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[reinoe]

@Beck

Spoiler:

I fell asleep after work as I often do and then forgot about it.

vote:reinoe

I honestly just see contrived defenses, no real scum hunting.

This is all I can make myself read for now.

But before he said this...

Okay, let me clarify. I don't really have an opinion on weather renoi is town or scum at the moment. I just find him rather humours and I like him as a player. I think his vote on skrew

(which was well reasoned later)

is a well founded vote and I like the wagon that is forming.

AND this...

Seems reasonable to me. You made fake scumhunting questions and you reacted to pressure poorly... For Page 2 that is damn fine reasoning.

Also, renio's most recent posts have not hit me the right way. Before it seemed like their was some sort of method to the madness but right now it just seems like random questions being thrown around for little to no reason.

Phone posting. Examples plz.

Asking which of the three are scum. Seems like just fishing for useless information.
.

BTW, the stuff in red...Cooldog is aware now that I don't post things for why I'm doing what I'm doing right away. He he sees which way the winds are a-blowin' and he's lining up soft pressure while ignoring the things he mentions previously. Also...no real scumhunting: Sleeps has one scumread i.e. an elaborate and extended and hyperventilated OMGUS." Sleeps has not tried to develop reads on anyone else. Yet cooldog is fine with saying "no real scumhunting" from reinoe?

The sequence of posts that actually lead to me voting for him suggests to me that he's not actually reading the thread and that he just wants the night to come...

Hey cooldog, what do you think of post 535 and 515. Why do you give sleepy a free pass in ignoring them?

Honestly, I can't be assed to re-read 20 pages of shit. And currently I'm not even sure if what happened back then is relevant to the case now.
First it was RVS, now it Is this reinoe shit.

WTF??? I requested two posts to review, not "please review these past 20 pages".

Yeah, and I've already done that... several times. I'm not going to re-read this shit just for someone who is probably going to get lynched today. It just isn't going to happen.

Phone posting from the break room. These last few posts of yours have stunk to high heaven. More tonight when I get home.

VOTE: cooldog

You can vote me to l-1. I'm not reading those fucking posts again.

[reinoe]

@beck again...

Spoiler:

What are your thoughts on RedCoyote accusing me of putting things in spoilers to hurt town morale and create discord?

You have to open up all the fucking spoilers to get a good look-see. That's unacceptable and very anti-town. It fits with a pattern of you trying to derail this game with garrulous things and false accusations.

Also do you think sheeping the reason for a vote is the same as sheeping a vote?

[farside22]

Rc:

farside's interpretations of this game are completely bonkers. I want to hold to the idea that she's just really far out there, but it is growing increasingly hard to do that. I'm glad you agree at least that the case is bad because I consider you to be as impartial a player as we've got given that you've spent most of your time going after Goofy (and I have been vocally against that).

You are not sheeping? No seriously please explain how my interpretation is bothers?
I'm sorry I can't call your case shit, bonkers or wrong, since you didn't make one.

You know how dishonest this is? I hadn't even made a real post since SK said this. But to answer his allegation, I have since learned that townies are not allowed to have more than one scumread in this game. If a player dares to think outloud about having more than one scumread, the player incurs the wrath of reinoe, Drew and farside.

How dare I question your reads. I thought we were playing mafia?
Is this the board game room and not the werewolf room? (Any gamer worth there salt should get the reference)

You are. I'm firmly in SK's camp on this one, and I don't care to even try to hide that pretense any longer. He's been attacked by you unjustly. I wouldn't have handled it the way he has, but I can't pretend to act as though y'all are equally culpable when I find the things you say to be dishonest and sometimes mean-spirited. I have seen no such things come out of SK's posts. I think he's been earnestly trying to figure this game out, as have I. You have not.

What post were dishonest?

Granted, my reaction would be as yours is somewhat, but I would be more indifferent to the attack than I would be willing to hold the game hostage as you seem to be. I could understand you not seeing him as scum, but I can't understand you fighting for him as hard as you have. At the very least you should concede that myself/SK/Bob have made some fair points against him, even if you don't agree.

I have talked with sk about why I find his reasons faulty that he's asked everyone about. I talked with bob.
Unlike you I've pointed to reasons I disagree.
And I've stated I'd lynch Renoie if push came to shove. Is there a reason I can't push who I think is scum?

I'm not "sheeping reads". I used Bob's inital point as a springboard at one time, yes, but I then saw reinoe confusing his reads with abandon and reinoe contradict himself in his attack on me in such a way that I was very comfortable in my scumread of him.

Further, even if I admit to "sheeping", reinoe was the one that started this ball rolling by coming after me for "sheeping" whilst doing it himself in voting Konowa.

Using someone's idea to vote sheeping.
I voted with no ducking reason stated. Renoie made his own ducking case. That is a big difference don't you think?

You missed me calling out your accusation of me listing my scumreads at an early stage of the game. That was me being honest and giving my opinions of the game, not something that I was committed to for life. You interpreted it wrongly, parrotting Drew's opinion, and I thought it was unfair of you to do that.

I just thought the scum reads were weird. It's like you took random people and put them together with no real reason. I didn't even remember Drew calling you out. I tend to zone out on long post unless I see my name.

[SleepyKrew]

Skrew is growing on me properly.

Why? And if you're so concerned about character assassination, what do you think about reinoe wrt me?

Using someone's idea to vote sheeping.
I voted with no ducking reason stated. Renoie made his own ducking case. That is a big difference don't you think?

"farside's reads are usually pretty good"

[Dessew]

@RC: I don't recall calling Goofy scum. But you're right, that post wasn't the bestest ever, indeed, I just wanted to see if there was any useful information, appearently, there wasn't.
@RC&Drew: there are lots of cases going on and the one on Drew is the best, imo, the most convincing, at least. I'll make my ow case on him. I might reread the whole reinoe stuff with an open mind, though. My problem with the reinoe-wagon is that he

implicitely

called the first bracket scum and didn't the second one.
@Drew: defending others is fine, as long as you don't put answers into their mouths and don't do it with BS.

[Dessew]

@RC: I don't recall calling Goofy scum. But you're right, that post wasn't the bestest ever, indeed, I just wanted to see if there was any useful information, appearently, there wasn't.
@RC&Drew: there are lots of cases going on and the one on Drew is the best, imo, the most convincing, at least. I'll make my ow case on him. I might reread the whole reinoe stuff with an open mind, though. My problem with the reinoe-wagon is that he

implicitely

called the first bracket scum and didn't the second one.
@Drew: defending others is fine, as long as you don't put answers into their mouths and don't do it with BS.

[Dessew]

I don't know how I managed to do this .

[farside22]

Skrew is growing on me properly.

Why? And if you're so concerned about character assassination, what do you think about reinoe wrt me?

Using someone's idea to vote sheeping.
I voted with no ducking reason stated. Renoie made his own ducking case. That is a big difference don't you think?

"farside's reads are usually pretty good"

You know not reading the game in full is a scum tell. Go talk to bob about that. In the mean time I was referring to this;

Actually Reinoe, why vote Konowa? When IAI said 1, I assumed they ment one of the 3, not the first listed. Any further reasoning?

You're absolutely right that there was a lack of conviction to my reinoe vote. I hadn't actually read anything at that point.

Then why say "yep" as if you're agreeing to something?
I was scum-reading konowa for commenting on the game while voting. OK initially I thought it was RVS. But then the explaination provided in 72 doesn't make any sense. Apparently it wasn't an RVS. Why would you vote "without conviction"? If Konowa had just said it was an rvs vote then that would make a lot of sense.

Also I'm basing some of my Vote switch with farside's vote. Her reads tend to be good from what I've seen.

[farside22]

Sirry for the snark. I've been saying at least 3 times that renioe had his own case on Konowa and I don't get why I have to repeat myself.

[popsofctown]

prod-dodge. Weekends are harder for me. tomorrow

[Drew-Sta]

@RC: I don't recall calling Goofy scum. But you're right, that post wasn't the bestest ever, indeed, I just wanted to see if there was any useful information, appearently, there wasn't.
@RC&Drew: there are lots of cases going on and the one on Drew is the best, imo, the most convincing, at least. I'll make my ow case on him. I might reread the whole reinoe stuff with an open mind, though. My problem with the reinoe-wagon is that he

implicitely

called the first bracket scum and didn't the second one.
@Drew: defending others is fine, as long as you don't put answers into their mouths and don't do it with BS.

Be very, very explicit as to what part of the arguments against me (seeing as there's only one making them against me and two (you included) attempting to sheep this). I want post numbers and quotes. Otherwise, all I can say is you're not reading it well.

[CooLDoG]

I will read and post tomorrow evening. Just too much to do, and apathy for this monster.

[reinoe]

Hey Dessew,

Spoiler:

I'm about to go to bed and I meant to actually do this earlier.

I'm a town neighbor with Dessew. Dessew please confirm.

[Cyberbob]

[Goofyd00d]

Thank you, I didn't know what to say but you put it eloquently.

[Cyberbob]

I don't know when that emote was put in but I'm glad it was. It's been my crutch this game

[PokerFace]

popsofctown did post so he will not be replaced. Did not see any vote changes.

Day 1 Vote Count:

reinoe (5) - SleepyKrew, CooLDoG, Cyberbob, Goofyd00d, RedCoyote
CooLDoG (3) - I Am Innocent, reinoe, farside22
Drew-Sta (2) - Beck, Dessew
RedCoyote (1) - Drew-Sta
SleepyKrew (1) - popsofctown

Not voting (0) - No one

with 12 alive its 7 to lynch

SleepyKrew is v/la until 8/12/14

Deadline Countdown

(expired on 2014-08-07 20:00:00)

The Rules, Stolen from shaft.ed, TSQ, Mr. Stoofer, Flameaxe, Jdodge:

05. You can vote for no lynch to occur during the day. Simply post VOTE: No Lynch. Should this vote reach a majority, it will happen.

If no majority is reached during a day then there will be a no lynch when that day ends

[farside22]

I don't know when that emote was put in but I'm glad it was. It's been my crutch this game

I think I use it at least once a game.

[Dessew]

Hey Dessew,

Spoiler:

I'm about to go to bed and I meant to actually do this earlier.

I'm a town neighbor with Dessew. Dessew please confirm.

I can confirm this. I have also realized something just now.

[Beck]

Neighbors mean you aren't confirmed town together. If you were that's mason.

[Dessew]

I know.
We had some pre-game chitchat, I don't know how much reinoe wants to share with you, though.

[popsofctown]

Groan....

[reinoe]

There was nothing to discuss. The good stuff is that I'm a 1-shot tracker. Both roles crumbed.

[popsofctown]

Vote: Drew-sta

It's nearing deadline, so I need to vote for a viable lynch, and I have a pretty strong town feel on reinoe. So Drew is my favorite of the other leading wagons. The original case for him itself never clicked for me, but he seems to go about defending himself in a scummy way, occasionally with some condescension that could "yes but that's not why silly" scum defense.

I would vote cooldog if I had to, he's null for me. I would prefer the Drew lynch. The plus is that in one or two people's eyes a Drew scumflip would vindicate reinoe and get them onboard with my thinking on that.

Did anyone have any questions for me I missed? I'm ready to see something flip at this phase of the game, really.

[I Am Innocent]

Willing to switch to Drew, but prefer cooldog