NY 174: Oldy Mafia 2 (Game Over)

Yosarian2 · Post Post #3100 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:53 pm

In post 3098, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3092, Yosarian2 wrote:So, just to be clear, you're admitting at this point that either you or STD has to be scum, right? So if we lynch STD and he flips town, you're scum?

THIS

IS NOT

A QUESTION MEANT TO FIGURE OUT MY ALIGNMENT.

Of course it is. It's a trap, of course, and an obvious one. But if you are really as sure about STD's alignment as you claim to be, and if you're town, then you wouldn't care; you would call my "bluff" and walk right into the trap with a grin on your face.

If you're not sure, then we could just lynch VitR instead. Or we could lynch STD, but if we do and he flips town, we lynch you tomorrow. So, what do you think?

Yosarian2 · Post Post #3101 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:56 pm

In post 3099, Juls wrote:Yeah, I have to say, 3092 is pretty icky.

I know, it's one of those things you're never supposed to say in a mafia game. But in this case, I think it's actually true, and I really need to know what DGB's response is. If you want to attack me, don't do it until after she actually answers. Don't help her weasel out of this.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #3102 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:58 pm

In post 3067, Yosarian2 wrote:Right now, I'm looking at lynching either VitimanR or STD today.

Hey Yosarian, how come you're saying that you want to lynch either VitaminR or STD today, but suddenly, if STD flips town, I should walk myself to the guillotine?

@ABR & everybody: do you guys see what I see?

Yosarian2 · Post Post #3103 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 2:54 pm

In post 3102, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3067, Yosarian2 wrote:Right now, I'm looking at lynching either VitimanR or STD today.

Hey Yosarian, how come you're saying that you want to lynch either VitaminR or STD today, but suddenly, if STD flips town, I should walk myself to the guillotine?

@ABR & everybody: do you guys see what I see?

I see you still not answering my question.

I really do want to lynch STD today, but only if you're town. If you're scum, then he has to be town. I said almost that exact same thing in that very post you keep quoting one section of, so don't pretend you don't understand it.

So why are you not answering such an easy question? According to your own logic, the logic you've been repeating over and over again since day 2, either you or STD has to be scum. Is that correct, or not?

If you want to back down from your earlier statements, this is your last chance to do so.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #3104 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:07 pm

In post 3103, Yosarian2 wrote:either you or STD has to be scum.

No. That's not how it works. I am town. STD has overwhelming chances of flipping scum.

There is no "either me or STD has to be scum." It's incorrect, and I never said that. There is no dichotomy.

After those few posts of yours, I'd venture to say whether STD flips town or scum... you're guaranteed to be scum. Which means that VitaminR is almost certainly town now.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #3105 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:10 pm

In post 3103, Yosarian2 wrote:I really do want to lynch STD today

Then why is getting you to vote STD like pulling teeth?

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #3106 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:12 pm

In post 3103, Yosarian2 wrote:I really do want to lynch STD today,
but only if you're town.

Something you can't know until I am dead.

Basically, you're itching so bad to vote for STD, but I have to die first?

Thank you for being so obvscum. I feel a bit sorry for you and your team, but I appreciate that your fighting spirit.

MrBuddyLee · Post Post #3107 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:41 pm

This exchange makes my head hurt like only Ke$ha can.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #3108 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:46 pm

In post 3106, DrippingGoofball wrote:
Basically, you're itching so bad to vote for STD, but I have to die first?

No, I want you to convince me that you're town, and then I'll gladly lynch STD today. It won't even be that hard for you to do. I don't think I'm asking a lot of you here, so I really don't understand why you're flipping out so much all of a sudden, if you actually mean what you've kept saying.

In post 3104, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3103, Yosarian2 wrote:either you or STD has to be scum.

No. That's not how it works. I am town. STD has overwhelming chances of flipping scum.

There is no "either me or STD has to be scum." It's incorrect, and I never said that. There is no dichotomy.

I'm going to make this really simple, so you can't pretend you don't understand me.

In post 3079, DrippingGoofball wrote:
If you do think they are all town, that means that you think we have wagons on townies (according to the above assumption) that are made of all townies. TWICE!!! Do you believe this is possible? In all my years of playing scum, I have never witnessed a large wagon like these that didn't have at least one buddy on it. One buddy, minimum. If these players are town, I'd expect more scum on them, especially with LML dead day 1.

You keep insisting that there was at least one scum on each townie wagon. Here, let me quote YOU quoting that wagon.

In post 3079, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 2911, DrippingGoofball wrote:Also this:

MafiaSSK/mathcam (9) --
CrashTextDummie, Cogito Ergo Sum,
Albert B. Rampage, Seol/Bookitty,
Untrod Tripod, DrippingGoofball,

Save the Dragons
,
Sotty7, Glork

You put yourself in green, but from my point of view, if there's scum on that wagon, now that CES is confirmed town, it's either you, or STD. I'm pretty sure Bookitty is town, and Albert is probalby town as well. By your own logic, based on the argument that YOU keep making over and over again and that you claim to be 100% certain of, at least from my point of view, either you or STD is scum.

Now, do you understand what I'm saying? We can lynch STD today, but if he flips town, we're going to lynch you tommorow. Understanding that, do you still want to lynch STD?

chamber · Post Post #3109 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:35 pm

Holy shit that's a bad post.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #3110 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:55 pm

In post 3109, chamber wrote:Holy shit that's a bad post.

What do you see? I want to know if we're seeing the same thing.

chamber · Post Post #3111 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:09 pm

He puts the burden on you to prove that you are town. That's not something someone can prove.

He try's to use your method against you, but both uses a single wagon instead of an aggregate of sources (as you do) and removes his town reads, which defeats the purpose anyway. There are 3 masons and 4 living scum, removing his town reads from the over all pool would have a similar effect. He also ignores the other STD sources which are by far more damning.

Juls · Post Post #3112 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:11 pm

Is 4 living scum confirmed?

Juls · Post Post #3113 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:11 pm

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #3114 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:12 pm

Yosarian, just place your vote. STD will flip scum anyway.

In post 3112, Juls wrote:Is 4 living scum confirmed?

It's the typical balance for this many players.

Juls · Post Post #3115 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:13 pm

With 3 masons though...it could be one more maybe?

chamber · Post Post #3116 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:16 pm

In post 3115, Juls wrote:With 3 masons though...it could be one more maybe?

Not really? 5 scum in 22 players needs a fair bit of town power to balance it, a sizable amount of that power is likely just the masons. (3 masons 3 mafia 7 scum tends to be relatively balanced, for instance)

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #3117 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:17 pm

We probably have an even night vig and a doctor/RB/JK.

chamber · Post Post #3118 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:20 pm

and 3 masons + that + shanba seems like it's probably still missing some power.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #3119 (ISO) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:29 pm

Yosarian, you don't have a voting block to ensure a DGB lynch tomorrow if STD flips town. PJ is gone and won't come back. Juls is my kind of mason, someone with no personal or playstyle issues with me, and who wasn't buttered up by you for 4 days. The power has shifted and you simply don't have the same backing as you did before. You're not making any deals.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #3120 (ISO) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:06 am

In post 3111, chamber wrote:He puts the burden on you to prove that you are town. That's not something someone can prove.

He try's to use your method against you, but both uses a single wagon instead of an aggregate of sources (as you do) and removes his town reads, which defeats the purpose anyway. There are 3 masons and 4 living scum, removing his town reads from the over all pool would have a similar effect. He also ignores the other STD sources which are by far more damning.

It doesn't matter if DGB's methods work or not. What I want to know is if DGB believes what she is saying.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #3121 (ISO) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:08 am

Anyway, DGB, I'm asking you one more time. Are you confident enough in STD's alignment to bet your life on it, or not? If you're not confident about his alignment, that's fine, just say so now.

chamber · Post Post #3122 (ISO) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:19 am

In post 3120, Yosarian2 wrote:It doesn't matter if DGB's methods work or not. What I want to know is if DGB believes what she is saying.

That's the point, that's not what she's saying. You are being horribly manipulative.

chamber · Post Post #3123 (ISO) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:23 am

In post 3121, Yosarian2 wrote:Anyway, DGB, I'm asking you one more time. Are you confident enough in STD's alignment to bet your life on it, or not? If you're not confident about his alignment, that's fine, just say so now.

No one who's sane should regularly have read's nearly strong enough to be confident enough to risk their lives on it. I don't have reads that strong every game, and I probably still have them more often than I should. Why is that the standard you are measuring her confidence by?

Yosarian2 · Post Post #3124 (ISO) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:26 am

In post 3122, chamber wrote:
In post 3120, Yosarian2 wrote:It doesn't matter if DGB's methods work or not. What I want to know is if DGB believes what she is saying.

That's the point, that's not what she's saying. You are being horribly manipulative.

Back off and let her answer this question, chamber. I need to know her alignment before I go any farther with this. I already confirmed on thing about it from the way she's answered so far.