Mini 1592: Flying Aces (Game Over)

[Majiffy]

How do you differentiate between a "bad" argument and a logically inconclusive one? What are the qualia you use?

[Anatole Kuragin]

It's a bad argument because it's not going to provide any information that you don't already have as to my alignment and it's not going to provide me with any as to yours. I have already pointed out issues in your argument and you just keep changing the parameters of your "case" about the way I play. I have provided evidence that I am not unreadable or awful at the game, which you originally posited were the only two options. Then you changed the argument. You demanded the out of game information that I said I didn't want to talk about because it would be considered an excuse. So I did - which you then said was an excuse.

It's a bad argument because the only outcome is me being frustrated which doesn't get us any closer to winning.

[Anatole Kuragin]

This is as stupid as your argument with Thor, who is likely also town.

[farside22]

no, I am implying that messiah had a scummier response to farside's sheeping. tbh I need to ISO farside, especially after this

When your done with explain the town read on jiffy please.

[Majiffy]

It's a bad argument because it's not going to provide any information that you don't already have as to my alignment and it's not going to provide me with any as to yours.

It should provide me information as to your current thought process and your approach to the game, which will theoretically improve my ability to read you accurately.

It should strengthen your townread on me because it is abundantly clear that I am actively trying to discern your alignment.

So on both counts, I'm going to have to disagree.

I have already pointed out issues in your argument and you just keep changing the parameters of your "case" about the way I play.

I haven't actually changed anything. You just keep dodging the questions.

I have provided evidence that I am not unreadable or awful at the game, which you originally posited were the only two options.

You posited that the way you play makes your alignment hard to discern - this is the same as unreadable.
You then renegged on that position by stating only "good" scumhunters can read you.

Moving us on to the next part of your argument;

Then you changed the argument. You demanded the out of game information that I said I didn't want to talk about because it would be considered an excuse. So I did - which you then said was an excuse.

You then flatly refused to offer any meaningful way in which I can discern your alignment, instead continuing to shut down conversation by claiming I am a bad scumhunter with bad arguments.

It's a bad argument because the only outcome is me being frustrated which doesn't get us any closer to winning.

I think the only reason you're frustrated is because you've put yourself in an untenable position.

[farside22]

Messiah: I'm still looking for a response to my questions.

Messiah:
You stated one issue with Anatole that you wonder is a trust tell and listed as scum, nothing on baezu. What is the difference between your scum reads and null scum?
Was baezu scum in the game you referenced in post 360?
Just an FYI I have selective reading issues. My eyes glaze over things especially in long post. I didn't read everything you wrote, I was bother you quoted something pants did as well and found it scummy.
Why are you defending thor in post 500?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Ok, I have been playing poorly and will now give 110% to make sure everybody knows I am town. I apologize for not doing this before, pls no modkill

Honestly, I am not arguing this any further, you're probably right and I'll put more effort and focus into my posting at any point I previously might not have given 110% if it will help townies discern my alignment, even if it results in getting nightkilled even more.

I will say that my current playstyle has not been in any way an impediment to town victories or scumhunting in the past - but it has been commented on that it is difficult to read me in those games, which is all I was originally trying to comment on.

[Anatole Kuragin]

If I could give you a hint as to how to read me so you could see me as town, I would. I honestly don't know what to tell you other than read my ISO and assume I was playing to get and wait out reactions for most of the game so I guess read me in that context.

[Anatole Kuragin]

no, I am implying that messiah had a scummier response to farside's sheeping. tbh I need to ISO farside, especially after this

When your done with explain the town read on jiffy please.

Majiffy is only scum if Messiah is his partner, imo. The way he reacted to my case against Messiah and the subsequent argument doesn't make any sense as scum unless it's to get attention off of Messiah, and he wouldn't still be voting him after the claim if he wasn't bussing.

[Majiffy]

You should get back on Messiah. I like to see them squirm.

[Anatole Kuragin]

no, I am implying that messiah had a scummier response to farside's sheeping. tbh I need to ISO farside, especially after this

When your done with explain the town read on jiffy please.

Majiffy is only scum if Messiah is his partner, imo. The way he reacted to my case against Messiah and the subsequent argument doesn't make any sense as scum unless it's to get attention off of Messiah, and he wouldn't still be voting him after the claim if he

was**

bussing.

because there's no reason to lynch messiah now if they are partners

[Anatole Kuragin]

I kinda get the feeling from Belisarius that he gives a shit about the historicity of this scenario, and the character I rolled supports that. So I find it weird that the role Messiah claimed - the character - was not in combat or even in france during the time period we're discussing in this game.

But it may be a bad assumption to say that he is trying to make sure *every* character was present, but it is strange that it would be some and not others.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I would think the roled characters at least would be - for example, Baron von Richtofen is likely one of the mafia members.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I bet I'm reading into the flavor way too much

[Majiffy]

I kinda get the feeling from Belisarius that he gives a shit about the historicity of this scenario, and the character I rolled supports that. So I find it weird that the role Messiah claimed - the character - was not in combat or even in france during the time period we're discussing in this game.

But it may be a bad assumption to say that he is trying to make sure *every* character was present, but it is strange that it would be some and not others.

From what I read in the Wiki page he died after his plane crashed in France so...

[Majiffy]

Ruddy loud thunderstorm is making it impossible to watch my movie.

Weather!!! *shakes fist*

[Anatole Kuragin]

I kinda get the feeling from Belisarius that he gives a shit about the historicity of this scenario, and the character I rolled supports that. So I find it weird that the role Messiah claimed - the character - was not in combat or even in france during the time period we're discussing in this game.

But it may be a bad assumption to say that he is trying to make sure *every* character was present, but it is strange that it would be some and not others.

From what I read in the Wiki page he died after his plane crashed in France so...

He didn't fly a combat mission after March 5. He flew across the channel to deliver or pick up orders and died because his engine failed in July. The scenario we are in is in April, after he was done flying missions.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Wait that's 1918 - in 1917 he wasn't flying missions in April either though.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Probably just a nitpick. Softclaim/crumb/whatever - my dude was definitely in the shit and messiah's was not is what I'm getting at

[Anatole Kuragin]

even a vanilla townie here could presumably post to say their character was active in this campaign, so if anyone can just refute this idea of mine, please wiki your guy and say I'm wrong

[Majiffy]

Weeeell.

My guy died at the start of May 1917. So *technically* he was active in April, but eh.

[viking cat]

Our character was active in France during this time. But I don't actually think that Beli has checked for that? Where did MC claim his character speaks french btw? I thought that was CoolDoG? Just had a quick search through MCs iso and didn't find it.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Our character was active in France during this time. But I don't actually think that Beli has checked for that? Where did MC claim his character speaks french btw? I thought that was CoolDoG? Just had a quick search through MCs iso and didn't find it.

You're right, actually. My mistake.

[viking cat]

Have you had a look at farsides ISO?
What do you think of #369 & #370 in particular? I contemplate voting her.

[farside22]

Have you had a look at farsides ISO?
What do you think of #369 & #370 in particular? I contemplate voting her.

Because I forgot about a player that isn't around or because I had to remind myself about said player?

I tunnel it's pretty bad for me and I get lost when I tunnel.