Mini 1597: Runecast Mafia - Day 5

[Konowa]

Konowa has already linked the questions once, and referenced it a second time. How about gameplay506 find them and then get back to Konowa?

[gameplay506]

How about Konowa stops talking like this?

[Konowa]

Konowa wishes that Konowa could, but alas Konowa can not sooooo, how about those questions? Or is gameplay506 just going to find ~reasons~ not to.

[gameplay506]

Gameplay is not gonna search through your iso. At least not now. If you want to make a discussion with Gameplay quote those questions yourself.

[Konowa]

Gameplay is not gonna search through your iso. At least not now. If you want to make a discussion with Gameplay quote those questions yourself.

If gameplay506 is going to taunt Konowa, at least do it right.

[gameplay506]

Stop posting shit. Don't give me the "screw you go find them in my iso" answer.

[HighShroomish]

@kthxbye yes my playstyle is lazy and crap right now because that is usually how I'm stuck on D1.
And, uh, I'm with gameplay506 the post is 146 but I'm not quite sure how those are trying to frame Lynx. Explain, please.

[T-Bone]

@Kthx Re: #210 on the discussion of Geri. UT and I feel this is the reaction of scum who felt like they got caught for the wrong reasons. For me personally when I'm scum, I find everything I post scummy. This is what I think happened here. You asked a question, I voted over it, and he thought he got caught for bad reasons and reacted the way he did.

[Konowa]

Ah, thanks.

It is because none of the actual questions are questions to determine alignment, HighShroomish. The questions are questions that follow circular logic, LynxKuroneko is scum because X, therefore LynxKuroneko is scum. That along with gameplay506's disingenuous back-and-forth with d3x leave Konowa with the feeling that gameplay506 is scum.

[Osseus pseudotripodis]

@Kthx Re: #210 on the discussion of Geri. UT and I feel this is the reaction of scum who felt like they got caught for the wrong reasons. For me personally when I'm scum, I find everything I post scummy. This is what I think happened here. You asked a question, I voted over it, and he thought he got caught for bad reasons and reacted the way he did.

SON OF A WHORE

[Konowa]

Feels like Konowa is stuck in a tunnel. Konowa will fix that today.

[Osseus pseudotripodis]

Ah, thanks.

It is because none of the actual questions are questions to determine alignment, HighShroomish. The questions are questions that follow circular logic, LynxKuroneko is scum because X, therefore LynxKuroneko is scum. That along with gameplay506's disingenuous back-and-forth with d3x leave Konowa with the feeling that gameplay506 is scum.

I agree 100% on this.

[Konowa]

The gods no longer love Konowa

[LynxKuroneko]

@ Ansuz - I was voting d3x because his reasons for defending TunnelMates didn't seem right to me. Few others seemed voteworthy at the time, so my irritation warranted a vote. It didn't get many reactions out of anyone, leading me to feel they might not be scum after all.

Regarding Post #180 A while ago as in by measurement of time. Not sure why page # would matter at this point.

@ MantisDreamz - This is my first game - ever -. I'm playing in a way that I feel works for me. Make what you guys want of it. We'll see what happens, won't we?

In response to #210 - - This was my incentive to vote him. If he's challenging people to vote him if they think he's scummy, then I'll gladly make it happen. I feel I'm allowed to keep my vote on someone as long as they're on my scum list, especially if there's no wagon / overall agreement. If you guys truly can't accept that, don't play the game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p6104358 - You're quite against Gameplay506's motives, and HighShroomish has pulled a blunt hit and run vote on me. You wouldn't consider them based on their actions, while Burning_Earth did what HighShroomish did on a lesser scale, and hiplop simply has been unresponsive?

Gameplay506, you're losing it. You're really hoping to get my head off today, eh? Shifted your attention to me after one person put me on the chopping block alongside you, in the hopes that I'd take the heat? One thing about you is certain; you're not a people person. Either do the research or stop playing detective. You're worse than a Spy from Team Fortress 2.

Who's this!? (Read back on page 1. Cool pic! )

I've felt like this before so hang in there!

[gameplay506]

So Lynx if I am a bad detective than you have to be supeeer bad simply cus I am town. Also I am ok with people voting me and you will see why. Yet the more you post the more I like my vote on you.

[gameplay506]

So Lynx you are being scum read as much as I am. Does that make you not a people's person?
Laughing my ass off with that last post.

[d3x]

For those who are just skipping over these anyway, I'll be putting my arguments in spoiler tags. I recommend you read them, though. They're really beautifully crafted labors of love.

Spoiler: Regarding gameplay

In post 31 I say that in your post 28 you make a big deal of me calling the formed wagons RVS wagons. Yet note that I didn't vote you for this.

You've finally seen the point of this whole thing! In p31, you say I'm making a big deal over the RVS Wagons. This is what I have been asking you to explain. How was I making a big deal out of the RVS Wagons? This is exactly what you've been avoiding answering. You know what I think? The same Tell that is currently being applied to geraintm should be applied to you here. I just wanted your opinion, but you starting getting defensive. After that, you've avoided the question and conflated my attitude and treatment of you. You've also started dropping one liners making it sound as if I'm saying things I have not said and have further avoided the issue when you've been called to task over it. Further, it makes no matter that you didn't Vote me over it; although at the time, you seemed to think that you

did

Vote me...

My vote on dex isn't as serious as my kater stage votes, but yet not pure RVS.

So where exactly does the misrepping come from?

Funny you should ask. Are you reading my posts? I'm feeling like you aren't.

You're misrep'ing me to make it sound like I'm denying going aggro on you.

D3x agggressive? Nope.

It continues along the same lines with this little gem.

I never said the aggression I am voting you for is located just in your first post concerning me.

I never said any of this, yet you're trying to defeat my arguments by deflecting and debating under the premise that I did.

I also love how you tried to Strawman my reasoning for Voting you, I called you on it, and you have neither denied the Strawman, nor tried to argue my reasoning. What you

have

done is try to laugh it off and started resorting to baseless namecalling. How's the old "I'm rubber, you're glue" defense working for you?

@d3x before you go like "oh gp why did you unvote me?" I will answer you.

I didn't give a shit that you Voted me in the first place, why would I care that you UnVoted me?

Spoiler: Regarding Lynx

My first few posts were

flavorful

selfgratifying wordcount extravaganzas that were seriously lacking in content

Ftfy.

Burning_Earth and HighShroomish, you two are suspecting me for trying to make sense out of the situation?

I've listed the applicable posts below. Please explain how you translated them into "trying to make sense of the situation". Please add any quotes form these two that helped you come to this conclusion.

I'm liking lynx for scum ATM

Okay, well

UNVOTE
VOTE: LYNX

Everything has already been said...

d3x, what's funny to me is that you're so defensive about the votes on TunnelMates. Here are the votes on him;

#14 and #17 (in two nearly empty posts?)

Clearly RVS, because those are not 'scum reads' and therefore are not legitimate.

Ok, let's hash out this shit right fucking now. Firstly, almost 200 posts ago, I said that HS's Vote is nonsense. Good job arguing a point I dropped 7 pages ago. Secondly, you keep saying that Kthx's Vote isn't legitimate, but you also keep ignoring my responses. Kthx has said that his Vote was legit. His Vote has accompanying reasoning behind it, which he has explained numerous places. Why do you keep repeating that his Vote isn't legit, while ignoring the evidence that it is?

What upsets me is that you insist your argument makes sense.

You haven't even tried to show that it doesn't. You've just been saying the same thing over and over. Let me try this another way... what makes a Vote legitimate? I really want you to answer this, so I'll say it again. What makes a Vote legitimate?

In other news...

Lol @ Lynx's Reads List. Dude, you are

way

out of your depth.

I feel strongly that gameplay swapped his Vote for 2 reasons.
1- He got no traction against me. And could only attempt to dodge/redirect my points against him.
2- A few had expressed LynxScum leanings. Lynx is in the wrong game and it'll be easier for gp to mount an offense against a newb that is floundering.

gp's p146 is full of weasel turns of the phrase to make Lynx's points sound way scummier than they actually are.
A few examples-
1.

You're one of the players under fire, so you've found a way to redirect that at me, it seems.

Hm no sorry. I am not the only one under fire.

2.

I can't possibly see what' scummy about listing those who place suspicion on me, but I gave my reasons why.

So whoever scumreads you automatically gets into your scum list?

You know, I think I <3 you Konowa...

d3x, surprisingly, is reading town to me atm.

While I definitely don't have you anywhere near a ScumRead, what is this about? You usually TownRead me until the Day's almost out. Then you go all paranoid apeshit in the last few hours of Daylight.

@Konowa if you think I am scum vote me.

Lol... Konowa has been Voting you for freaking

ages

.

gameplay seems town.

Based on what?

Out of the list of TM, HS, geraintm, Lynx, and hiplop; Who would you be willing to vote (can be more than 1) and which do you think is most likely to flip scum and why?

Meh. I don't really have anything against Lynching any of those chumps, but I don't really have a hard on for any of them swinging. I'd pry rate them as such...

Ropeworthy

-TM>hiplop>HS>geraintm>Lynx-

To be Sorted Later

How about Konowa stops talking like this?

He clearly has a post restriction, dude. Stop being annoying.

There's room for you on the Wagon, OP. I'll even bake you both cookies!

I was voting d3x because his reasons for defending TunnelMates didn't seem right to me.

Wait, what? Where was I defending TM?

Ffs... this ended up being a Wall even with spoilering the early gp and Lynx shit...

url tag fixed in first spoiler section. - f

[d3x]

@

Mod

- There's a broken url tag towards the end of the 1st spoilered section. Could you fix it, pretty plz?

done. - f

[LynxKuroneko]

That's fine with me. I have to learn some how. Like I said, I'm playing the way I feel works for me. Don't expect someone to play flawlessly (or by your standards) on their first game. I'm fine with people voting me as well. That's how these things work; the chances of Day 1 Scum lynches are 3 / 13 (not sure how many scum are in this game actually).

But, you're the first player who's claiming town. You shouldn't have to if you were and felt people would come to that conclusion.

I am being scum read; and I'll leave it to other players to come to conclusions based on the interactions that happened this day to make the right choices, should I get lynched. Only mafia try so hard to corner town. Town simply tries hard to expose scum. And I don't need to be a people person to get the job done. There are four others who openly see me as town.

Can you say the same for yourself?

[gameplay506]

Kk go all on me. Waiting to be put on L-1. Once that happens you may start believing me.

[Osseus pseudotripodis]

@d3x, we're tempted, but tell us about Geri first.

That's fine with me. I have to learn some how. Like I said, I'm playing the way I feel works for me. Don't expect someone to play flawlessly (or by your standards) on their first game. I'm fine with people voting me as well. That's how these things work; the chances of Day 1 Scum lynches are 3 / 13 (not sure how many scum are in this game actually).

But, you're the first player who's claiming town. You shouldn't have to if you were and felt people would come to that conclusion.

I am being scum read; and I'll leave it to other players to come to conclusions based on the interactions that happened this day to make the right choices, should I get lynched. Only mafia try so hard to corner town. Town simply tries hard to expose scum. And I don't need to be a people person to get the job done. There are four others who openly see me as town.

Can you say the same for yourself?

Okay first, stop talking about your playstyle. It's counter productive. Talking about the 'odds of lynching scum' is also counter productive, don't do that. 2nd, stop playing the martyr. You haven't been lynched, stop talking like you will.

[fferyllt]

VC 1.5

At Ithavoll met
the mighty gods,
Shrines and temples
they timbered high;
Forges they set, and
they smithied ore,
Tongs they wrought,
and tools they fashioned.

gameplay506

(3): Konowa, d3x, LynxKuroneko

LynxKuroneko

(2): gameplay506, Kthxbye

geraintm

(2): Osseus pseudotripodis, Ansuz

TunnelMates

(2): Mantisdreamz, Burning_Earth

Ansuz

(1): geraintm

No Lynch

(1): HighShroomish

Osseus pseudotripodis

(1): hiplop

Not Voting

(1): TunnelMates

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: August 20, Midnight US Eastern Time

Countdown: (expired on 2014-08-19 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

-

[Osseus pseudotripodis]

Kk go all on me. Waiting to be put on L-1. Once that happens you may start believing me.

I take your threat and raise you a...

Vote: gameplay506

lol guys we'll be sorry

[gameplay506]

2 more pls. Wanna claim

[Osseus pseudotripodis]

You're gonna claim scum and out the scumteam right?