NY 174: Oldy Mafia 2 (Game Over)

[chamber]

I wouldn't be voting for you if I thought the wagon was terrible. I'm compromising, that doesn't mean I'm willing to lynch literally anyone.

[mathcam]

I haven't put ABR in my scummy pile in a long time, but at this point, it's starting to feel less like "town ABR desperate to lynch" and more like "ABR is realizing he's looking pro-town via his desperation and is intentionally trying to foster that appearance."

Yeah, this is bad. Stop this. ABR is town and I feel his pain. I would love to have more lynching and less twiddling thumbs. This just makes my skin crawl.

Can you explain what is changing your mind towards him being more scummy now?

I think we all feel the pain that you're describing...but have you seen ABR's posts? I think a quick look at ABR's last 20 posts before my sentence that you quoted, it will show what appears to be a schizophrenic voting frenzy which actively works against his professed goal of getting a lynch as quickly as possible. He knows he's gotten a lot of credit for appearing so genuinely frustrated with various aspects of this game -- this spat of posts was the first time it actually felt somewhat forced to me, cultivating exactly that appearance. Also note that his jumping around all over the place makes it very hard to tie him to any scum once they're revealed, so this is a pretty good scum ploy as well. I'm not saying he's ratcheted to the top of my scum list, but it's the first time in a while it's entered my consciousness to question his townliness.

I think Yos makes a lot of sense as scum if Poro flips scum. I'd say lynch Poro first and see. If Poro flips scum, I'll be on Yos like white on rice. If Poro flips town, I might actually go read VitR vs. Yos. That said, no shed tears if Yos is the target for today -- I think he's probably the player I'm most curious about, and boy would we get some interesting information.

[mathcam]

I didn't realize we were so close to deadline. Assuming neither the mathcam nor CDB wagons receive tremendous upswellings in the next few hours, we're down to Poro and Yos. Assuming they vote for each other, our new unofficial vote count would be:

Yosarian2 (6) -- Juls, Albert B. Rampage, chamber, VitR, MBL, Poro
Porochaz (5) -- mathcam, Sotty7, Boo, Green Crayons, Yos

Not voting for either: ChannelDelibird, undo, Spyrex

CDB, undo, and Spyrex should chime in quick if they want a say in where the day ends up.

[undo]

Well... Gonna trust Juls.

Vote: Yosarian

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah, Juls better be right.

[Juls]

Lol...I'm still pretty confident and just finished day 2 but if I am wrong I won't be the first person in this game that's been wrong.

So as of page 2 you can move Mbl and vitr higher on my scum list and probably move boo kitty and abr more toward town. Will post more notes later tonight if it's still day, if not Sotty/undo will get them.

[Juls]

Page 2= day 2

Also, move spyrex to a potential buddy of Mbl

[Albert B. Rampage]

if I am wrong I won't be the first person in this game that's been wrong.

You will be the most important person who has been wrong. Better finish that read quick!

[Juls]

Don't wait on me, I will be fine with a Yos, Poro, Vit, or Spyrex lynch right now (though admittedly I have read like 5 words from SpyreX and I feel like I can read him pretty well so that read is based on his predecessors). Maybe GC. I actually need to look back over some things I saw as inconsistent from GC on day two to see if I think it's a natural thing or a scummy thing.

[Yosarian2]

Yeah, Juls better be right.

You know that she's not. You know that I'm going flip town if you lynch me today.

I really don't get why anybody is actually voting me here. MBL's entire argument has already been confirmed by the masons to be wrong; the masons night-talk apparently happens on-site, which means that the scum's almost certanly is as well, and that means that his entire absurd conspiracy theory of day-talking scum was proven to be impossible long before he even finished making it. You can even see MBL's entire thought process; it's the typical tin foil hat thing of "what if I was wrong about everything and the scum group is the one that makes the least sense" that townies do late game when they get paranoid. It happens all the time. The problem with that is, the thing that makes the least sense usually isn't actually true.

On an unrelated note, if we're that close to deadline, fine.

unvote:mathcam

vote:porochaz

Still not the best lynch we could do today, but it's not the worst, either.

But if you do lynch me, you guys had god damn better lynch VitR and Mathcam tomorrow and the next day. I know you all decided to ignore DGB as soon as she died, but you had better not ignore me. If you people lynch me on this complete BS case and then lose the game for the town by not listening to me after I flip town, I swear I'm going to haunt your asses.

[Porochaz]

Well, his posts today don't make me feel too bad for voting him.

vote yos

Will try and do some more rereading in the next 40 minutes before I go to bed though.

[Porochaz]

Well, his posts today don't make me feel too bad for voting him.

vote yos

Will try and do some more rereading in the next 40 minutes before I go to bed though.

[Yosarian2]

Huh, this is...interesting.

I think Yos makes a lot of sense as scum if Poro flips scum. I'd say lynch Poro first and see. If Poro flips scum, I'll be on Yos like white on rice. If Poro flips town, I might actually go read VitR vs. Yos.

This post doesn't really make sense if Mathcam is scum and porochaz is town, like I was just assuming (literally 15 seconds ago). Something's wrong here.

[Yosarian2]

Either Mathcam's town, or Mathcam and Porochaz are scum together. Nothing else makes sense here.

confirm vote: porochaz

[Juls]

Sorry I haven't kept as close of tabs on today as I have been slogging through the past but can you remind me why you were voting math over Vit since you seemed to be going at it pretty hard.


P-edit: Ugh, another "I will catch up post from Poro".

[Juls]

Ugh, but then 3988 is icky too

[Porochaz]

Not much I can do with work being so busy. Im already staying up late to read something. Im also pretty much okay with day 5. Your entry to the game has been good, CDB's has been underwhelming, not really added much and has gone into lurkerdom. Yos's interactions with scums has been by far the most interesting thing. Mathcam warrants a reread, his post strike me as weird. However will do that tomorrow.

[Green Crayons]

What's wrong with 3988?

[Green Crayons]

I really don't get why anybody is actually voting me here. MBL's entire argument has already been confirmed by the masons to be wrong; the masons night-talk apparently happens on-site, which means that the scum's almost certanly is as well, and that means that his entire absurd conspiracy theory of day-talking scum was proven to be impossible long before he even finished making it. You can even see MBL's entire thought process; it's the typical tin foil hat thing of "what if I was wrong about everything and the scum group is the one that makes the least sense" that townies do late game when they get paranoid. It happens all the time. The problem with that is, the thing that makes the least sense usually isn't actually true.

Someone (chamber?) said that Patrick has a history of not making game mechanics symmetrical.

[chamber]

But I would still expect him to use PTs for everyone if he used them for the Masons, which means even if they had day talk they wouldn't have had access to the PT (because the site was down).

[Juls]

What's wrong with 3988?

It took him 6 minutes to go from "not the best lynch" to "confirm vote"

[Yosarian2]

Ugh, but then 3988 is icky too

How is it "icky"?

If Mathcam is scum, and Porochaz is town, Mathcam wouldn't say "if Porochaz flips town, then yosarian is town". It doesn't make sense as a play.

[Yosarian2]

What's wrong with 3988?

It took him 6 minutes to go from "not the best lynch" to "confirm vote"

So it's "icky" for me to change my mind based on new evidence?

[Juls]

It's not scummy to change your mind. It's scummy to have a drastic change with weak evidence. How does what you posted not make sense so much so that you are suddenly certain of your poro vote?

[Juls]

Actually, Yos, if you end up flipping town, it will be great if you can give me the 3-person pairings that make sense as scum and those that do not make sense as scum.


1) Chamber
2) Porochaz
5) MrBuddyLee
13) mathcam (replacing MafiaSSK)
15) Albert B. Rampage
16) Green Crayons
17) SpyreX (replacing inHimshallibe who replaced Zorblag who replaced Natirasha, who replaced farside22)
18) VitaminR
21) Bookitty (replacing Seol)
22) ChannelDelibird (replacing OhGodMyLife who replaced Kublai Khan who replaced Tigris)