NY175: Sycamore Scuffle

[TheAdrienC]

I know I had a town read on Salamance, but scumbuddies?

[Wake1]

Boon is obvtown, knock it off.

I'd like to know what exactly makes him obvtown to you.

If people don't agree with you then should can and will simply disregard your noise.

No one is above inquiry, and you'll not be shielding anyone from suspicion here.

I want to know exactly why you think he's obvtown when he isn't, and why you feel the need to try and put yourself between him and other players.

What has he done to be scum?

You will reply by saying active lurking.

I will counter by saying I would lurk actively if I suddenly saw 20 pages too.

What has he done to be anything? That's the point. He hasn't done much. However, you and I both know that effort, content, and post count is NOT indicative of alignment. Anti-Town? Lazy Town? Sure. But don't try to bullshit us with your puffed chest about how he must be actively lurking, or Scum for not doing much.

Here, let's get down to brass tacks. Use as few words as possible:


Why

exactly

do you suspect Boonskies?


No bullshit. Just answer the question and keep it brief.

[Wake1]

My top is still Scarab.

Also slight scumread on Clusk.

Mind explaining this in more detail, please?

[Not_Mafia]

Are you caught up Wake?

[Wake1]

Are you caught up Wake?

No, I'm not. And no, that's not good enough reason for you to bitch.

Did skim through some crap about ordering and manipulation, but that whole issue is largely a distraction.

Going through at my own pace, as

[Wake1]

*as I wish.

[Not_Mafia]

Didn't mean it as an accusatory question

[Wake1]

Didn't mean it as an accusatory question

Sure you didn't.

It's not like we're playing Mafia where murderous people look anywhere they can for BS reasons to lynch Townies.

No, I will play at my own pace. I don't have to read every single post in this huge game just to be caught up.

[Wake1]

Not_Mafia, what do you think of AdrienC?

[BP]

Not_Mafia*, I meant Not_Mafia!

Didn't mean it as an accusatory question

Sure you didn't.

It's not like we're playing Mafia where murderous people look anywhere they can for BS reasons to lynch Townies.

No, I will play at my own pace. I don't have to read every single post in this huge game just to be caught up.

Don't let the paranoids get to you, Wake.

[Salamence20]

I dont suspect him.

[shaddowez]

First of all, hope everyone that celebrates had a nice 4th!

Holy shit - 3 days, and 16 pages worth of stuff to go through. I tried keeping up while away, but need to do much more. Gonna take me some time and a few posts, but I'll do what I can.

Everyone:


TOP SCUMREAD. GO.

Boosnkiies, for clear active lurking, self-voting, useless votes, and AtE.

I have two - HS and Clusk.

HunterSeeker

. He has had a total of three posts since game start (5 if you include confirm phase). One of them is an RVS vote that he hasn't moved, and two of the five are basically "Hey, don't look at me guys, look at everyone else!"

Hi I'm mafia

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Thanks for the replies guys. I was super town just from asking that question. At least I 100% townread my self.

Hey we are not letting the scums coast to victory here are we. Let's push on some of the lurkers here.

There has been absolutely no content from him, no reads list, no explanation of his vote on NM, and he seems to be posting purely to avoid prods. It's mostly a gut instinct at this point, as the lack of content makes it a WIFOM argument.

HS:

Please provide a reason for your vote still being on NM, as well as a readslist (at least of your top scumread, which was already asked).

Clusk.

Clusk jumped on the Wake wagon pretty early on, and hasn't provided any meaningful content to support that vote yet. He then draws attention to Salamence with his "manipulation" theory, makes a number of posts about it (#132,#216,#220, and #226), then says this:

In post 229, TheAdrienC wrote:
If you truly believe that he is manipulating the town, why aren't you voting for him? Show some backbone. Personally, I believe it was a request than a demand.

Because despite that one post, he's generally seemed like town to me. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Top scumreads atm are Boon, Wake and Scarab

Again, he lists scumreads without any reasoning.

He's also skirted answering questions, and finishes his last post with:

I'll explain mine later if it makes you happy, can't be bothered atm.

Things aren't adding up for me. Until his reads list, and probably more info from him,
VOTE: Clusk

[farside22]

I don't think Farside has a strong case against me. I will debate as soon as opportunity arises.

Grant seems to genuinely be just catching up as best he can, but it's been lazy so far. Joining latest wagon, but for a valid reason...

Why are you so quick to defend grant? Why is his reason valid when be's barely saying anything if value himself?

[Mirhawk]

@Wake
I already posted my reasons for thinking Scarab is scum, is there a specific point you want clarification on?

I can't remember specifically why I thought Clusk was scummy, though if you want I can go back and find it. I think it had to do with his responses to some of the questions he was asked.

[farside22]

Is BP known for ignoring questions?

Would not surprise me considering I pointed out his avoidance of scarabs rebuttle.

[farside22]

Are you caught up Wake?

No, I'm not. And no, that's not good enough reason for you to bitch.

Did skim through some crap about ordering and manipulation, but that whole issue is largely a distraction.

Going through at my own pace, as

Till someone named clusk wants to explain how sal was manipulating or if you find it crap tell me how sal manipulated votes.....because he didn't

[Wake1]

I can't remember specifically why I thought Clusk was scummy, though if you want I can go back and find it.

If you want to have my ear in this game, you would.

Till someone named clusk wants to explain how sal was manipulating or if you find it crap tell me how sal manipulated votes.....because he didn't

Don't advertisements do this, where they say things like "Come here, buy now!:, etc, because it leaves an impression? I remember reading somewhere that it was part of the psychology behind influencing people to come in and buy.

[farside22]

I can't remember specifically why I thought Clusk was scummy, though if you want I can go back and find it.

If you want to have my ear in this game, you would.

Till someone named clusk wants to explain how sal was manipulating or if you find it crap tell me how sal manipulated votes.....because he didn't

Don't advertisements do this, where they say things like "Come here, buy now!:, etc, because it leaves an impression? I remember reading somewhere that it was part of the psychology behind influencing people to come in and buy.

I thought that was commercial advertise handbook to those who are without friends and want to feel special?

[Mirhawk]

@Wake
It was his insistence that Sal was scummy for encouraging people to vote with him, and how he later claimed Sal was manipulative for doing so. When pressure started being applied he backed off saying that he thought Sal was town anyways. Which is silly as if he thought Sal was town why undermine him by calling him manipulative.

[Toomai]

Votecount D1-11

Sharpest-knife-on-tree	L-9	2	Aegor, Salamence20
Salamence20	L-11	0	—
TheAdrienC	L-11	0	—
reinoe	L-11	0	—
Wake88	L-9	2	Clusk92, reinoe
Burning_TowN	L-11	0	—
shaddowez	L-11	0	—
Damon_Gant	L-11	0	—
Mirhawk	L-10	1	Scarab
Not_Mafia	L-10	1	HunterSeeker
Aegor	L-11	0	—
Scarab	L-8	3	Mirhawk, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, BP
farside22	L-11	0	—
Boonskiies	L-10	1	Burning_TowN
BroodKingEXE	L-11	0	—
Soren	L-11	0	—
Aeronaut	L-11	0	—
HunterSeeker	L-6	5	TheAdrienC, Alina, Not_Mafia, Aeronaut, Damon_Gant
Clusk92	L-8	3	farside22, Boonskiies, shaddowez
BP	L-11	0	—
Alina	L-11	0	—

Not voting:

BroodKingEXE, Soren, Wake88

Activity

Soren has ~16 hours to respond to prod or be replaced.
Sharpest-knife-on-tree is due for a prod in ~21 hours.
Scarab is due for a prod in ~24 hours.
reinoe is V/LA until 08/07/2014.
farside22 is V/LA until 08/07/2014.

Current deadline

27/07/2014 11:27 (EDT)
(expired on 2014-07-27 11:27:31)

[Aegor]

I am caught up, but have no strong feelings about the most recent debates and BP v. farside etc.

Lurkers, please respond.

[shaddowez]

One thing I didn't understand upon review of this thread was shaddowez's comment after his vote of Alina in 43. It probably means nothing, but I would appreciate that bit of enlightenment none-the-less.

Wake:

I know Alina answered this already, but since it was my comment I figured I'd reply to it directly as well. Alina placed her vote on me during RVS in our previous game together, so that was the basis for my RVS here.

Reinoe

- Not sure what to think right now. He has minimal content regarding his vote on Wake in his initial post, then doesn't elaborate much in his followup in post 79

What gets me the most is this post:

Scumhunting from my phone.

I understand he's V/LA and only reading/posting from his phone, but unless I'm missing something there's little to no scumhunting going on.
Reinoe, when you get a chance please provide your top scumread, and if you're going to keep your vote on Wake please provide info from more than just his intro post as to why.

Boonskies

- Not quite sure where to start with you. You're talking a lot of fluff, making statements you're not following up on, and all-in-all making a terrible case for yourself.

I did post.

This is extremely weak, and not useful at all. I would not consider "Hmm" or "Sup" as posting outside of prod dodging.

OMGUS
VOTE: Aegor

@Alina - I've read like the first four pages, and plan on reading the rest when I get to my computer. I fell too far behind, and hadn't had time to do any actual in-depth reading. But tonight, I'll catch up.

You admittedly OMGUS vote Aegor, and offer no other reasoning. Your second part of the post is that you'll catch up, and that was three days ago. You've yet to post anything worthwhile.

Yeah, scarab! You kill him in the night!

AtF? Role fishing? I'm not even sure what these posts are supposed to mean.

I posted more so I wouldn't get prodded..
Sure, I'll OMGUS once again. This one makes more sense though.
VOTE: TheAdrienC
Reasonings later. In the middle of something right now.

Again, no reasonings ever provided.

VOTE: Boonskiies

here, I'll help you until I catch up on the thread. Go ahead and lynch me for 'lack of content' even though I've blatantly said I haven't had any time to read the thread. Damn...ignorance.

AtE?

You then say that Adrien/Clusk are your scum reads in Post #302 and you'll vote for either, then in Post #323 you vote Clusk. Why not put the vote back on Adrien (the one it was on before you decided to pity-vote yourself.

It's a problem with my play. I always come off as scummy when I'm town. Even if I scumhunt to the max.

You're certainly not helping your case by not doing anything at all.

Boon, please provide all of the reads and reasonings you've been promising, even if they're not where your vote currently lies.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

interesting shift...

[TheAdrienC]

interesting shift...

Hi! While you're online, would you like to give us reads?

[Aeronaut]

Boon is obvtown, knock it off.

I'd like to know what exactly makes him obvtown to you.

If people don't agree with you then should can and will simply disregard your noise.

No one is above inquiry, and you'll not be shielding anyone from suspicion here.

I want to know exactly why you think he's obvtown when he isn't, and why you feel the need to try and put yourself between him and other players.

What has he done to be scum?

You will reply by saying active lurking.

I will counter by saying I would lurk actively if I suddenly saw 20 pages too.

You see though, if you are actively lurking, which means actively not contributing to finding scum, you would not be helping the town. If you aren't pro-town, you're anti-town. So that's why my vote is staying where it is