In post 266, Wake1 wrote:...
I have some thoughts I'd like to share with you all. This is a long read, but it's a thorough one. If you would, please read through it carefully.
Contrary to what some people have said, I'm neither a VI or a bad player. I'm just, well, busy, and I deal with the hand life's given me. You can't control everything, but you can certainly control your reactions to them. ADHD being one of those cards... I've had to take things off my plate in order to allocate time and energy... here. Some of you have probably never played with me before, and if you haven't played with me some 6+ months ago, then what you have seen or heard so far is nowhere close to who I am. It's... complicated. I'm amorphous, and am prone to changing myself on a dime if I feel like it. Posting like Regfan or Mastin comes easy to me, but I do it rarely, because it's rather boring. Sometimes I say and do odd things when bored, or when everyone feels slow to me. I'm a chronic over-thinker, too, thanks to my disorder; it's tough to focus, but when I do, it's at a gifted
level. When I get truly focused, time feels like it stops. My mind's a beautiful mess, but when it finds its lost focus, watch out.
To be honest, I was kinda a dick in Bulba's game. Sorry about that.
HunterSeeker's
28 felt like a fine strand of hair on my skin, perception-wise, because he said he was super town just from asking a question. I'm not sure what the norm is for giving players the benefit of the doubt. Asking the question does not make him super town, but chances are he wasn't serious to begin with... or is new to the game.
I don't get what you're going for here.
Regarding Not_Mafia's
24, it may have been a slip. It may not have. Only he knows. My goal was to metaphorically drop some pebbles into the still waters... and watch the ripples flow. That did happen. His supposed "slip" wasn't an obvious slip... and I think, perhaps, certain players know this.
I'm from his origin site, where things are way more laid back than here. RVS claiming random things is common.
One thing I didn't understand upon review of this thread was shaddowez's comment after his vote of Alina in
43. It probably means nothing, but I would appreciate that bit of enlightenment none-the-less.
Alina, please don't be too quick to judge in posts like
44. I'm not bad at the game; my way of playing is unique only to me. Farside's
47 echoes the fact that she doesn't really know who the person she's talking about is, or what exactly the underlying details are.
My
50 intended to generate reactions. Discussion. Part of being a good Town player is to get people talking. Some may disagree with that, but it's really of little consequence in my book. Not-Mafia decided to react in
51 with a direct vote. He could have chose many different ways to respond, but he chose one. Suffice it to say it did look like an OMGUS, a retaliatory vote for being voted. Yes, NM, I voted for you over your gaffe, and I did FoS someone who did the same. Why? Reactions. I wouldn't say there was much if any fluff in my
50 either, NM; your saying that just sounds like sourness, to be frank. If you're a member of the Town, you would do well to reign in your emotions and hurt feelings when playing this game. No one's perfect, but if you can do that it'd help your gameplay in general. The reason I initially stated your paranoia raised you a bit into the Townie List is because of the way you responded in
55; upon reflection some of it feels like paranoia, and part of it just feels sour.
Emotion's a fair way to read someone. Legit emotion is more commonly seen through town. For example, as town when I'm under the spotlight I get pissed off. Scum me just keeps quiet. There's a balance there. Some emotion helps you relate to others. Too much clouds your reads.
Not sure which post Salamence was referring to in
54 regarding a WIFOM bomb. I say he feels opportunistic in
58. Maybe he was hoping for an easy lynch. Clusk and Scarab feel similarly along those lines. Maybe they really didn't put much forethought into what happened, or they didn't think deeply enough... or they're Scum looking for a fabricated reason to place a vote. At this time it's too early to tell.
A bandwagon may have been excessive, or not (
61). 3 votes in a Day that requires 11 doesn't seem like something to worry that much over. Though, my vote wasn't random, Adrien. I did vote him for what may or may not have been a slip, in hopes of garnering reactions. The additional FoSs were just multi-tasking, fishing for more reactions. And... no... what I did wasn't hypocritical in the slightest. Farside mentioned earlier on PL'ing me for, iirc, being useless. She doesn't know me. At all. What she did was different than me placing a vote on NM for a maybe-slip, and then FoS'ing another player for doing the same thing in order to gain reactions. It's apples and orange, Adrien, and I feel you already know this. At this moment of review, I think your FoS on me was appropriate, because it appears you were curious, albeit somewhat mistaken, I think; cannot say that for others at that anchor in time.
I was—and still am—searching for reactions. Hungry for them, I guess you could say. That you've seen some later-confirmed Townies called Scum for what NM did is only part of your own personal experiences. Do you know if all Townies who maybe-slip get called Scum? Do you, at this moment, think he's Town or Scum over this maybe-slip? You mention this bit, yet you don't vote him, so perhaps you yourself are a Townie who doesn't call Townies Scum for what NM did. Or are you? That I considered him a bit raised in my Town list at that point in time based on his reactions does not, Salamence, mean that I know he'll flip Town. As a member of the Town, I do not know who's who. At the time of your
64 I haven't unvoted, either, because I'm still in the process of gaining reactions. Your "nope" means little here.
I'm kinda curious what's with the IC hat all game going on with you though. Someone mentioned earlier you could have laid low if you wanted. You could also take over as a pseudo-IC to manipulate the way people view what you do into your light.
65 sounds like something I'd hear from a teenage boy at a Yu-Gi-Oh! tournament. How old are you and Salamence, if you would?
Why does this matter?
Farside, in
67 you ask how NM's paranoia was paranoia. The way he responded by mentioning that my vote and FoS were over the exact same thing felt like a Townish thing, an action of vigilance borne of paranoia. From my perspective he actually called part of my initial post "fluff," and insinuated that I could be trying to look like I'm contributing. Knowing the truth from where I stand, that sentiment does indeed feel paranoid. This is furthered by him stating that I pretty much called everyone who posted—sans "/confirm"—Scum. A reach, it would appear, possibly backed by paranoia. In that same post I don't understand your comment about me either joking because of my previous post, and/or calling it an omgus. Would you clarify that bit, please?
Please note in
68 that TheAdrienC moved to vote me without getting more information.
I read it like he implied to leave the wagon if it got too dangerous at first, however in retrospect I see your point.
The more I read it, reinoe's
69 is horrible. He says my intro is one of the worst he's seen, and lists setup spec, using the FoS, and "throwing paranoia around" as some of the reasons. That, to me, sounds a bit like a joke, and I'd be content to ignore it. However, I can't, because it doesn't make any sense. His own signature notwithstanding, it does feel like he's fabricating reasons for his Scumread and vote.
What doesn't make sense? You did setup spec, even mentioning the possibility of multiball which we won't know for sure until the end of the day at the earliest. Multiball was the paranoia you were throwing around. So many early FoS's are often suspicious too. I don't see what's fabricated about the scumread.
Not sure about Farside's alignment in
71, because although she agreed with Salamence's faulty
64, she did question reinoe's terrible
69. I don't know what to think of this at the moment. Sort of feel the same about Clusk a bit, because he questions Scarab over his own unexplained vote in
74.
As for Clusk's
75, I may have been using the wrong term. What do you call it when you do something in a Mafia game in order to net a lot of reactions, and consecutive reactions? Like tossing a pebble into a clear pond and watching whichever way the little fish move.
Going over Not_Mafia's
76 again, I may as well post something. I don't normally vote someone for something and then FoS some who seems to be voting the same way against my target. What is commonplace for me, though, is being an unpredictable catalyst of sorts who can and sometimes does say and do things to stir up discussion. We need players to talk. Ever hosted a Mafia game, and watched Town lose because players weren't being active? I find paranoia to be a Town trait because Townies don't know who's who, and the unknown creates fear, which creates paranoia. If it's one Scum team versus the Town, there is little Scum has to fear when it comes to knowledge of one's alignment. This changes a bit if there's two Scum factions, to varying degrees. I don't find setup speculation to be unhelpful fluff because people are trying to come up with answers and possibilities on what situation they're dealing with. If I were lost in a cave system with twelve other people, I'd talk a bit with them over whether there're tunnels that lead to safety, or rivers, or this, that, etc. When we don't know, we try to make educated hopefully reasonable guesses. I never said that reaction testing means nothing I do can be incorrectly perceived as Scummy, either. As stated earlier, I'm still gathering reactions, and I'll unvote you when I want to. That you think I should move my vote from you simply because I said you moved slightly up my Town list doesn't give me reason to do so. As for your
80, I have and am still getting reactions; it doesn't matter to me what you think of it so long as I continue to receive a barrage of reactions than can be read and digested.
As long as you keep sharing what you're getting from the test I have no problem with the vote park.
Clusk, Scum's not nearly as clever as they think they are (
82). That's the illusion.
Be careful here. There's a sweet spot you need to hit. Underestimate the scum and you're in even worse.
Aegor's vote in
83 is either lazy or opportunistic. That's how I'm seeing it right now.
I'm leaning lazy myself.
Alina,
88, play is between shallow and deep. It's not so much about the specific question being asked, but the reaction to it, if any. Is the reaction angry? Smooth? A retaliation? Silence? All of these can be remembered and used in the future. As said before, I may be using the term incorrectly: my intro was meant to stir up reaction, discussion, and on. It certainly did, and I'd do it over again. I do like in your same post how Adrian said that a bandwagon in page 2 was excessive, yet joined in on one in page 3, especially while not having gotten more information. His actions don't seem to mesh with what he's saying. You also echo my question to Aegor about his reinoe comment.
Again with the ICing.
I'm not liking Scarab's
89.
I'll agree with this sentiment.
I wouldn't call that pressure, Adrien.
90. What you consider a screw-up isn't. In exact detail, what was it in page 3 that you deemed Scummy and worthy of a vote? Before you answer this, read through this post and keep it in mind. Adrien, what do you feel about Alina's
91?
I'll see his response. I'm not sure where you're going with this.
I do not remember which games I've done so, Not_Mafia. When I feel like being unpredictable, than of course I will do things like that and more. However, I don't remember when I've done that exact act. My experience goes over many games on many forums over years, so I don't really remember. Hell if I'd remember if they were useful, either. I'm looking for reactions in Day 1 because I don't want to simply lynch someone at random, or join someone else's wagon without good reason. As you say, there is information Day 1, and that is where dropping a pebble to note how the little fish move comes into play. I disagree that it's disingenuous, though, because Day 1 we have absolutely no solid facts to work with. There is information, but I doubt it's the kind of information that can be universally accepted by every living player. Bob dying and turning up as a Godfather is a universal fact in a hypothetical game. Opining that Gordy is Scummy for a handful of "reasons" isn't universally accepted fact. Not sure exactly what you meant by the multiball/paranoia/exception/possibilities bit is about. Please clarify with links. Another thing that should be mentioned, Not_Mafia, is that using the FoS doesn't mean you're calling someone Scum. It means you're watching them. That bit of fact in the wiki basically destroys part of your comments towards me. I haven't dismissed every criticism leveled against me by using "reaction test" as an excuse, so that's not fact. I don't really care what people think while I work to get reactions and find Scum. Why do you think I haven't cared to change my vote from you in spite of your vocalizing about it? I'll have to look over how many "misunderstandings" you've had regarding my posts thus far, but I'm starting to like where my vote is.
FoS is a leaning scumread in my opinion. IGMEOY is better for just saying you're watching them. But, this isn't really the time to discuss the wiki.
Oh, I like Clusk's
97. Always ask for specific clarification on things that don't make sense.
See, I don't like it. I feel like the questioning sounded forced.
I don't understand Aegor's
100. Alina, Not_Mafia, Farside, everyone: what do you make of that?
I think it's a playstyle conflict.
