print of the roles

tbh i interpreted that as kk saying, "why is mala doing that right now?" rather than criticising someone for reading the setup

[zMuffinMan]

Your comment is a distinction without a difference

no, there's a huge difference. i read mala's strongman speculation and just thought, "and...?" like what was the point of it other than to suggest they might not be confirmed not-SK and therefore... what? where was that heading? what was the point of it?

it's just muddying the waters without committing to anything

[zMuffinMan]

VOTE LEM

thank you. dear god, thank you

[zMuffinMan]

Sigh... I told you so. I'm VT.

. . . . .

if by some miracle you're actually town (i think it's far more likely this is you trolling but whatevs), maybe next time actually do something

[zMuffinMan]

Nothing zMuffinMan did was super-townish

that's my #1 town tell, thanks

[zMuffinMan]

viewtopic.php?p=5878560#p5878560

that was before you called me town, though, so that doesn't actually explain why you think i'm scum now. (plus fucking lol if that's your reason for thinking i'm scum)

yes, he could have lurked and let his scumbuddy do the shooting, but i doubt it.

tbh, i'm surprised you're still alive. it means scum are probably shit at this game. it looks like they were going for cross kills rather than shooting off a conftown player, which is about as dumb as dumb can be imo

I think the prudent course of action is to limit the lynch to TV or jbomb as the day 1 wagon likely had at least one busser. Discuss.

not necessarily but i think there's a decent chance TV is scum anyway and jbomber has been giving me bad vibes of late as well (and i was looking over the end of the last day phase and the whole "pls don't think i'm scummy for voting lemniscate" was pretty awful)

[zMuffinMan]

Zmuffin thoughts on 1882?

it stands out because it's bolded. could have used some different colours and stuff to make it pretty. maybe even a better font.

not sure if this is the kind of feedback you were looking for

[zMuffinMan]

how does godfather work with SK? is it a 1-shot activated investigation immunity?

[zMuffinMan]

Bicephalous Bob (3) - PeregrineV, mnemonicdevice, Katarina LeBlanc

i don't think it's likely kat would group together with scum buddies when mnem was obviously a sinking ship and if godfather is a 1-shot active for SK, i think it's pretty unlikely kat would have chosen N3 specifically to activate it? marquis pretty likely town

[zMuffinMan]

If we were Mafia, there is zero chance I'd have let us bus Day One. No, I don't care if Guzame was running around in a sandwich board claiming to be the scummiest scum who ever scummed. I don't bus, and I don't let my hydra partners bus. And quite frankly, impolite as it might be to say, in this hydra when I'm not off fucking up my personal life, I'm the one approving the votes and such.

If we were the SK, there is zero chance I'd have had us kill PeregrineV Night One. I'd have kept him around forever and ever given past evidence that I can play him as per NY 164. SK-me would consider his presence in the game to be a gift from on high. Not someone to be killed out the gate, sheesh.

lol. this looks so much like the half-assed meta defenses i like to pull when i'm scum

I think we have a Mafia BP left. The only way to pull in a Town Cop and a Town Roleblocker with a Mafia Roleblocker is to start at the upper right corner with the Mafia Roleblocker and make the first knight hop to the Town Cop, the second knight hop to the Mafia BP on the third row, right side, and then the last hop to the Town Roleblocker on the bottom.

see, i almost want to call this a town slip, but it's very clear in the ruleset that this isn't how the setup is determined (it even gives an example) so i don't see how you could have read the rules enough that you know how the setup is determined by moving a knight through the grid but not enough that you thought this was actually how it was determined. this reeks of trying to fake a town-slip

but i'll humour you anyway. have you discussed the setup with your other head? and if so, did neither of you read the rules and/or know how the setup actually works?

[zMuffinMan]

i think TV is trying to look useful without actually doing anything and i think the wrong setup stuff looks contrived (especially bringing it up multiple times, in a, "hey look at how wrong i am about the setup, guys! wouldn't be this wrong if i were scum" feeling sort of way)

[zMuffinMan]

1850 and 1852 look like they're fishing for consensus before comitting to anything

[zMuffinMan]

i'm town

[zMuffinMan]

3 of the 7 players alive are scum.

also this is precisely why scum are dumb fucks. going for cross kills and leaving conftown alive in 7p is lolworthy

[zMuffinMan]

yes, of course, you're just too smart

[zMuffinMan]

I'm not scum.

LAL

[zMuffinMan]

Guys, the safe play is lynching one of TV/Bomber

i would be fine with this tbh

i'll prob give their ISOs a read through when i am not falling asleep and see which one i like the least

[zMuffinMan]

<insert witty prod dodge here>

[zMuffinMan]

how did this go?

it never happened

but i have like 45 mins to kill before i need to leave today so yay reading

[zMuffinMan]

yeah so i think i've been giving jbomber a little too much town cred for the way he pushed mnem. i think the timing of it makes not a lot of sense given the bob wagon looked fairly viable as a counter-wagon at the time, but it's not as super omg town as i thought it was now that i'm looking back at it. a lot of his early posts come off as meh, could easily see coming from newbie scum, there are posts here and there that i could maybe see coming from town but *shrug*

i keep coming back to posts like 1784 and reading it and thinking, "who the fuck writes something like that if they're town?" - it really looks like scum who expects it will be a mislynch and doesn't want people to accuse him of the very, very obvious for laying a vote down there. his other posts of late haven't made me feel any better about him. it feels like he's basically coasting through the game at this point and, up until titus called him out, was trying to stay way under the radar and not draw any attention (which seems to have worked because i don't even remember anything he's done in the last few game days)

as for TV, meh. their posts of late gave me similarly bad feelings. they've been using a lot of the same tactics i like to employ as scum and i get the sense they care more about just surviving than they do about solving the game and trying to find scum (see: their most recent appeal to titus for example). i can't see anything that really strikes me as town posting in their ISO, recently or earlier in the game. their whole game has basically been built around not making any waves, not being in the thick of anything, and not really pushing anything themselves.

i don't really think either of them is town and it wouldn't surprise me if they're both scum actually (prob not together though coz i dunno how much sense it makes for both of them to be on the bus early with that mnem thing)

[zMuffinMan]

guessing the remaining scum is {kk, jbomber, TV} actually

[zMuffinMan]

Vote: jbomber

[zMuffinMan]

I want to vote the opposite of what zMuffinMan is voting.

Vote: jbomber

?

[zMuffinMan]

just read jbomber's posts on this page alone

[zMuffinMan]

muffin's SOOOO scum

nope

[zMuffinMan]

i was summarizing what i thought was khan's recent line of posting in the last page, not my own thoughts

right. kk isn't hiding the fact he's scum. but that doesn't make jbomber any less scum

[zMuffinMan]

IM NOT DAZZLED MUFFIN
NOT
DAZZLED

i wish i could give more of a shit than i do but i don't

i think jbomber is scum. i'm not averse to lynching kk, and if jbomber doesn't happen i'll probably join you, but it's nice here on the jbomber wagon. there's good food, alcohol (or non-alcoholic drinks if you're a pussy),, and we're just generally having a good time here. if that sounds like fun to you, come join us

[zMuffinMan]

that

[zMuffinMan]

also tumbleweeds

[zMuffinMan]

if you're fucking dumb enough to think i'm scum here, we deserve to lose

[zMuffinMan]

btw, anti,

if you think i would ever choose to unnecessarily bus a buddy with so many other lynch options on the table and risk being cross-killed as scum, then you don't know shit about my scum game

You want me to hammer?

also this post and the ones following it make it so fucking obvious that kk is scum, given his supposed suspicion of me and i think TV (the wagon was titus, me, TV at the time iirc)

Vote: Kublai Khan

[zMuffinMan]

i don't do WIFOM things at the risk of potentially outright losing a game in known multiball

and yes, yes, that's some nice trying to get on anti's good side. kudos to you

[zMuffinMan]

nah, i'm town

if it looks like a kangaskhan and whatever noise a kangaskhan makes like a kangaskhan, etc

[zMuffinMan]

from a strategy standpoint

you're suggesting i was able to predict who the SK was, who they would kill, and that they wouldn't kill me, while unnecessarily bussing a buddy with several other lynch options on the table

. . . . .

[zMuffinMan]

also kingmaker is essentially autoloss for scum so it's fair obvious they'd want to avoid that but whatever

[zMuffinMan]

I wasn't on the mnemonicdevice lynch because I had a strong GreyICE scum-read

you also had me and TV as scum yesterday, stating that you didn't want anything to do with a wagon i was on, but that didn't stop you from offering to hammer (and never actually following through)

[zMuffinMan]

I want to vote the opposite of what zMuffinMan is voting.

then two days later

You want me to hammer?

[zMuffinMan]

also who even asks that

[zMuffinMan]

doesn't matter i wouldn't have hammered anyway

[zMuffinMan]

.

[zMuffinMan]

actually i should just hammer

:/

Vote: Titus

[zMuffinMan]

sorry!

[zMuffinMan]

from a strategy standpoint

you're suggesting i was able to predict who the SK was, who they would kill, and that they wouldn't kill me, while unnecessarily bussing a buddy with several other lynch options on the table

. . . . .

/sigh
no

that would be pretty cool, though

i know, right?

[zMuffinMan]

that's usually how my reads work, too

it's why i'm usually wary when people sheep me

means i'm generally on the wrong track

[zMuffinMan]

that reminds me

i have been meaning to point out that i've never seen hydra confusion come from town but i see it all the time from newbie scum. it came from two newbie scum players in this game (including burn), and i've seen it elsewhere only from newbie scum. would be interested in seeing cases it's come from town, because i'm now taking it as a weak tell that newb-scum use to look like they're thinking about things (obviously could not point this out while this game was ongoing though!)

[zMuffinMan]

The golden rule, man.

If you don't use NAR and still want to call this an open setup, you should detail your night action resolution in the rules next time you run this. I really think town deserved an extra lynch. Besides that and the eye roll on the first page, you guys modded perfectly

they did follow NAR though?

[zMuffinMan]

Killing doesn't stop the actions of the dead player. (Imagine that all kills happen at the end of the night, and everyone pulls the trigger simultaneously.) This means that kills generally do not affect other actions for the purpose of the Golden Rule. One exception is with combinations like Kill versus Recruit; in this case, the kill prevents the recruitment, but the recruitment does not prevent the kill, so by the Golden Rule the kill happen first and the player flips with (and wins with) their old alignment.