NY175: Sycamore Scuffle

[shaddowez]

Fuck lets get some reads before we decide on if hammering is town/scum.

Would you be so kind as to provide some of your own reads?

Interesting. NM's paranoia here raises him a bit into the Townie list.

The fact you called him town based on his reaction tells me you know he will flip town.

You voted Wake on the premise that he called NM town, which was not actually what he said. He did imply it, but anyone can do that based on townreads.

[shaddowez]

Also,

unvote

. BP's reasoning seems sound to me at this point in time.

[Toomai]

Votecount D1-4

Sharpest-knife-on-tree	L-10	1	Aegor
Salamence20	L-11	0	—
TheAdrienC	L-11	0	—
reinoe	L-11	0	—
Wake88	L-4	7	Not_Mafia, Salamence20, Clusk92, Scarab, TheAdrienC, reinoe, BP
Burning_TowN	L-11	0	—
shaddowez	L-11	0	—
Damon_Gant	L-11	0	—
Mirhawk	L-11	0	—
Not_Mafia	L-10	1	Wake88
Aegor	L-11	0	—
Scarab	L-10	1	Mirhawk
farside22	L-11	0	—
Boonskiies	L-10	1	Alina
BroodKingEXE	L-11	0	—
Soren	L-11	0	—
Aeronaut	L-11	0	—
HunterSeeker	L-11	0	—
Clusk92	L-10	1	farside22
BP	L-11	0	—
Alina	L-11	0	—

Not voting:

Burning_TowN, Damon_Gant, Boonskiies, BroodKingEXE, Soren, Aeronaut, HunterSeeker, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, shaddowez

Activity

reinoe is V/LA until 08/07/2014.
farside22 is V/LA until 08/07/2014.
Damon_Gant has 24 hours to confirm or be replaced.

Current deadline

27/07/2014 11:27 (EDT)
(expired on 2014-07-27 11:27:31)

[shaddowez]

Mod - I will be V/LA until Sunday, 7/6.

It's just inside prod range, but don't want to just disappear for that long

[Aegor]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Wake88

[TheAdrienC]

Mod, SKOT took his vote off Aegor.

[TheAdrienC]

Never mind, I saw the vote count reversed. Please ignore me.

[Burning_TowN]

Love the detailed analysis, Burning. So much information. A lot of people are really only posting the bare minimum.

Yeah, reasons are for the other guy

I think wake is scum because the hypocrisy and fluff in his opening was terrible. I didn't vote him because he's at L-3. Where I have my mafia roots, L-2 is claim time! Also I'm very paranoid!

Alina just oozes new town

Skot, probtown

-B_E

[Scarab]

Wake's intro is kinda out there. But it seems in character for me.

I'm more interested in the people on his wagon, BP's vote was purely oppertunistic, also Scarab slipped on there in the butter zone as soon as it looked like other people were interested.

Vote: Scarab

You are literally voting me for not sitting at my keyboard refreshing this game. I voted wake

18 minutes after his post

because that's when I saw it. This post of yours is just absolutely blatant opportunism. You acknowledge that there's something off with wake's intro post, then discredit its potential scumminess due to meta that other players may or may not have (hint: I've never read a game that had wake in it), then call people scummy for voting him for that post straight out of the RVS? Yeah, sure.

Unvote: Wake88

Vote: Mirhawk

Wake may or may not be scum, but this guy almost certainly is.



Regarding the SNOT stuff, I actually would be fine with being part of a policy lynch on him. I like policy lynches and this game feels way bigger than I expected.

[HunterSeeker]

I think you guys didn't take my serious vote seriously.

Vote: not_mafia

[Burning_TowN]

And it looks like wake is scum

Funnily enough, I'm not suspicious of him. And you forgot to sign you post >.<

Well, yeah, I'm still reaction testing.

I'm gonna milk this cow for all it's worth.

Moocows.

Love the detailed analysis, Burning. So much information. A lot of people are really only posting the bare minimum.

Yeah, reasons are for the other guy

I think wake is scum because the hypocrisy and fluff in his opening was terrible. I didn't vote him because he's at L-3. Where I have my mafia roots, L-2 is claim time! Also I'm very paranoid!

Alina just oozes new town

Skot, probtown

-B_E

SKOT isn't the smartest branch on the tree but I agree that he is probably town.
I actually feel that Wake is town, he did help to move things out of RVS after all, even if it was at his own expense.

Wake's intro is kinda out there. But it seems in character for me.

I'm more interested in the people on his wagon, BP's vote was purely oppertunistic, also Scarab slipped on there in the butter zone as soon as it looked like other people were interested.

Vote: Scarab

You are literally voting me for not sitting at my keyboard refreshing this game. I voted wake

18 minutes after his post

because that's when I saw it. This post of yours is just absolutely blatant opportunism. You acknowledge that there's something off with wake's intro post, then discredit its potential scumminess due to meta that other players may or may not have (hint: I've never read a game that had wake in it), then call people scummy for voting him for that post straight out of the RVS? Yeah, sure.

Unvote: Wake88

Vote: Mirhawk

Wake may or may not be scum, but this guy almost certainly is.

I doubt Wake is scum, I know he knows how to fly under the radar. Also, this is a Large Normal.

VOTE: reinoe

You ought to post more. Talk to me. Who are your top town reads and who are you most suspicious of, besides Wake?

p-edit: What do you mean, HunterSeeker?

~tn5421

Toomai edited this post to fix busted quotes.

[Burning_TowN]

Oh crap, my quote tags broke.

@MOD: Can you fix my quote tags in the above post. The first part I wrote was "I doubt Wake is scum". The scarab quote is supposed to go down to "Wake may or may not be scum, but this guy almost certainly is."

Will do.

[Not_Mafia]

I actually feel that Wake is town, he did help to move things out of RVS after all, even if it was at his own expense.

He got us out of RVS by being scumread so I don't see how that's relevant

[Burning_TowN]

I actually feel that Wake is town, he did help to move things out of RVS after all, even if it was at his own expense.

He got us out of RVS by being scumread so I don't see how that's relevant

You scumreading him for his playstyle isn't exactly relevant either.

~tn5421

[BP]

I don't know if not_mafia has disregarded the votes on him because he wants to scum hunt even if he's being looked at or if he's pretending there wasn't heat on him.

I just don't know. Town or mafia, no read on him.

Same for AdrienC. Don't know if his jumpyness is because his scum or plain newb.

Eyes on Scarab.

Like Alina as town.

[Not_Mafia]

I actually feel that Wake is town, he did help to move things out of RVS after all, even if it was at his own expense.

He got us out of RVS by being scumread so I don't see how that's relevant

You scumreading him for his playstyle isn't exactly relevant either.

~tn5421

So you've seen him do this before?

[Clusk92]

I'm a bit paranoid when people follow me.
Can you explain what you don't like about that post?

*puts SNOT on ignore*

Sigh that's better maybe a stuff drink too.

It's actually kind of hard for me to put my suspicion into words, I sat here for like 5 minutes trying to figure out how to phrase it. It just feels kind of off in general. It might be the wording. It feels like he's setting up so that he can say "oops," if wake flips town.

Not really what I was thinking but interesting POV.

I was more looking at his post of suspicion on sal for asking people to vote for wake, but his next line he has wake as a scum read. This is something of a newb scum tell (well maybe to me) you set up someone suspicious for pushing a lynch that you can point to later. The fact that clusk finds wake the scummiest added to my suspicion of his comment.
Short response: pushing a wagon on a player you find scummy shouldn't bother you when you were following that players logic in the first place.

So you think people should vote for somebody just because someone told them to without coming to a conclusion themselves and thats ok? Righto. Also my scumreads are totally irrelevant to the point I'm making.

Weirdly enough even though I think SKOT is batshit crazy, he stills comes across as town to me, and I am not a fan of policy lynches, 100% of the time policy lynches are bad.

[BP]

I think that I agree with Freudian Slip there on posts 212 and 215

[farside22]

I'm a bit paranoid when people follow me.
Can you explain what you don't like about that post?

*puts SNOT on ignore*

Sigh that's better maybe a stuff drink too.

It's actually kind of hard for me to put my suspicion into words, I sat here for like 5 minutes trying to figure out how to phrase it. It just feels kind of off in general. It might be the wording. It feels like he's setting up so that he can say "oops," if wake flips town.

Not really what I was thinking but interesting POV.

I was more looking at his post of suspicion on sal for asking people to vote for wake, but his next line he has wake as a scum read. This is something of a newb scum tell (well maybe to me) you set up someone suspicious for pushing a lynch that you can point to later. The fact that clusk finds wake the scummiest added to my suspicion of his comment.
Short response: pushing a wagon on a player you find scummy shouldn't bother you when you were following that players logic in the first place.

So you think people should vote for somebody just because someone told them to without coming to a conclusion themselves and thats ok? Righto. Also my scumreads are totally irrelevant to the point I'm making.

Weirdly enough even though I think SKOT is batshit crazy, he stills comes across as town to me, and I am not a fan of policy lynches, 100% of the time policy lynches are bad.

Sure if you believe people are mindless zombies or scum that latch onto and buddy a person.

Now tell me how a plastering saying vote wake is manipulating a person's vote.

[farside22]

Sorry post preview is not my speciality

Now tell me how a plastering saying vote wake is manipulating a person's vote.

This should say player not plastering.

[Clusk92]

How is a player ordering/pressuring somebody (twice) to vote for someone

not

manipulative?

[TheAdrienC]

How is a player ordering/pressuring somebody (twice) to vote for someone

not

manipulative?

It depends on how the person being voted flips. If he's pushing for a lynch on someone who turns up scum, I don't think it's manipulative at all. He's trying to rally the troops in that instance. If he ends up flipping town, okay, that looks pretty manipulative.

Although Wake hasn't responded in awhile since a lot of the later votes were put on him. This is why my vote remains on him.

[TheAdrienC]

And it looks like wake is scum

Funnily enough, I'm not suspicious of him. And you forgot to sign you post >.<

Well, yeah, I'm still reaction testing.

I'm gonna milk this cow for all it's worth.

Moocows.

Love the detailed analysis, Burning. So much information. A lot of people are really only posting the bare minimum.

Yeah, reasons are for the other guy

I think wake is scum because the hypocrisy and fluff in his opening was terrible. I didn't vote him because he's at L-3. Where I have my mafia roots, L-2 is claim time! Also I'm very paranoid!

Alina just oozes new town

Skot, probtown

-B_E

SKOT isn't the smartest branch on the tree but I agree that he is probably town.
I actually feel that Wake is town, he did help to move things out of RVS after all, even if it was at his own expense.

Wake's intro is kinda out there. But it seems in character for me.

I'm more interested in the people on his wagon, BP's vote was purely oppertunistic, also Scarab slipped on there in the butter zone as soon as it looked like other people were interested.

Vote: Scarab

You are literally voting me for not sitting at my keyboard refreshing this game. I voted wake

18 minutes after his post

because that's when I saw it. This post of yours is just absolutely blatant opportunism. You acknowledge that there's something off with wake's intro post, then discredit its potential scumminess due to meta that other players may or may not have (hint: I've never read a game that had wake in it), then call people scummy for voting him for that post straight out of the RVS? Yeah, sure.

Unvote: Wake88

Vote: Mirhawk

Wake may or may not be scum, but this guy almost certainly is.

I doubt Wake is scum, I know he knows how to fly under the radar. Also, this is a Large Normal.

VOTE: reinoe

You ought to post more. Talk to me. Who are your top town reads and who are you most suspicious of, besides Wake?

p-edit: What do you mean, HunterSeeker?

~tn5421

Did you vote for someone who is on V/LA for not posting enough? Or change your vote midpost?

[TheAdrienC]

My top townread is Alina at the moment. Despite his anger and my annoyance at him, I'm pretty sure Aegor is town too. Slightly lesser town reads of mine are farside and not_mafia.

My other scumreads not named Wake are HunterSeeker and boonskiies. Both of them have posted and been online but have not contributed at all or helped us scumhunt. Everyone else I see is pretty null at the moment.

[farside22]

How is a player ordering/pressuring somebody (twice) to vote for someone

not

manipulative?

Did he threaten the player? No. He made a statement.
Again people have a brain and can decide to vote or not vote.
Telling a player to vote once or twice is not manipulation. It's a request, so far you haven't explained how it manipulation.