Suburban Warfare - GAME OVER

[SpyreX]

I'm hammered at work. Hopefully it will clear up by Friday.

[Shinobi]

Were you going anywhere with this?

Don't understand what this is about but I am checked out from this game so... yeah.

I thought you hadn't claimed

I don't know, I just thought that you had a thought and it was just incomplete or something.

Guess not.

[farside22]

I wrote a solid paragraph on each player in the game, but I'm not going to bother weighing down this post again with all of them. I'll give you a town --> scum list and give you an summary of my key reads, so if you want to hear my thoughts about anyone else, just ask:

Scum

Shinobi
chamber, Antihero
Oversoul, farside (had farside townier than this last night, but am starting to rethink this read in the last 24 hours)
SpyreX

Metal Sonic

Town

Metal Sonic

is my strongest town read, primarily for his fake-guilty on D1. It was a ridiculous gambit and surely his must know that doing that as scum has a very chance of getting himself lynched for it - the only exception to this is if SpyreX is scum with Metal, but I think there's no way Spy would sign off on that in the scum QT, and surely Metal would ask before springing that on a buddy. The simplest explanation for the play is a bored/trolling townie. I think to conclude Metal is scum doing this, it veers into conspiro-territory a little bit - it just doesn't make sense (or as much sense as town doing it) for him to do this as scum. It requires him to be somewhat prescient and have a reason behind why he's doing it, because I don't think he's just lolzing around as scum, as it (usually) just writes himself a ticket as the D1/D2 lynch. Chamber thinks it's risky to "clear" someone on the basis of one event, but this was truly the most alignment-revealing thing he has done all game. The rest of his play is detached and seemingly devoid of any real motivation - I think it's a trap to try and read Metal like a normal player, and this is the best we will get. As I said in the QT, I'd pretty much gamble the game on this read being correct.

I made an observation early in the game about

SpyreX

being full of bluster and energising rhetoric, but his actions and play not really syncing up with his words. He's had a low presence in the game and everything he says and his tone seems kinda scummy. The thing that makes me pause and override my game-long paranoia about him is lamenting about his reads are so woefully bad after going for ZZZX over Bob on D2. Why would scum-Spy set himself up for a D3 where he essentially has to play the pity-party card, admit all his reads are shit and basically act incompetent. As scum, you have a choice in how "right" you want your reads to be when players flip. I just don't see Spy-scum deliberately choosing to go down the woe-is-me-my-reads-are-so-bad road instead of just throwing in an occasional correct read from time to time. For the same reason, I think Desperado is also town - his reads have been so poor to the point where why would scum play that way? It's a pretty cheeky play as scum, as most people won't give you credit for it, ergo most scum won't do it. A much simpler explanation is they're town.

Shinobi

's slot has done fuck all this game, and coupled with the "ask Hoopla questions then hammer (terribly) three hours later" he is my prime suspect. The way he has interacted with me has been kinda jarring and it looks like he isn't even considering the possibility that I am town, which is an inherently scummy mindset. It looks like he is entering the day with an established goal to see me as scum, rather than genuinely trying to work out my alignment. I'm mildly wary that this might just be "oh, that's just how he plays" thing - his impatient hammer kinda implies he isn't one to consider/reconsider things, so I guess he could do this as town. But it seems likelier that it is coming from scum. I wanted to lynch from between Antihero and Shinobi today, because I think at least one of them is scum (probably only one), so for me, a Shinobi lynch would also be partly utility, as if he flips scum, Antihero will have a lot more use as town deeper in the game than the other way around, so there is some upside to lynching Shinobi over Antihero in my opinion. Regardless, I think Shinobi is scummier than Antihero anyway, so that extra upside isn't really a tipping factor.

Hoopla: can you explain you list to me and the gap between spy and metal?
Also why is anti listed as scum?

[farside22]

It would be really really great though if Marquis or his neighborhood could explain whatever they have on Hoopla instead of a) their gambit or b) think they are protecting anyone

I also want to know why I was switched into a different neighborhood, although I guess my only reason to be in there died last night

Read the game.

I don't know where your apathy is coming from but it reads scummy considering I see you typically aware.

Why are you voting hoopla?

[Oversoul]

Spy/Hoopla, why do you both have varying degrees of suspicion on me

[Metal Sonic]

I thought the facts you pointed out here were a good catch on MS's inconsistent behavior. I don't know if it will have any merit because no offense but I don't really see that much consistency or logic being publicly employed by MS in his posts. Instead it is more like "where logic goes to die". Regardless, it was this bit.

none taken



may hoopla kindly explain the Significance of knowing my night actions, and how this helps us to further complete/break the game as town, without invoking the argument of "for formality purposes"?



yes farside i can move them every night. scumteam hoopla+desperado+Chamber+oversoul are safely quarantined in a neighbourhood, thats thanks to me
"

[farside22]

@chamber: metal can claim tonight who he is moving, baring unknown game mechanics, that info should verify he is what he claims. Any objections? If so why?

[chamber]

First I'd like him to commit to whether there is actually a conflict or not.

[Oversoul]

You're scum reading me too, MS?

[Metal Sonic]

yes. mildly.

[Metal Sonic]

First I'd like him to commit to whether there is actually a conflict or not.

I'd like YOU to comment.

What makes you think there is a conflict? What is the significance if I claimed my night actions, and if I didn't? Would it help you scumhunt better? If so, why?

[chamber]

Ok, I can commit.

Vote MS

[Metal Sonic]

lol i read commit as comment LOL

[farside22]

First I'd like him to commit to whether there is actually a conflict or not.

What conflict? I looked at hoops claim and his so...?

[Marquis]

Ok, I can commit.

Vote MS

are you kidding me

[Marquis]

there is no metal sonic wagon to commit to idgi

[Marquis]

why you and oversoul seem to be ignoring the perfectly good and righteous hoopla wagon and case is................... why.

[farside22]

Okay I looked a 3rd time.

Metal: night 2 marquis moved and none other. Night 3 chamber was transferred out.
The only action that matches swapper is the antihero and oversoul change.
Please explain.

[xRECKONERx]

Official Vote Count

Hoopla

(4): farside22, Marquis, Metal Sonic, Oversoul

Shinobi

(3): Desperado, SpyreX, Antihero

Not Voting

(3): chamber, Shinobi, Hoopla

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

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Desperado has been prodded.

[xRECKONERx]

Desp has informed me that he is V/LA until Tuesday, as he has no internet access at the moment.

[Desperado]

i can phone post but its a hassle and i dont have unlimited data

hoopla and whoever else claimed to,move people (metal i think) both clearly took credit for the same neighborhood switch

[Desperado]

I was the one who closed down maple and moved everyone into their new neighborhood btw.

oh. aw

i am the neighborhood swapper. i was responsible for swapping antihero and oversoul. i am also responsible for putting chamber, hoopla and desp in the same neighborhood cause (scumreads)

who's next? lets see

[Desperado]

so if two could stop dicking around and resolve this thatd be great

[chamber]

Ok, I can commit.

Vote MS

are you kidding me

there is no metal sonic wagon to commit to idgi

I was being cheeky.

why you and oversoul seem to be ignoring the perfectly good and righteous hoopla wagon and case is................... why.

The corner stone of it is hoopla being dumb. I don't think she is?

[Oversoul]

why you and oversoul seem to be ignoring the perfectly good and righteous hoopla wagon and case is................... why.

I'm not? Do you see who I am voting?