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Post Post #1100 (ISO) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:49 pm

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You know, I think I should just claim now. In a 13 person game, there's probably only one scum left, and I want input from the group before I kill another townie.

I'm a vig. I killed Fitz and Belis. I suspected Fitz to be scum but couldn't really formulate a good argument to sell it, and I thought that Belis might be some kind of third party based on his inside knowledge. I thought that perhaps he declined to kill the first night to protect himself, but I see now that he was simply immune to scum's factional kill. That's really a damn shame, since a mutual claim yesterday would have rendered him confirmed and unkillable. As above, I'd rather use my power like a second lynch rather than act on my own at this point.

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Anaerobic Respiration: Lanius physiology is very unusual - they do not require oxygen to breathe and even actively drain oxygen from any enclosed space they are in. As a result, they can be very effective killing machines, whether they mean to or not - and you definitely mean it. You don't even need to be in the same room, as your position of Senior Engineering Officer means you have direct control over the ventilation system and you can link two rooms so that they become in effect one single chamber. Each night, you may choose to target a player to kill.

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As noted, the fire is the mafia kill, the oxygen deprivation was me. Unless an SK had declined to kill twice, we don't have one in this game.
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Post Post #1101 (ISO) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:02 pm

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Hmmm. Well, that would at least be more balanced but the belli kill was a bad choice. I need to go back and read how you reacted when he claimed. I will do that tomorrow. This is just a reminder to myself.
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Post Post #1102 (ISO) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:03 pm

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Also, did you crumb at all?
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Post Post #1103 (ISO) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:17 pm

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You killed the fireproof? What the fuck? Beli was so obviously town!
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Post Post #1104 (ISO) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:41 pm

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In post 1102, Juls wrote:Also, did you crumb at all?


No, not really. I get PRs very seldom and don't really know how to do it skillfully. I certainly did argue for lynching both of them, though.

In post 1103, Espressojet wrote:You killed the fireproof? What the fuck? Beli was so obviously town!


I disagree, but my suspicion of him was based on my role, so I didn't expect anyone else to see it exactly as I did. Either way, don't vote someone if you think they're an SK. There is almost assuredly not one. And if you want to do NK analysis, look at the burn kills.
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Post Post #1105 (ISO) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:12 pm

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Beli kill was fine actually.

The fitz kill is weird though.
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Post Post #1106 (ISO) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:13 pm

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In post 1096, Juls wrote:
In post 515, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 512, Juls wrote:So let's assume that's what he is claiming. Why are we lynching him again?

Because I have a very hard time believing there's an arsonist in a 13 player setup given when I already know about the setup.

Trying to get Bellisaurius lynched after he claims arsonist info. Killing of former fish in the night who pegged you as scum and your play making sense as a SK (excited to play the game day 1 and building town cred then not doing much on day 2 except riding your early town cred). It just fits.

With Pasch's claim, do you think it makes me scummy for this anymore?
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Post Post #1107 (ISO) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:13 pm

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(also you're dreaming if you think that I, as SK, would kill my most vocal suspect)
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Post Post #1108 (ISO) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:04 pm

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In fact, I'd do exactly what Pasch did and make kills that could be construed as a vig.
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Post Post #1109 (ISO) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:05 pm

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Wait, so fireproof = mafia kill proof?

What the FUCK?
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Post Post #1110 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:01 am

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In post 375, Bella wrote:The crew reached a decision, but the Mantis didn't like it. He hissed and snarled aggressively as the votes were read out, rubbing his sharp claws against each other like a chef sharpening his knives. When the crew turned and began to force him towards the airlock, he did not go quietly. Dodging ferocious Mantis claws, you finally secure him in the airlock. Before you can press the button to depressurize the airlock and vent him into space, the banging of his claws against the door ceased for a moment, and a venomous hiss could be heard.

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Post Post #1111 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:10 am

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In post 1106, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 1096, Juls wrote:
In post 515, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 512, Juls wrote:So let's assume that's what he is claiming. Why are we lynching him again?

Because I have a very hard time believing there's an arsonist in a 13 player setup given when I already know about the setup.

Trying to get Bellisaurius lynched after he claims arsonist info. Killing of former fish in the night who pegged you as scum and your play making sense as a SK (excited to play the game day 1 and building town cred then not doing much on day 2 except riding your early town cred). It just fits.

With Pasch's claim, do you think it makes me scummy for this anymore?

Probably not. Now I am more confused.
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Post Post #1112 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:59 am

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Why don't you step up your other contributions, then, Albert? Your ability to go along with the group is noted. It's not very useful, but it is noted.
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Post Post #1113 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:18 am

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Spoiler: D1 VCs
Albert B. Rampage - 1 (Espressojet) L-6
Anatole Kuragin
- 2 (hitogoroshi, Paschendale) L-5
Aronis - 2 (Albert B. Rampage,
Venrob
) L-5
Belisarius
- 0 () L-7
Espressojet - 1 (
havingfitz
) L-6
havingfitz
- 0 () L-7
hitogoroshi - 0 () L-7
Jargonaut
- 0 () L-7
Paschendale - 0 () L-7
T S O
- 1 (
Jargonaut
) L-6
Venmar - 0 () L-7
Venrob
- 0 () L-7
xRECKONERx - 0 () L-7

Not voting: ,
Anatole Kuragin
, Aronis,
Belisarius
,
T S O
, Venmar, xRECKONERx


Albert B. Rampage - 0 () L-7
Anatole Kuragin
- 2 (Paschendale, Espressojet) L-5
Aronis - 2 (Albert B. Rampage,
Venrob
) L-5
Belisarius
- 0 () L-7
Espressojet - 3 (
havingfitz
,
Anatole Kuragin
,
T S O
) L-4
havingfitz
- 0 () L-7
hitogoroshi - 0 () L-7
Jargonaut
- 1 (xRECKONERx) L-6
Paschendale - 0 () L-7
T S O
- 0 () L-7
Venmar - 0 () L-7
Venrob
- 3 (Aronis,
Jargonaut
, hitogoroshi) L-4
xRECKONERx - 0 () L-7

Not voting:
Belisarius
, Venmar


Albert B. Rampage - 2 (
Belisarius
, Aronis) L-5
Anatole Kuragin
- 2 (Paschendale, Espressojet) L-5
Aronis - 2 (Albert B. Rampage,
Venrob
) L-5
Belisarius
- 1 (
T S O
) L-6
Espressojet - 2 (
havingfitz
,
Anatole Kuragin
) L-5
havingfitz
- 0 () L-7
hitogoroshi - 0 () L-7
Jargonaut
- 0 () L-7
Paschendale - 0 () L-7
T S O
- 0 () L-7
Venmar - 0 () L-7
Venrob
- 3 (
Jargonaut
, hitogoroshi, xRECKONERx) L-4
xRECKONERx - 0 () L-7

Not voting: Venmar


Albert B. Rampage - 4 (
Belisarius
, Aronis, Paschendale, Espressojet) L-3
Anatole Kuragin
- 0 () L-7
Aronis - 0 () L-7
Belisarius
- 1 (
T S O
) L-6
Espressojet - 2 () L-7
havingfitz
- 0 () L-7
hitogoroshi - 0 () L-7
Jargonaut
- 1 (
Anatole Kuragin
) L-6
Paschendale - 0 () L-7
T S O
- 0 () L-7
Venmar - 0 () L-7
Venrob
- 6 (
Jargonaut
, hitogoroshi, xRECKONERx, Venmar,
havingfitz
, Albert B. Rampage) L-1
xRECKONERx - 0 () L-7

Not voting:
Venrob




Albert B. Rampage - 4 (
Belisarius
, Aronis, Paschendale, Espressojet) L-3
Anatole Kuragin
- 0 () L-7
Aronis - 0 () L-7
Belisarius
- 1 (
T S O
) L-6
Espressojet - 2 () L-7
havingfitz
- 0 () L-7
hitogoroshi - 0 () L-7
Jargonaut
- 0 () L-7
Paschendale - 0 () L-7
T S O
- 0 () L-7
Venmar - 0 () L-7
Venrob
- 7 (
Jargonaut
, hitogoroshi, xRECKONERx, Venmar,
havingfitz
,
Anatole Kuragin
, Albert B. Rampage) L-0
xRECKONERx - 0 () L-7

Not voting:
Venrob
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Spoiler: D2 VCs
Albert B. Rampage - 3 (
Jargonaut
, Espressojet,
Belisarius
) L-3
Juls - 0 () L-6
Belisarius
- 4 (Venmar, Albert B. Rampage, Paschendale, xRECKONERx) L-2
Espressojet - 1 (hitogoroshi) L-5
hitogoroshi - 0 () L-6
Jargonaut
- 1 (Juls) L-5
Paschendale - 0 () L-6
T S O
- 0 () L-6
Venmar - 0 () L-6
xRECKONERx - 0 () L-6

Not voting:
T S O



Albert B. Rampage - 3 (
Jargonaut
, Espressojet,
Belisarius
) L-3
Juls - 0 () L-6
Belisarius
- 1 (Paschendale) L-5
Espressojet - 2 (hitogoroshi, Venmar) L-4
hitogoroshi - 0 () L-6
Jargonaut
- 1 (Albert B. Rampage) L-5
Paschendale - 0 () L-6
T S O
- 0 () L-6
Venmar - 1 (Juls) L-5
xRECKONERx - 0 () L-6

Not voting:
T S O
, xRECKONERx


Albert B. Rampage - 0 () L-6
Juls - 0 (Espressojet) L-6
Belisarius
- 1 () L-5
Espressojet - 5 (hitogoroshi, Venmar, Juls,
Jargonaut
, xRECKONERx) L-1
hitogoroshi - 0 () L-6
Jargonaut
- 1 (Albert B. Rampage) L-5
Paschendale - 0 () L-6
Perfect Chaos
- 1 (Paschendale) L-5
Venmar - 0 () L-6
xRECKONERx - 0 (
Perfect Chaos
) L-6

Not voting:
Belisarius


Deadline in: 4 days, 3 hours, 48 minutes



Albert B. Rampage - 3 (hitogoroshi, Juls, Espressojet) L-3
Juls - 1 (
Belisarius
) L-5
Belisarius
- 0 () L-6
Espressojet - 2 (Venmar, xRECKONERx) L-4
hitogoroshi - 0 () L-6
Jargonaut
- 0 () L-6
Paschendale - 1 (Albert B. Rampage) L-5
Formerfish
- 1 (Paschendale) L-5
Venmar - 0 () L-6
xRECKONERx - 1 (
Formerfish
) L-5

Not voting:
Jargonaut




Albert B. Rampage - 5 (hitogoroshi, Juls, Espressojet, Paschendale, xRECKONERx) L-1
Juls - 1 (
Belisarius
) L-5
Belisarius
- 0 () L-6
Espressojet - 1 (Venmar) L-5
hitogoroshi - 0 () L-6
Jargonaut
- 0 () L-6
Paschendale - 1 (Albert B. Rampage) L-5
Formerfish
- 0 () L-6
Venmar - 0 () L-6
xRECKONERx - 1 (
Formerfish
) L-5

Not voting:
Jargonaut




Albert B. Rampage - 5 (hitogoroshi, Juls, Espressojet, Paschendale, xRECKONERx) L-1
Juls - 1 (
Belisarius
) L-5
Belisarius
- 0 () L-6
Espressojet - 1 (Venmar) L-5
hitogoroshi - 0 () L-6
Jargonaut
- 0 () L-6
Paschendale - 1 (Albert B. Rampage) L-5
Formerfish
- 0 () L-6
Venmar - 0 () L-6
xRECKONERx - 0 () L-6

Not voting:
Formerfish
,
Jargonaut




Albert B. Rampage - 4 (hitogoroshi, Espressojet, Paschendale, xRECKONERx) L-2
Juls - 1 (
Belisarius
) L-5
Belisarius
- 0 () L-6
Espressojet - 1 (Venmar) L-5
hitogoroshi - 0 () L-6
mykonian
- 1 (Albert B. Rampage) L-5
Paschendale - 0 () L-6
Formerfish
- 0 () L-6
Venmar - 0 () L-6
xRECKONERx - 0 () L-6

Not voting:
Formerfish
,
Jargonaut
, Juls



Albert B. Rampage - 4 (hitogoroshi, Espressojet, Paschendale, xRECKONERx) L-2
Juls - 2 (
Belisarius
, Albert B. Rampage) L-4
Belisarius
- 0 () L-6
Espressojet - 1 (Venmar) L-5
hitogoroshi - 0 () L-6
mykonian
- 1 (Juls) L-5
Paschendale - 0 () L-6
Formerfish
- 0 () L-6
Venmar - 0 () L-6
xRECKONERx - 0 (
mykonian
) L-6

Not voting:
Formerfish




Albert B. Rampage - 1 (hitogoroshi) L-5
Juls - 0 () L-6
Belisarius
- 1 (Paschendale) L-5
Espressojet - 1 (Venmar) L-5
hitogoroshi - 0 () L-6
mykonian
- 1 (Juls,
Belisarius
,
Formerfish
, xRECKONERx, Espressojet, Albert B. Rampage ) L-5
Paschendale - 0 () L-6
Formerfish
- 0 () L-6
Venmar - 0 () L-6
xRECKONERx - 1 (
mykonian
) L-5
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Post Post #1114 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:18 am

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@Mod: Can you fix my spoiler tags please? I accidentally closed them as area tags.


I'm about to walk out the door to look at a house, I'll go over the VCs when I get back.

Fixed.
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Post Post #1115 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:29 am

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Why didn't you just vig me Paschendale?

My contributions have resulted in two dead scum. Your contributions have resulted in two dead townies. Who is more valuable?
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Post Post #1116 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:57 am

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I'm unreasonably angry that ABR is town.

Pasch, please extemporate on this line, especially the bolded:

I thought that perhaps he declined to kill the first night to protect himself
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Post Post #1117 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:20 am

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There's not much to add. His actions on day 2 looked like he was trying to find someone to pin kills on. Choosing not to kill in order to ensure that such a search couldn't be pointed at him seemed reasonable. His claimed knowledge about there being a SK despite the lack of any SK kills made me suspicious.
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Post Post #1118 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:02 am

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But you said that his immunity to the scum's factional kill is what changed your mind. When was that?
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Post Post #1119 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:05 am

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Also, is that your whole, unaltered role PM? It's fine to say no without details, but don't lie.
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Post Post #1120 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:42 am

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In post 1118, hitogoroshi wrote:But you said that his immunity to the scum's factional kill is what changed your mind. When was that?


I didn't change my mind. His comments made sense once I had the context of how his power worked. I understand why he knew what he knew and why he reached the conclusions he did.

And yes, that is my entire role PM.
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Post Post #1121 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:45 am

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Beli claimed fireproof, why did you want a "mutual claim"
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Post Post #1122 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:30 am

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Something isn't adding up in my brain but I don't really think it matters at this point.

I really, really want to believe Izzy wouldn't put three scum and a serial killer in this setup. So, I'm pretty happy to believe the Pasch claim for now as long as he agrees to work with the town on picking kill targets from here on out.
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Post Post #1123 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:42 am

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D1 Vote Count Analysis

ABR +
Venrob
open up the game both wagoning on Aronis/Juls. Unlikely that Venrob!scum would sheep his buddy onto a town wagon, which makes it unlikely that ABR is scum. Ugh.

Mid-day wagon on Espressojet features fitz, Kuragin, and TSO -- all dead townies. Worth nothing.

Meanwhile,
Jargonaut
spends the day bussing his buddy (Venrob), while Venrob keeps his vote parked on Aronis aka Juls. This makes me think it's unlikely Jargo was bussing Venrob while Venrob bussed Aronis while Aronis bussed Venrob. Willing to call other Venrob wagoners - Aronis/hito - town for now, since I don't think this was some weird double bus to crazytown.

[TOWN: ABR/Aronis/Hito ... SCUM: Espressojet]

Aronis now leaves the Venrob wagon when Beli (deadtown) opens up the opportunity to wagon ABR. Need to read a bit more on reasoning behind the switch, making a mental note. I join the wagon on Venrob. Venrob leaves his vote parked on Aronis. Pasch/Espresso both sit on Kuragin votes (deadtown). I still think Aronis is town despite the wagon hop, because Venrob was just camped out on him.

Then, the dueling wagons emerge: ABR vs Venrob. Two dead townies (TSO/Kuragin) were the only ones not on those wagons. Final scum lynch wagon D1:

Jargo, hito, Reck, Venmar, fitz, Kuragin, ABR

Take out the dead players and you're left with:

hito/Reck/Venmar/ABR

Jargo was already the first vote and drove the long bus on Venrob. What are the odds both scum were willing to bus hard D1? I'm not finding it pretty likely, and I'm finding it more likely that the other scum was sitting on the ABR wagon, hoping the votes would catch up. Jargo was stuck on the bus he started, but another player... another glimmering ray of hope... could try to counterwagon the scumlynch. The ABR wagon was:

Beli (deadtown), Aronis, Pasch, Espressojet

Beli is town. Aronis is unlikely to be scum based on Venrob voteparking there most of the day, along with the weird double double bus situation from earlier. Pasch has now claimed vigilante, so even if he's lying, he's at least the serial killer, which makes him not aligned with the Jargo/Venrob team.

So, that leaves... Espressojet.

Now, this is all obviously a theory. It's
assuming
that Aronis is town due to the voting patterns of his buddies, and it's
assuming
that both Jargonaut AND the last scum wouldn't bus Venrob hard D1 and would at least try to counterwagon. But, following those assumptions, it means it basically HAS to be Espressojet at this point.

VOTE: Espressojet
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Post Post #1124 (ISO) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:47 am

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Now, let's do a thought exercise and see if Espressojet's D2 behavior around Jargonaut makes sense as a buddy.

Espresso starts by joining Jargo & Beli on ABR's wagon, which picks up speed rapidly. They are the first two votes. It could potentially be planned in the scum QT to open up right out of the gate voting for ABR to drive a wagon on him.

Espresso hits L-1, claims the semi-BP bullshit. I don't think this claim holds weight now, given that certain racial passives give bulletproofness... AND, Espresso, as scum, would likely know about the kill method and that it can be stopped by Rockmen. It's not a stretch to think that he is, in fact, a Rockman himself and that's how he has the information.

Oh hold the fucking phone!

WE ALREADY HAD ONE TOWNIE FLIP FIREPROOF, AKA SCUMKILL-PROOF!


In what fucking crazytown universe does town have TWO PERMA-BPS THAT CANNOT BE KILLED BY SCUM!?!?!?

Fuck this rest of this analysis.

ULTRA MEGA SUPERDUPER DEATH CONFIRM VOTE: ESPRESSOJET
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