Open 561: Farmer's Market (Game Over)

[hayatoBL]

Sorry. Just read 4 vs Siv. But too tired too analyse everyone.

But Siv lynch is a good lynch, I think. I will elaborate next time, when I have the time.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Well, everyone randomly changing their read on me isn't gonna happen.

So yeah, just in case it does.

VOTE: The bulge

[T S O]

I'm sorry for my shitty activity, guys, doing my best to catch up.

[havingfitz]

Siv lynch is a good lynch, I think.

Considering you've spent much of the game voting with Siv...why do you think he is a good lynch?

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Siv lynch is a good lynch, I think.

Considering you've spent much of the game voting with Siv...

why do you think he is a good lynch?

Um, serious question here.

Why is the bold necessary to say?

[Aronis]

UNVOTE:

[havingfitz]

Siv lynch is a good lynch, I think.

Considering you've spent much of the game voting with Siv...

why do you think he is a good lynch?

Um, serious question here.

Why is the bold necessary to say?

Really? Your question is serious? Not a joke?

But seriously...I think my question is straightforward and self explanatory. It was asked because of the part you bolded and referred to.

How is it confusing to you?

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

That is a serious question.

I mean, I get why your question happens. I just... get why it happens for a different reason than you seem to do. I think. Like, "why does hayato think I'm a good lynch" is a really legitimate question.

But I wasn't talking about your question. I was talking about the bolded bit that preceded the question. Why do you need to bring up that context? It just doesn't seem necessary to me at all.

Also should probably point out that I hodgepodged a reaction test for conf-bias in you lot. And it didn't quite work as planned. Welp.

[Formerfish]

So you are saying we didn't fall for your test, meaning maybe we aren't engaging in as much confbias as you think we are. And if you can't understand why its important for the first part of Fitz's question to be there then I don't know if any amount of explaining will make a difference.

[Aronis]

At this point, I cannot lynch Siv and expect him to flip scum. It's just too easy.

So, I shall. . .

VOTE: hayato

Why did you suddenly support the Siv wagon?

[havingfitz]

Mod....what's up? I'm having Futurama flashbacks....

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

So you are saying we didn't fall for your test, meaning maybe we aren't engaging in as much confbias as you think we are. And if you can't understand why its important for the first part of Fitz's question to be there then I don't know if any amount of explaining will make a difference.

Well...

Nobody reacted to the stuff I tried at all. And I have no idea how to interpret that.

[The Bulge]

At this point, I cannot lynch Siv and expect him to flip scum. It's just too easy.

So, I shall. . .

VOTE: hayato

Why did you suddenly support the Siv wagon?

This vote isn't doing anything.

I'm curious to hear from TSO who has been actively posting elsewhere on the site but not much here.
@TSO - where do you stand on the Siveure case?

We can't end this day until we're sure everyone is on board with the plan. I'm not sure when Robo will be completely available, but we shouldn't end the day until we get some prods/reps. One person failing to give fruit could ruin the whole plan and potentially lead to mislynch.

[havingfitz]

OK...well...T S O is posting like a madman in his other games. Several posts already this morning. Nothing here despite apologies and promises to catch up (for only 9 pages??? C'mon).

innocentvillager has only made one post on site (early Wed morning) since his last (

of 2!

) post in here.

mathbandit made a few posts online last night but nothing in here since Monday.

And last but not least... (redacted).

<4 hours away from an innocent and (redacted) prod. <5 for mathbandit.

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhk.

p.edit (typed this up before Bulge posted essentially the same thing but got distracted....so consider this reiteration)

[mathbandit]

Whoops. Forgot about this game yesterday when I got online. Let me catch up real quick and post.

[Robocopter87]

Hey all, my computer is set to arrive this Friday. I'm actually moving in to this place so it's been super restricting for me to come and help. But THE WAIT IS ALMOST OVER. (Unless the mailing system sucks and keeps the package all weekend too >_>)

BUT FEAR NOT, I HAVE HOPE.

Going back to read right now.

[Robocopter87]

Mod....what's up? I'm having Futurama flashbacks....

NOOOOOO DONT SAY THAT IM JUST MOVING AND ITS HARD SORRY SORRY SORRY

[mathbandit]

Alright, caught up.

I like the Siv wagon. Nothing original to add, mostly would just end up repeating the words of others. But in summation, I like Bulge's points in 120 (I think?) about the flip-flop regarding game theory, and Siv's reaction leads a lot to be desired. Would normally vote Siv here, but I'm unsure of the vote count and so I'll go with a

FoS: Siv

in the meantime.

The other thing that really jumps out at me, though, is Aronis' jump off the wagon. I really don't like it. Nothing really happened between the vote and unvote. Makes me think if Aronis expected a hammer and wanted to be seen on the wagon, but then hopped off claiming it was "too easy" as soon as an alternate suspect presented itself. If Siv flips Scum, I'll want to take a closer look at Aronis and what might have been a badly-executed bus attempt.

[Robocopter87]

--:Vote Count:--

• T S O [ 0 ]
  
• havingfitz [ 0 ]
  
• Siveure DtTrikyp [ 4 ] havingfitz, The Bulge, Formerfish, Bins
  
  
• Aronis [ 0 ]
  
• innocentvillager [ 1 ] mathbandit
  
• The Bulge [ 1 ] Sivuere DtTrikyp
  
• don_johnson [ 0 ]
  
• hayatoBL [ 1 ] Aronis
  
• mathbandit [ 2 ] Don_Johnson, HayatoBL
  
• Formerfish [ 0 ]
  
• Bins [ 0 ]

Not Voting

: innocentvillager, T S O

Amount To Lynch

: With 11 alive it is 6 to lynch

Deadline

: None.

[Robocopter87]

I have updated the OP to reflect replacements. The living players list shows ONLY the currently active player in that slot and not the replacement.

That VC should be accurate, feel free to tell me I'm wrong if your vote is misplaced. I would like to remind people to try and get their vote tags instead of just bolding. It's so much easier to miss on the mafBlack skin.

As for the question about Mafia Daytalk, no the mafia do not have the ability to discuss during the day. They only have night talk.

That should be everything, prods might be needed to be passed out soon so let's do our best to keep this game up and running alright? Thanks guys, Robo Out.

[hayatoBL]

Actually, I have no time for this game. I have time to answer questions, but not enough to analyse posts and figure out people's alignment. Sorry guys. It'll hurt my allignment if I keep playing. And I'm sorry if I sound obnoxious with the plan. I hope you people will play with me again next time.

Sorry, Robocop, I'm replacing out.

Though, here's some explanation:

Well, this might sound strange, but it's true. And I think, I have to come clean. I feel bad while I'm writing it, but town have to tell the truth so...and I'm pretty sure I can think of a much safer story if I'm scum.

Well after I sheeped Siv on the buldge's wagon. This come out:

Sure. But our plan has less holes elsewhere for them to exploit this - if someone dies either the person above them is scum or scum gave fruit to one another. Like, your plan relies on scum mis-stepping to be better than our plan tbh. I don't think this is a good assumption to make. Hmm. You know, I can't actually see whats wrong with it right now. Dangit. I need to go way more in-depth...

I don't like how his opinion changes in mid text. "Your plan has holes." "Hmm...let me think." "Actually, your plan is OK". It feels like buddying. I don't know how else to describe this. Probably, the term "good cop, bad cop" fits here.

He says the other plan is better. Fake a thought process. And then says my plan is better. So that I feel happy....

And then I decided to sheep him again on math this time and see what else he will say. But this time I read math scum also. So, yeah scum read on Siv and math.

I'm not voting Siv, now. I'll let my replacement make a better judgement.

Town feels on IV. He town reads me, while all others were scum-reading or null-reading me. And his reasoning for it was good.

Keep an eye on Aronis. He knows, posting a bad plan is not allignment indicative but jumped on my wagon instead of opposing it.

Look at fitz's questions. Are they really useful or are they there for show.

Formerfish's aggresiveness is town. But it can also mean an attempt to open the lynch pool as wide as possible. You guys be the judge.

Formerfish: Last time we played together, I never asked to be replaced out. Baezu misinterpreted my message. So don't go and meta-read me now.

[Formerfish]

What was the message he misinterpreted?

[mathbandit]

Is tactically replacing out like hayato is doing something common on this site? I've never seen someone do that before.

[hayatoBL]

I'm not voting you to "further my plan", I'm voting you because I think you are scum. Where did this assumption come from? Your plan makes it easier for scum early-game, so I think you are scum. It's that simple. This is nothing but OMGUS.

I'm not pushing for his lynch, I'm pushing my plan.
Also, isn't voting for me based on only this also dependent on playstyle instead of alignment?

So you're voting without pushing for a lynch? Instead, you're pushing your plan? Why exactly aren't you trying to lynch him if you think he's scum?

Separating playstyle (what a player would think, regardless of alignment) from alignment (what the player is doing because they're town/mafia) is pretty much the whole point of mafia, and thus any argument where mafia can bring it down to pure-playstyle (theory questions) is ideal for them. So I think trying to bring the game to playstyle dependent stuff (like which night plan is better) is suspicious.
Voting for you is based on how you did your vote on hayato. Your vote looked like "he's proposing something suboptimal, he's scum" with no real thoughts beyond that. The fact you're pushing the superiority of our plan and not anything else related to hayato, while still calling him scum, is bad.

About your plan, not quite. Any two where one gave fruit to the other CAN be scum together because the first kills and claims giving fruit to the second.

Yep.

But your plan has this problem also.

Sure. But our plan has less holes elsewhere for them to exploit this - if someone dies either the person above them is scum or scum gave fruit to one another. Like, your plan relies on scum mis-stepping to be better than our plan tbh. I don't think this is a good assumption to make. Hmm. You know, I can't actually see whats wrong with it right now. Dangit. I need to go way more in-depth...

I was asking if I could self-hammer to deprive town of info not to replace out. In the PM's title I wrote 'I'm gonna chicken out'. A bit misleading..I would say

[hayatoBL]

I've screwed with the quote, sorry.