NY 174: Oldy Mafia 2 (Game Over)

[DrippingGoofball]

OMGL is scum.

After he replaced into KKscum, he lurked until today, and cast a vote against Sottyscum on DGBtown, a day before deadline. I called him out on being scum and now he's backpedalling, pretending to read the game, and retrospectively justifying his bad vote with fake confirmation bias.

[Sotty7]

The votes might be going away from me but the cat is out of the bag in more ways than one, I am the third mason.

I thought about letting the wagon move away from me naturally as it was, but I want to take any chance of me being the lynch completely off the table so I will confirm.

I'm somewhat annoyed at being put in this position, but it was partially my fault with having a hard time getting a read on a lot of the game and partly a desperation wagon, but there it is.

I'm still pretty sick but I don't really feel like a yos wagon. If nothing else is happening I will have to move my vote over, but why aren't we lynching CES?

[Green Crayons]

Here's who I am leaning scum on: UT, Mathcam, STD, Sotty

This part of the list has been discussed a fair bit today, mostly by DGB, and is a key reason to suspect sotty.

Alternatively, a key reason to suspect STD -- a player who LML was very vocal about suspecting for clearly horrible reasons.

[Green Crayons]

3 masons = 6 scum?

I don't know balance.

[MrBuddyLee]

The main reasons not to vote VitR: he made a significant case early and rode the LML wagon for quite a while. He switched to PJ May 29th, finding PJ's LML vote opportunistic. Then back to LML near deadline, a 20-hour flop back to PJ, then was a crucial #7 vote on LML when Bookitty had 8. Is in the top five people most responsible for LML's lynch. (PJ, Yos, VitR, Glork(for defending Boo) and GC/KK for very different reasons.)

Main reasons to vote VitR: if you believe that 20 hour hop onto PJ end of D1 was a scummy attempt to push either the PJwagon or the Boowagon above LML. If you think his PJ vote out of the blocks D2 and sheep of Glork, lynch of Glork and attempted lynch of Sotty are scummy.

In general, I'd say leave him around and make him the last scum caught if he's scum. It's a stretch to lynch people responsible for lynching scum, unless you don't really have other good options. (Wagons on Glork and PJ were mistakes for that same reason, imo.)

ps. haha masonsss, are you fucking kidding me, lol irl atm

[OhGodMyLife]

I think I must be dangerously right about my scumreads to have gotten DGB so riled up. Also, end of D1 start of D2 how on Earth did chamber and dgb not catch SO MUCH FLAK for preferring a no lynch to an LML lynch?

[Albert B. Rampage]

And of course she's a mason, just as I said, and chamber is still voting for her. Congratulations chamber, and mathcam, you outted a mason. PJ, you did a horrible job of defending Sotty and made it obvious that she was a mason with a defense that didn't make any sense and convinced me that you didn't know what the heck you were talking about because I've been playing with Sotty for as long as you have and knew that you were lying about your meta defense on her. Now if we can put that aside, we can focus on lynching Yosarian.

[Save The Dragons]

Every time I try to post something new happens.

I'd be willing to compromise on Yosarian, but honestly

OMGL is scum.

After he replaced into KKscum, he lurked until today

I'd much rather lynch DGB.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think I must be dangerously right about my scumreads to have gotten DGB so riled up. Also, end of D1 start of D2 how on Earth did chamber and dgb not catch SO MUCH FLAK for preferring a no lynch to an LML lynch?

You're wrong. She gets riled up like this as town.

[chamber]

Unvote Vote Yos

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yosarian is happening, MBL and STD, move your votes.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mathcam, let's go. Undo.

Green Crayons. Stop your DGB bandwagon.

[OhGodMyLife]

Sticking with DGBvote chamber and DGB are at this point much stronger scumreads than Yos

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let it be noted that OGML is scum with Yosarian.

[chamber]

end of D1 start of D2 how on Earth did chamber and dgb not catch SO MUCH FLAK for preferring a no lynch to an LML lynch?

That's not what I said? If it were closer to deadline I would have voted LML. I knew that was the last time I'd be online though, and at that point so much pressure over a Freudian slip, which I've seen go both ways, felt off. I was leaving it to the rest of the town to figure it out and making it clear that I wouldn't be around to vote.

[MrBuddyLee]

How the hell are people getting rock-solid townreads on CES? I have the mildest of townreads on him based on tone but I don't feel like he's getting results this game, which is pretty much the yardstick you have to use for minimalist, highly logical players. Caveat: if 1-2 of Boo, cam, STD are scum, CES IS getting results, or at least trying to.

[chamber]

The only person with a rcok-solid townread on CES is vitR I think?

[Porochaz]

And of course she's a mason, just as I said, and chamber is still voting for her. Congratulations chamber, and mathcam, you outted a mason. PJ, you did a horrible job of defending Sotty and made it obvious that she was a mason with a defense that didn't make any sense and convinced me that you didn't know what the heck you were talking about because I've been playing with Sotty for as long as you have and knew that you were lying about your meta defense on her. Now if we can put that aside, we can focus on lynching Yosarian.

Really? Your going to take the high ground here? I mean he's not exactly subtle, and in case anyone didn't pick up on

the claimed mason saying he was sure someone was town

I also not so subtlety put it out there.

Anyway, just to deflate that balloon of yours, here is the collection of posts you made after pj's post before you changed your vote.

I also

strongly

urge the players voting Sotty7 to move their votes now. I do not claim to be confident somebody is Town lightly. This is not me just thinking Sotty7 is

probably

Town -- I am

sure

she is Town.

LEGGO SOTTY BWANWAGON

Lets think about this one for a few seconds hmmm?

No, we're at deadline. Vote for DGB, Sotty, or Yosarian. I think DGB is town, but other people don't, so there are your choices.

Wow they really are scumming it up to defend Sotty. We'll lynch them one by one after she flips scum. PJ will thank us for it.

"Your cause", mathcam? This is your case. Your cause. We've taken it up because it's strong.

PJ you’re off your rocker. First of all, there can’t be 6 scum left. Second of all, the Sotty bandwagon can’t be made up of mostly scum. That would be atrocious strategy. The Sotty bandwagon isn’t a counter-wagon to save a scumbuddy. It emerged naturally and organically following rigorous debate, discussion and consensus, among an active body of players. I was voting VitaminR, mathcam was reading the game, DGB was using her system, VitaminR was defending his friends and family, Spyrex was reading the game, yet we ALL ARRIVED AT THE SAME CONCLUSION. Granted, there may be one in the group bussing, or there may not be, but it’s a good bandwagon.

Unless, you, PJ, will go into more specificity and detail about why you think Sotty’s play runs parallel to your experience with her in another game, so that we can debunk your careless naiveté, you’re not giving us any reason to believe you or argue against you. Yosarian blindly sheeping you and praising your skill at reading players -which I respectfully disagree with- makes him definite scum.

[OhGodMyLife]

I'm no longer convinced of VitR town and I really don't think Yos and VitR are scum together because:

Unvote, Vote: LoudmouthLee

I'm not a fan of any of the MafiaSSK votes on this page. Feels like a bunch of strong players going for an easy target. I especially don't like LML's #62, which nicely sets up a potential switch to the MafiaSSK wagon while maintaining a push on Tigris. Seems like something scum might do to make sure that two wagons keep momentum.

Her words weren't actually meaningfully responding to the context of the question.

As in: the response was in the abstract rather than talking about what the vote was concretely supposed to do in this game? Meh.

Vote:VitaminR

Either VitR is bussing LML, or Yos is chainsaw defending LML, but not both.

[Porochaz]

ABR lynch would be fine with me at this point. The throwing shit to see what sticks routine has gotten old.

[OhGodMyLife]

DGB is the best lynch by a mile. How did she get her neck out of the noose on day two anyway?

[Albert B. Rampage]

MBL, the question of the hour, do you want to vote for Yosarian, or do you want to vote for DGB?

@Porochaz

Notice how my approach involved 1) defusing the Sotty bandwagon, 2) actively moving players on Sotty’s bandwagon to a new player that hasn’t seen pressure and 3) keeping Sotty in a suspicious position that would decrease her likelihood of being NK’d.

Let’s compare that with your approach of sitting on your hand and see who is more effective.

[OhGodMyLife]

Prozac ABR is town, if you can't work with his current method just ignore him until tomorrow. He'll recalibrate when we lynch dgbscum

[OhGodMyLife]

petroleumjelly, Save the Dragons, Porochaz, Kublai Khan, Porochaz

Two of these players bus'ed LML yesterday, and are currently going after me, the easy lynch-du-jour.

What is this woe-is-me shit? And the self-serving insistence that someone on the lynchwagon was the busser (ignoring her own position on the LML wagon all through the early part of day one)

[DrippingGoofball]

OGML you are so scum. You haven't read the game, and you're more sure than anybody. Plus you've been conveniently lurking until now.