NY 174: Oldy Mafia 2 (Game Over)

[mathcam]

Posting from phone in gas station WiFi. Formatting vet hard. PleAs accept this as an official vote

UNVOTE VOTE GLORK

[Bookitty]

UNVOTE: mathcam
VOTE: DrippingGoofball

[mathcam]

Got it

invite, vote: glork

Ebwop oh bookitty...so contrarian...

[CrashTextDummie]

Good effort BooKitty, but Glork has been hammered.

[Bookitty]

Yeah, I just added that up for myself.

[Patrick]

Sorry for delay, in the middle of skype mafia.

Votecount

Glork (11) -- undo, Kublai Khan, VitaminR, Green Crayons, Yosarian2, Albert B. Rampage, Untrod Tripod, DrippingGoofball, chamber, CrashTextDummie, mathcam
CrashTextDummie (1) -- SpyreX
mathcam (3) -- Cogito Ergo Sum, Bookitty, Glork
DrippingGoofball (4) -- Save the Dragons, petroleumjelly, Porochaz, Sotty7

Not voting: MrBuddyLee
20 alive, 11 to lynch

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Glork - Vanilla Townie - lynched day 2

Night 2, with a 72 hour deadline.

[Patrick]

While you were busy watching Belgium-USA, the following happened:

CrashTextDummie - Vanilla Townie - killed night 2
Untrod Tripod - Vanilla Townie - killed night 2

With now a mere 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch someone. You have until the 15th of July.

[Green Crayons]

If that was a vig who killed UT, you should feel bad about your poor decisions.

[Green Crayons]

SpyreX

should post something. Something really, really good.

[Save The Dragons]

Patrick your end of day votecount is inaccurate.

Vote: DGB

I'm still pretty sure she's going to flip red so I'm going to get right to it.

[mathcam]

Yeah, forgot to add in my hammer vote.

I don't think DGB is a horrible choice, but I'm feeling a little gun-shy about my reads given that Glork and UT were both town.

GC: A vig on UT is probably the most likely explanation by far, right? Or is a multiple-kill scum group a plausible option these days?

My goal for the early day today is to go through and look at people I haven't looked at much yet. For example, almost no one to date has said anything against Yos, and that makes me a little nervous.

[chamber]

Do both kills feel remarkably odd to anyone else? They are very very safe.

[chamber]

I mean CTD and shanba not CTD and UT, I'm also assuming UT got viged.

[mathcam]

Isn't safe good for them? Both unclaimed and so potentially power roles, and not the obvious doc protects like masons or someone looking particularly townish.

[mathcam]

And both had no major wagons against them, which is desirable lest they eliminate the next day's likely target anyway (DGB, me, maybe a couple of others).

[Untrod Tripod]

bah!

[Sotty7]

SpyreX

should post something. Something really, really good.

Spryex should die is what he should do.

Vote: Spyrex

[chamber]

Vote sotty

[chamber]

Isn't safe good for them?

I wouldn't expect them to be making kills that are -bad- for them, so yes? I expect them to be making the kills that are best for them though, and them making safe kills suggest they don't feel very threatened by the more vocal players, either because they are wrong, or because they are the scum themselves.

[Green Crayons]

@MBL:

Please explain this:

MrBuddyLee, your vote is on Kublai Khan (replacing Tigris). Your vote has been there the entire game. Kindly move it or make a compelling argument for why we should lynch Kublai Khan.

I'm trying to figure out who's the most likely scum amongst the leading wagons, but

I can't escape the feeling that Tigris/KublaiKhan is equally if not more likely scum.

The slot reeks of "I don't care who gets lynched as long as it's not me." And despite claiming to find both LML and Bookitty scummy early (positing that first impressions are disproportionately important), and having read through page 15-20 or so, KK hasn't placed a vote on either (or anyone). The more I say/argue here on this specific topic, the more I potentially mold KK's post, so zipping it for now.

Two out of

PJ, STD & KK

are scum.

Not sure about KK at this point

.. but there is almost certainly scum in {STD, UT, PJ}. LML looooves to be right, and he really wanted us to know he found those three guys suspect.

[MrBuddyLee]

I changed my mind based on KK's vote. And there's more.. should be apparent to you.

[Green Crayons]

It isn't apparent. That's why I'm asking.

[MrBuddyLee]

PJ made a vote-switch late yesterday that made an LML lynch more of a possibility. His vote simultaneously took the race from like Bookitty 9, LML 3, PJ 3 to 9-4-3. So in addition to the vote being critical to the building of the LML-wagon, it also removed pressure from the PJ-wagon. I've felt that LML bused a scumpartner, and PJ is one of the options in that direction. I am conflicted on PJ, and don't feel today is necessarily the time to focus on him. When people are lynching scum, you generally keep them around.

Is that it? It kinda sounds like you're taking the towniest of the people on the LoudmouthLee wagon and choosing to view their actions through a WIFOMy "must be bussing" filter.

What gives you such a strong feeling that LoudmouthLee bussed a scumpartner?

Do you think scum wanted LML lynched, Bookitty lynched, or a no-lynch?

At what point in time are you asking? Scum-wants changed as the situation grew dire for them.

My question was in response to this comment of yours:

I don't think the attempt was to lynch. I think it was an attempt to create another option to further divide/demoralize the town and create possibility of no lynch.

So basically, I'm asking: do you really feel all three remaining players (MBL, Glork, DGB) from the KK-wagon were voting you to demoralize the town? I can understand "divide"--yes, offering you as an alternative was an invitation to step off other wagons. Of the three of us, only DGB showed a willingness to no-lynch.

I'll break my question down:
1) Do you really think my voting you yesterday and keeping that vote there until deadline-day was designed to result in a no-lynch?
2) Do you think Glork's switch to you 16 hours before deadline was designed to result in no-lynch?
3) Do you believe DGB found both LML and Bookitty too townish to vote for yesterday, or is that implausible?
4) Are you pretty sure that Bookitty is scum? Because if she's town, wouldn't it make more sense for one or more of scum-Glork, scum-DGB and scum-MBL to push for her lynch at 9-3 or 9-5 Bookitty instead of no-lynching or risking an LML lynch?

1. It's a possibility.
2. It's a possibility.
3. It wasn't implausible. When DrippingGoofball said a no lynch was preferred, I tried to ascertain how LoudmouthLee was so town in her view. She didn't answer until Day 2 started, so that answer is weak.
4. There is risk to pushing a competing wagon close to deadline. Maybe they hadn't laid down the proper groundwork for a BooKitty push. But.... It's really, really easy to push a competing wagon on me because I had mostly prod-dodged since replacing in. So it's super easy to shoot a vote on me with a rallying cry of "hey this guy didn't do much and jumped on a wagon towards the end of the day with no case" and maybe it catches on.

Examining those that voted me, only Glork fits that profile. You and DrippingGoofball both expressed early suspicion of the BooKitty slot while Glork declared it super-town. Glork voted me with the reason of "this guy didn't post enough, therefore scum". Plus Glork offered to hammer anyone else immediately after voting LML.

Shit.. Glork is fucking scum.

vote: Glork

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I saw the undo wagon build. It's not a bad pressure wagon but it's a terrible lynch wagon.

I'm not really in the business of exaggerating the town cred of people who aren't on the chopping block. If you really want me to defend KK like I defended Glork yesterday, run up a KK wagon.

[MrBuddyLee]

gah sorry, the quote+ button fails.

[mathcam]

Isn't safe good for them?

I wouldn't expect them to be making kills that are -bad- for them, so yes?

Right, so that's why I was confused that you thought these kills were odd. But your second sentence explains it better.