Serum & Steel 2: The Rise of Phyrexia--Endgame

[Natirasha]

Vote Count 1.8

Spoiler: Lynch

Albert B Rampage(1)

: Lord Mhork

PeregrineV(0)

:

Antihero(0)

:

massive(0)

:

pixel(1)

: Antihero

Kagami(1)

: sharpest-knife-on-tree

Tattletale(0)

:

zMuffinMan(1)

: PeregrineV

Magister Ludi(0)

:

Titus(3)

: Magister Ludi, Tattletale, Pander Bear

Trustworthy(1)

: Albert B. Rampage

mastin2(0)

:

Pander Bears(5)

: massive, iamsteve, zMuffinMan, Pander Bears, mastin2

Vezokpiraka(1)

: Kagami

sharpest-knife-on-tree(4)

: vezokpiraka, Trustworthy, Chandra Nalaar, pixel

PHANTOM(0)

:

Chandra Nalaar(0)

:

iamsteve(0)

:

Lord Mhork(0)

:

No Lynch(0):

Not Voting(1)

: Titus

Spoiler: Serum

Albert B Rampage(0)

:

PeregrineV(0)

:

Antihero(2)

: Kagami, mastin2

massive(0)

:

pixel(0)

:

Kagami(1)

: PeregrineV

Tattletale(0)

:

zMuffinMan(0)

:

Magister Ludi(0)

:

Titus(1)

: Chandra Nalaar

Trustworthy(1)

: Tattletale

mastin2(0)

:

Pander Bears(1)

: Lord Mhork

Vezokpiraka(1)

: vezokpiraka

sharpest-knife-on-tree(0)

:

PHANTOM(0)

:

Chandra Nalaar(0)

:

iamsteve(0)

:

Lord Mhork(0)

:

No Lynch(0):

Not Voting(12)

: Albert B. Rampage, Antihero, massive, pixel, zMuffinMan, Magister Ludi, Trustworthy, Pander Bears, sharpest-knife-on-tree, PHANTOM, iamsteve, Titus

Spoiler: Mycosynth

Albert B Rampage(0)

:

PeregrineV(0)

:

Antihero(0)

:

massive(0)

:

pixel(0)

:

Kagami(0)

:

Tattletale(1)

: PeregrineV

zMuffinMan(0)

:

Magister Ludi(0)

:

Titus(0)

:

Trustworthy()

:

mastin2(0)

:

Pander Bears(0)

:

Vezokpiraka(1)

: Chandra Nalaar

sharpest-knife-on-tree(1)

: mastin2

PHANTOM(0)

:

Chandra Nalaar(0)

:

iamsteve(0)

:

Lord Mhork(0)

:

No Lynch(0):

Not Voting(16)

: Albert B. Rampage, Antihero, massive, pixel, Kagami, Tattletale, zMuffinMan, Magister Ludi, Trustworthy, Pander Bears, vezokpiraka, sharpest-knife-on-tree, PHANTOM, iamsteve, Lord Mhork, Titus

With nineteen alive, it takes ten to reach majority.

[Titus]

Mastin - Regarding my first votes. That was RVS. First category, random scum vote. Second category, who is the most useful if town and the easiest to track if scum? Third category, who is the what the fuck player... the one that usually makes no sense regardless. It's long gone by now... in fact my votes aren't on anyone. Now that Trustworthy is town and not scum, I'm kinda at a loss here.

Also, you better not be deadweight this game. I'll keep peppering you with questions until you stay useful. You're my logical buddy. You can highlight bad premises in my thinking. For instance, look at Trustworthy. I have absolutely no gameplay reason to think they are town. Yet, I'm 99% sure they are town. Definitely sure enough where I won't be lynching or synthing them today. Where did I go wrong?

Your analysis here, although it won't tell me anything I don't already know about Trustworthy will tell me a lot about you and your alignment. So answer me. What was wrong in my Trustworthy analysis?

[mastin2]

@Chandra regarding 136. If you know, you know. If you don't. You don't. Explaining is beyond antitown. Trustworthy is playing suboptimally but they are town. It's something we just know.

Totally believe this.

By the way, took a look at google for my serum ability, and combined with my card's ability, I'm like 90% certain I know what my power is.
And good

god

I hate being that role. Don't give me serum. Last time I had that ability was in 2009 if my memory serves, and the game was best served by me having never used it. It's seriously not a good role for me to have.

I will policy lynch the fuck out of you if you do any of the following:

• Lynch without a claim
  
• Lynch before serum/synth have been hammered
  
• Lie about being metal when you claim (fuck you and your shitty gambits, don't even try it, I don't give a fuck if you think you're smarter than everyone else and you know what's best)
  
• Anything else I think is bad play

Regardless of zMuffinman's alignment (which I do lean town on), this is a pretty dang solid policy to take just in general.

and the fact that i've got haters is telling me i'm on the right track.

Eh, lategame-Anti is generally better than earlygame-anti, but I do think that you're right that you're at least onto the right track roughly if not exactly. (I got no read on pixel, btw.)

Vote: Trustworthy

LOL

Kinda expecting, I dunno...more? From you.

[Titus]

your posts are so lifeless, mastin, and i don't think apathy has anything to do with that

try to fix that by the time i get back from shops or i'll be on you until you die

Where's that content I've been asking for?

[zMuffinMan]

i don't actually read your posts

didn't read the above, just intuited what you said

[pixel]

(I got no read on pixel, btw.)

I should hope not given you can't even tell whose posts are whose.

[mastin2]

Vote: Pander Bears

Screw it, I'll lose to this zMuffinman since I'm not really going to bother checking his post for an alignment and am just gonna assume he's town.

190 pushes pixel into minorly-very-muchly maybe-possibly-scum, btw.

190 is :scumposting:

Kinda actually agree. 'Specially since it means the rest of posting was ffery when her posting seems not-ffery. (Oh, god, let's please not go there again and just say that this assessment is a gut feeling with absolutely zero strength behind it, could be 99% wrong, and please leave it at just that for now?)

[pixel]

jesus christ.

This is going to be one of those games where I take a lot of unbookmark breaks, isn't it?

[mastin2]

are you scum who is going to constantly use apathy as the excuse for not playing like you do when you're town?

No, but given my request for someone to call me scum for this exact reason (how the bloody hell did you manage to post this before I actually made that post?), I wouldn't exactly mind you assuming I am. (It'd probably end up creating frustration at you ignoring my input by thinking I'm scum, and frustration has a funny way of being apathy's opposite.)

Oh, and liking Chandra's posts, also. No baseline for comparison, though.

Chandra's identity isn't hard to figure out, but what can be made of knowing Chandra's identity is where the challenge lies; I don't know how much of my love/hate relationship with Chandra is off of the main and off of the alt, since the two do have differing styles. (Which is, ironically, basically exactly what Chandra says. Baseline exists, using it might end badly.)

I'm gonna give some of my reads right now. I find PeregrineV and Titus as my top 2 town. Both seem to be making strong posts and asking the right questions and I have a town vibe from both of them. I'm also leaning town on SKOT, more because I agree with his view on self-serum votes. It's suspect when somebody is trying to push the wagon to give them more power, which I feel can only be scum motivated. I'm also feeling Trustworthy as town, but that's just a very weak feeling.
On the other hand, I see Pander Bears as my top scum. They seemed to be quick on the defense when talking about that self-serum vote Vezo made, which again I find it to be more motivating to scum rather than town. Plus, their vote to lynch is on Titus which I do not understand at all. Pixel is another who I'm leaning scum towards. I don't agree with his reads at all. In fact, his are the complete opposite of mine lol. I just find it odd he would put somebody a town read on Pander over others who are more obvious choices.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pander Bears

I like this slot for some reason. Dunno why. Think it has to do with the townreads on PV and Titus, while also townreading SKOT which is the hard way to go and has much weaker reasons. (Reasons Chandra calls phantom out on.) But still seeming consistent, not forced about it, and also not WKing.

[mastin2]

your posts are so lifeless, mastin, and i don't think apathy has anything to do with that

Well it's not a scum role PM, so apathy's my best guess. It could be something else, I suppose, but I do agree, it's kinda lifeless. Like, I know I can sometimes have slowish sluggish starts as town that aren't exactly integrated, but never this badly.

try to fix that by the time i get back from shops or i'll be on you until you die

Well, I am kinda trying to fix it, but it's not exactly going so well. :/ I mean, the fact that I wouldn't particularly mind you deathtunneling me is kinda a bit of a tipoff about that. No sadness at you being wrong, no glee at you being wrong, just acceptance of you having been wrong but not particularly minding it. And knowing, "meh, probably my fault".

[Titus]

Chandra's an alt? Aww fuck...now that adds bias interpretations to the posts that I won't see...

[pixel]

hmm

shoe dropped.

footnoting the hell out of that town read.

[Antihero]

do me a solid and help me jumpstart a pixel wagon, mastin?

[pixel]

Anti-hero

antih-ero

ant-ihero

why are you so bad at reading us?

[mastin2]

Also, you better not be deadweight this game. I'll keep peppering you with questions until you stay useful. You're my logical buddy. You can highlight bad premises in my thinking. For instance, look at Trustworthy. I have absolutely no gameplay reason to think they are town. Yet, I'm 99% sure they are town. Definitely sure enough where I won't be lynching or synthing them today. Where did I go wrong?

I probably am, 'specially since if I got serum, I'd heavily be considering flat-out not using the power it's likely to grant. (I might under specific special circumstances, but otherwise, heck no.) But as for Trustworthy, best answer I've got is saying you went wrong in having no gameplay reason to think they are town.

[pixel]

Either mastin is doing some next-level meta-fuckery or that slot's town.

[Titus]

Pixel, clearing based off meta alone is bad. Mastin's probably town but that looks like a white knight. Scum, after all, do benefit about me mistrusting Trustworthy provided she is probably town.

Mastin, are you scumreading Trustworthy? My role PM literally says that Trustworthy is in the game. You can't get more town than that unless this game is royally fucked up somehow. So I'm starting from the position that my reads were wrong somewhere. I need to sit back and think about what I was doing. If it wasn't for that, I would probably be deathtunnelling Trustworthy into the ground given how anti-town their play has been.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I like this slot for some reason. Dunno why. Think it has to do with the townreads on PV and Titus, while also townreading SKOT which is the hard way to go and has much weaker reasons. (Reasons Chandra calls phantom out on.) But still seeming consistent, not forced about it, and also not WKing.

I can potentially buy this.

hmm

shoe dropped.

footnoting the hell out of that town read.

There you go, that's the ticket!

[Antihero]

Anti-hero

antih-ero

ant-ihero

why are you so bad at reading us?

ok, what meta are you invoking?

last time i "read" you was in arcadia and i read you just fine there, tyvm.

[mastin2]

Either mastin is doing some next-level meta-fuckery or that slot's town.

I am fully capable of doing next-level meta-fuckery.
You personally witnessed me pulling it off, even, in L4D.

But yes I am town.

do me a solid and help me jumpstart a pixel wagon, mastin?

I'd say probably not. Got a gut feeling that it's not going to be productive at this point, their alignment regardless. Talking to them, inquiring about them, pushing them, keeping them in sight, sure, yeah, helpful, but I don't think a wagon will actually accomplish anything. Dunno why, just what I thinking.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Mastin, are you scumreading Trustworthy? My role PM literally says that Trustworthy is in the game.

What? Why is that an autotown thing? Feel free to ignore this question, but if you thought this was clear, it wasn't.

If mastin wasn't asking not to be serumed, I would be seruming her by now.

Pixel might be scum, but as illustrated already, she gets a few days. At some point I may try sticking her in my fires to see how she burns.

[pixel]

Pixel, clearing based off meta alone is bad. Mastin's probably town but that looks like a white knight. Scum, after all, do benefit about me mistrusting Trustworthy provided she is probably town.

Mastin, are you scumreading Trustworthy? My role PM literally says that Trustworthy is in the game. You can't get more town than that unless this game is royally fucked up somehow. So I'm starting from the position that my reads were wrong somewhere. I need to sit back and think about what I was doing. If it wasn't for that, I would probably be deathtunnelling Trustworthy into the ground given how anti-town their play has been.

this is not the head you were replying to, but I will say that our game methodologies are so different that we're unlikely to agree on anything in the early game, and maybe further along than that. The mastin read is a meta-trajectory read. I'm too annoyed atm to put Mastin firmly in our town column, but I see what Kaze is thinking here and directionally I agree.

Regarding your reasons for thinking Trustworthy is town, you should consider the Arcadia game (nati's most recent micro). The specified "is in the game" character name belonged to scum. In fact, it belonged to the Tammy head of the Trustworthy hydra.

I'll need gameplay reasons to consider Trustworthy town.

[Chandra Nalaar]

If mastin wasn't asking not to be serumed, I would be seruming her by now.

On the other hand, if mastin was playing her usual towngame, she would be annoying me by now, and she isn't.

[pixel]

Either mastin is doing some next-level meta-fuckery or that slot's town.

I am fully capable of doing next-level meta-fuckery.
You personally witnessed me pulling it off, even, in L4D.

But yes I am town.

Once again, you're confusing our heads.

[mastin2]

Mastin, are you scumreading Trustworthy?

No? I thought I made the townread there quite clear. Their early-posting looked town, later posting anti-town but not alignment-indicative anti-town to me. Role-reasons augment that plenty enough.