NY 174: Oldy Mafia 2 (Game Over)

[Albert B. Rampage]

OK screw it.

Unvote, vote OGML

This guy is even more confscum than Yosarian.

[OhGodMyLife]

DGB is the best lynch.

If you want to be credible, read the whole game and not just your scum QT.

So your whole goal is to discredit me then?

I don't think you need my help.

You're spending an awful lot of time doing so. I feel like I'm actually the only one who has *recently* read the whole game and you keep getting away with implying that I haven't read the game to dismiss me when there is a whole string of posts that are me reading the actual game. Though it feels like people in this game haven't even bothered to read my posts. Congratulations on having more clout than me.

[OhGodMyLife]

OK screw it.

Unvote, vote OGML

This guy is even more confscum than Yosarian.

That's fucking hilarious weren't you just deciding I was scum because I had to be scum with Yosarian?

[Albert B. Rampage]

5 hours to go before deadline hits, I'm lynching Yosarian or OGML.

[DrippingGoofball]

ABR can you please knock some sense into PJ? Maybe you can get through to him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No, I can't. There's a thick meat shield of Yosarian in the way.

[OhGodMyLife]

PJ is the only one making sense

[mathcam]

mathcam, doesn't that logic sort of invalidate the use of meta always?

It makes it a pretty substantial claim, yes, especially early in the game. I was pretty against glib meta arguments back in the day, and this game has made me doubly so. I'm a firm believer that the circumstances of any individual game do much more to influence player's reactions than does some fixed internal notion of someone's meta, not to mention the fact that it's pretty reasonable to imagine that a playser's base playing style might evolve over time, even from game to game. I'm not saying it's a frivolous activity, or even that it's not worth investigating, but it takes a pretty solid case before I start weighing it in to my deliberations.

[Patrick]

Sneaking on from work and no time for a votecount, but the deadline is 11pm GMT, which is 5 hours and 16 minutes away.

[mathcam]

MBL

, it's becoming increasingly damning that you haven't taken much of a stand on either of CES or DGB, as is your lack of voting for someone lynch-plausible. (I grant that a lot has happened since your vote late last night, but it's not like you were particularly vote-y before that, either).

[Green Crayons]

@mathcam:

your propensity for understandment is well received.

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@ABR:

Green Crayons, why do you town read Yosarian?

It's like you don't even read my posts. I said it here most recently:

What convinced me Sotty is town: she keeps saying things that I literally am thinking (started in D2, continued in D3).
What convinced me Yos is town: he keeps saying things that I literally am thinking (mostly in D1, a bit in D2, not much in D3).

So far, my own thoughts/reactions to the game is one of the better standards for me to measure whether someone else is town. I'm not saying it's fullproof -- because it isn't -- but I'm not going to vote Yos today because of it.

My position on this becomes even more entrenched when other people point out Yos's actions, says that those actions are scummy, but I see those actions reflecting my very play. I know I'm not scum, and while I'm not claiming that my actions are mutually exclusive with scum play, I don't think that I'm exactly scumming it up over here.

Just the most recent example:

MBL, Yos being right every time makes him more scummy not less.

Listen, man:

He was a deciding factor in lynching LML = He knew LML was scum and posted in a way to get town credit
He trusted PJ on Sotty = He knows she's town
He lynched Glork "with reservations" = He knows Glork's town

In my last scum game in a large, Star Wars, I bussed my scumbuddy day 1 in the same way Yos positioned himself against LML. I mean, tell me why you townread Yosarian so much, a real reason. You're just proving my point that Yos is scum with your explanations for why Yos is town.

1) I'm not going to claim to have been a "deciding factor" in LML's lynch, since I was basically just saying over and over again "let's lynch LML" while Yos was pushing hard, but I don't see to terribly big of a gap between myself and Yos on D1 w/r/t LML.

2) I trusted PJ on Sotty not because I was super keen on picking up the fact that he was calling her mason, but because I trust a good player who is confirmed town and who said to trust him on his read.

3) I voted for Glork because I didn't see many good options at the end of D2, and I figured I would at least go back to my initial D2 suspicions. Though I didn't go *siiiigh*why do I have to lynch Gloooork?*siiiigh*, I

was

looking for a viable alterantive, as indicated by my last minute, failed switch to MBL.

[Yosarian2]

Raise your hand if you think VitaminR is scum, and then if you raised your hand vote for him.

I would, but even with both of us, we'd need, what, 7 more votes? Something like that? I don't think there are even that many people online right now.

Same goes for the OGML voters. I don't really think he's scum, but in any case, it's not going to happen today. Get on a real bandwagon.

[DrippingGoofball]

I would, but even with both of us, we'd need, what, 7 more votes? Something like that? I don't think there are even that many people online right now.

Same goes for the OGML voters. I don't really think he's scum, but in any case, it's not going to happen today. Get on a real bandwagon.

I'll vote either of these two.

[Save The Dragons]

Can we all stop arguing with DGB and ABR? In my book, DGB is probably scum, ABR is probably town, but both are being really loud and really unhelpful.

I'm willing to vote CES or DGB today, I'll keep checking the thread and I'm going for whichever wagon is going to seem more possible. Gun to my head I'd compromise on Yosarian (not VitR or OGML) but at this point I think we're more likely to find scum in CES and DGB so I'm not going to do that unless I have to.

We have to stop lynching this way, though.

Cogito Ergo Sum (6) -- Sotty7, Yosarian2, Bookitty, mathcam, Save the Dragons, Green Crayons
VitaminR (3) -- undo, MrBuddyLee, OhGodMyLife
DrippingGoofball (4) -- petroleumjelly, Porochaz, Green Crayons, chamber
OhGodMyLife (2) -- SpyreX, Albert B. Rampage
Yosarian2 (3) -- VitaminR, Cogito Ergo Sum, DrippingGoofball

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Yosarian

[OhGodMyLife]

Unvote, Vote: DGB

[OhGodMyLife]

Who put forward the idea that UT was killed by a vig? I remember DGB saying it.

[Save The Dragons]

I think a couple people mentioned UT might have been vigged at the start of day.

My vote count had GC twice.

Cogito Ergo Sum (6) -- Sotty7, Yosarian2, Bookitty, mathcam, Save the Dragons, Green Crayons
VitaminR (2) -- undo, MrBuddyLee,
DrippingGoofball (4) -- petroleumjelly, Porochaz, chamber, OGML
OhGodMyLife (1) -- SpyreX
Yosarian2 (4) -- VitaminR, Cogito Ergo Sum, DrippingGoofball, ABR

[DrippingGoofball]

Unvote, Vote: DGB

We're not lynching me and having a repeat of the Glork lynch, scum, if the town can get its goddam act together.

[DrippingGoofball]

I have no choice.

VOTE: CES

[Green Crayons]

Who put forward the idea that UT was killed by a vig? I remember DGB saying it.

- I said it first, first post of D3.
- chamber then said shortly thereafter (within ~1 real life day, ~1 game page) that he assumed UT was vig-killed.
- DGB, not long after (but uncertain as to when), then thanked the vig for killing UT (if memory serves).

[DrippingGoofball]

OGML is scum

He hasn't read the game at all

He's just going by the scum QT's Cliff Notes

It's painfully obvious.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm devastated that you numskulls couldn't get your act together and form a vigorous and decisive wagon on OGML.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I just don't see CES flipping scum at this point.

I don't know what I should do.

[Green Crayons]

Vote him and then act smug w/r/t Yos if he flips green.