NY175: Sycamore Scuffle

[reinoe]

Reinoe, I thought you thought Hunter was just a VI?

And wake, I'm with you with hoping people at least wait a little bit. It's not like we're all going to explode if we wait a while.

Yes, I said he's VI. But like I mentioned previously, I assumed that scum would not play up their VI. Recent discoveries in another game has changed things. Scum will happily act like a VI and pretend it's not scummy. This changed my thoughts on Boonskiies and Hunter.

[Toomai]

Votecount D2-13

Sharpest-knife-on-tree	L-10	0	—
TheAdrienC	L-7	3	HunterSeeker, Aeronaut, notscience
reinoe	L-10	0	—
Wake88	L-9	1	BP
Burning_TowN	L-10	0	—
shaddowez	L-10	0	—
notscience	L-10	0	—
Mirhawk	L-10	0	—
Not_Mafia	L-10	0	—
Aegor	L-10	0	—
Scarab	L-10	0	—
Boonskiies	L-7	3	Burning_TowN, BroodKingEXE, Alina
BroodKingEXE	L-10	0	—
Juls	L-10	0	—
Aeronaut	L-10	0	—
HunterSeeker	L-1	9	Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Aegor, Scarab, Juls, Not_Mafia, TheAdrienC, Mirhawk, Boonskiies, reinoe
BP	L-10	0	—
Alina	L-10	0	—

Not voting:

shaddowez, Wake88
With

18

alive it takes

10

to lunch.

Activity

Replacing HunterSeeker and Scarab.
shaddowez is V/LA until 20/07/2014.
BP is V/LA until 20/07/2014 (or maybe later).
BroodKingEXE is V/LA until 22/07/2014.

Current deadline

04/08/2014 12:06 (EDT)
(expired on 2014-08-04 12:06:20)

[Aegor]

Someone just hammer, please.

[BP]

I don't like this wagon... On the other hand, if he flops town, we can go on aegor.

What to do, what to do...

[Alina]

I don't like it either. I hate it tbh. :/ But everyone seems to have made up their minds.

[Juls]

I hereby absolve anyone who hammers of responsibility if he flips town. Just say Juls pressured you.

[Aeronaut]

Unfortunately, this lynch seems inevitable. When Hunter flips town, I think the next plan of action should be to lynch Aegor, because he's been on board to lynch lurkers, and has been pretty open about doing it as quick as possible before we can get reads.

[Juls]

If I die in the night, please lynch AdrienC and Aeronaut.

[Alina]

SKOT, Boon, Adrien, Aegor are the main four I'd like to see looked at. Primarily the first three, I think Aegor's play might just be him being him...but I don't know.

[Juls]

Maybe. Nope. Yes. Nope....

[Juls]

If HS flips scum you most definitely MUST lynch Adrien.

[Aeronaut]

If HS flips scum you most definitely MUST lynch Adrien.

And if he flips town, you'd be one to look into, Juls.

[Juls]

If you think you can swing it, go for it.

[Aegor]

Unfortunately, this lynch seems inevitable. When Hunter flips town, I think the next plan of action should be to lynch Aegor, because he's been on board to lynch lurkers, and has been pretty open about doing it as quick as possible before we can get reads.

Y'all be crazy.

What reads do you expect to get? What have you done to produce them? What do you still need to do to get them or develop them to your satisfaction this day?

Do I have the power to unilaterally end the day? No. Have I day-vigged anyone? No. Am I stopping you from posting? No. What I see is a game that is stalling. We have a decent wagon. No one is making any real effort to interact with the living players, and so we are all waiting for replacements that may come today or may come in two weeks. And somehow I am responsible for pushing this lynch through.

Don't like it? I suggest you build a case on someone else or ask incisive questions based on play. Otherwise, stop complaining about the situation that we all

collectively

have produced.

[Boonskiies]

I'm just an idiot. And I don't like that Reinoe is targeting the so-called VI's. Also, anyone find it suspicious how he changed his vote from me to Hunter

after

I voted Hunter?

[Boonskiies]

If nobody hammers within the next few hours, I'm going to unvote. My reasons for not doing it now is that I am actually really not that interested in this game, and I believe something just needs to happen.

[Aeronaut]

Unfortunately, this lynch seems inevitable. When Hunter flips town, I think the next plan of action should be to lynch Aegor, because he's been on board to lynch lurkers, and has been pretty open about doing it as quick as possible before we can get reads.

Y'all be crazy.

What reads do you expect to get? What have you done to produce them? What do you still need to do to get them or develop them to your satisfaction this day?

Do I have the power to unilaterally end the day? No. Have I day-vigged anyone? No. Am I stopping you from posting? No. What I see is a game that is stalling. We have a decent wagon. No one is making any real effort to interact with the living players, and so we are all waiting for replacements that may come today or may come in two weeks. And somehow I am responsible for pushing this lynch through.

Don't like it? I suggest you build a case on someone else or ask incisive questions based on play. Otherwise, stop complaining about the situation that we all

collectively

have produced.

Never did I say you alone created the situation. You're completely right, you are just one vote of nine people who agree with you. Having said that, you have been the most vocal about wanting HS gone very quickly.

Yeh it was a stupid move all right. Certainly doesn't make me want to move my vote off him.

You should move your vote off of him and onto HS.

Vote HS. GOGOGOGOGOGOGO

So yea, if he flips town, you seem like scum to me. Also, while we're on the subject, you completely contradicted yourself here VV.

Like when Clusk was going to be replaced and you voted with the intention of your vote to hammer him?

No, since I have no intention of getting HS killed pre-replacement.

And then, just a day later, before HS gets replaced,

Someone just hammer, please.

So yea, while you're not the only one doing it, you've done it the most. So if he flips town, you seem scummier to me. If he flips scum, then you're going to look a lot less scummy to the rest of us. So you should really hope he's scum.


P-edit - Boon, how would unvoting him make the game move quicker?

Toomai fixed the quotes in this post.

[Aeronaut]

Gahh, messed up the quotes... again.

Mod, fix if you have time, really sorry.

Yep.

[Boonskiies]

It wouldn't. But there's a sense in me that doesn't want to just policy lynch, because that's basically what this is. I'm fine either way, because I don't care too much, but there's a part of me that still feels wrong about lynching Hunter right now. I'm just impatient.

[Alina]

How about instead of doing stuff because you're bored, you do stuff because you think it'll help town? Maybe helping town is against your win condition though, so maybe you shouldn't do that. If you feel wrong about it, then don't go along with it. Go with what you want to do. Try to WIN. Don't just be all lackadaisical.

[Wake1]

With

18

alive it takes

10

to

lunch

.

Oh, so now we're

lunching

people, eh?

[shaddowez]

Hey everyone - sorry for not posting during my V/LA, life got much more in the way than I expected.

Juls

, on multiple occasions you have said that

Boon

is town. Could you please explain this read to me some? I haven't liked some of his interactions, but currently have him as a null read. A couple of other people have already provided their reasonings on why they think he's scum, I'd like to hear a solid defense for him.

Aegor

is pushing way too hard for this lynch, is contradicting himself, and is deflecting questions rather than providing content.

What reads do you expect to get? What have you done to produce them? What do you still need to do to get them or develop them to your satisfaction this day?

This series of questions is better aimed at yourself than pretty much anyone else in the game right now.

We have a decent wagon

What makes this a decent wagon? The fact that he's only one vote short of ending the day? Yes, HS has some definitely scummy posts, and I have voted him/listed him as high priority scum before, but lynching someone while waiting for a replacement when there are people out there with as high or higher scumreads on them just doesn't make any sense. With 14 days left, there's no rush to end the day.

VOTE: Aegor

[Aegor]

You're completely right, you are just one vote of nine people who agree with you. Having said that, you have been the most vocal about wanting HS gone very quickly.

I see no reason to dawdle without reason. As I said, this game is stalling. If it were not, I would be in no hurry whatsoever to lynch HS. But I am not going to sit here, bored, for however many days because people feel "uncomfortable" with a lynch while they make zero effort to push a better one.

So yea, if he flips town, you seem like scum to me. Also, while we're on the subject, you completely contradicted yourself here VV.
...
And then, just a day later, before HS gets replaced

No contradiction. At the time of the first post, I did have no such intention. My intentions changed.

So yea, while you're not the only one doing it, you've done it the most. So if he flips town, you seem scummier to me. If he flips scum, then you're going to look a lot less scummy to the rest of us. So you should really hope he's scum.

w/e

P-edit - Boon, how would unvoting him make the game move quicker?

Separated this out because I am super confuzzled.

[Wake1]

Does anyone else have experience with Scum-Aegor?

Mini 1574: Mountainous Mafia with Daytalk

Here is the Scum QT including Aegor: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/qsuPJrPAFqi2

[Aegor]

Aegor

is pushing way too hard for this lynch, is contradicting himself, and is deflecting questions rather than providing content.

How am I not providing content? I have explained very clearly why I want HS dead. I have wanted him dead since yesterday. I compromised on Clusk near deadline.

Just because you do not like the lynch does not mean that I have not been doing anything. If you have questions about why HS is a good lynch, ask. If you feel that my ISO is vacuous, you clearly have not read it.

What makes this a decent wagon?

Read my posts.

The fact that he's only one vote short of ending the day?

Read my posts.

Yes, HS has some definitely scummy posts, and I have voted him/listed him as high priority scum before,

Then it seems like you have pretty effing solid answer to your question about what makes the wagon decent.

but lynching someone while waiting for a replacement when there are people out there with as high or higher scumreads on them just doesn't make any sense.

And on whom do I have a stronger scumread than HS? Or am I scummy now because you

feel

that other players [/i]feel[/i] that some players are scummier than HS?

With 14 days left, there's no rush to end the day.

This is such nonsense. There is no good reason to prolong the day artificially, either. How do I know? Oh, experience.