Alice in Wonderland - [Game Over!]

[MattP]

I just want to also voice my opinion and say that Vi and notscience are town

[Salamence20]

Vi, if you are in a hood. You know it was locked in pregame.

So why would one hood be locked and the other not locked.

Yours was locked
Mine was locked

Im pretty sure 4burner's second hood was unlocked

VOTE: 4Burner

[MattP]

I think 4burner is a good lynch [:

[Konowa]

Vi was questioned. I was weighing in. Not a major issue at all, no, but in the first 3 pages it stood out as important to me. More important than anything going on with Cupcake/Nati/Mala.

But you saw fit to give Nati a townread?

The amount of speculation and outguessing the mod is nauseating thus far.

[Konowa]

Like, that is what does not follow for me.

[4burner]

Leaning town. Not saying "def town", but leaning town, yes. Gut and that brief analysis pointed me there.

From memory, Nati was not doing a whole lot, but not coming off as suspicious. Not hindering town, at any rate. Vi had some questioning and I commented.

[Salamence20]

But why!?

[hiplop]

holy shit this is 27 pages already

[Konowa]

But why!?

This is what I am trying to understand.

VOTE: Natirasha

I almost ignored my normal rule though.

D

Vote: Aronis

(L-8)

You

do

exist!

What in your gut/brief analysis says this is town?

[Konowa]

I almost feel whip/dead horse at this point.

[Le Cupcake]

I'm really interested to know what MattPs alignment is

[Konowa]

That was bugging me as well.

Last time I saw Matt play (sometime last year?), it was uberaggressiveabrasivediescumdie regardless of alignment, and now? It has thrown me for a loop.

[Salamence20]

Kats: put burner at L-1 and lets go.

I can worry about MattP tonight/tomorrow

[4burner]

But why!?

This is what I am trying to understand.

VOTE: Natirasha

I almost ignored my normal rule though.

D

Vote: Aronis

(L-8)

You

do

exist!

What in your gut/brief analysis says this is town?

Townish. Not trying to play games, not hindering, not playing with fear. Also the bus post rejoinder. Was obviously watching the thread and content to see what happens, which didn't strike me as particularly scummy. Ergo, townish vibes.

I almost feel whip/dead horse at this point.

Agreed.

[Rogue]

blows Blue cat avvie in a ball of smoke

(aka dayvig)

Say your last words scumcat~

[4burner]

...?

[Skullduggery]

As for Sal I am suspecting

Sal...scum vanillaizer
Reinoe...town victim
Someone else... scum post restrictor

Sal's vanillaizing csn "remove" a PR bc his buddy just does not pr the same target.

If someone refuses the vanilla, scum assume they are a PR.

This us why Sal should not use his abilityunless someone volunteers.

So then what do you make of Salamence's insistence that he only plans to use his ability once? Wouldn't it become crystal-clear that Salamence is Scum is he Vanillaizes someone without their consent? He has to post the command in the thread, so it's not like he'd be able to do it without anyone noticing. If he uses is ability on anybody else without their consent, we lynch him. Simple as that. I think he realizes that. Regardless of whether there's a "Scum post restrictor" in the game, I don't see any Scum motivation behind Salamence's actions so far. What does Scum have to gain by Vanillaizing Reinoe? The only way it makes sense is if Salamence and Reinoe are both Scum together, but that's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

I'm trying to trademark "Sala's gambit" What do you think?

Sounds good. How about "A Gambit for Every Gambit"? Maybe that can be your custom title someday.

With all due respect, your posts really aren't helpful to anyone except yourself (if that). Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, you're wrong, so I shall correct you. Not everyone is a fan of my style, but playing this way on Day 1 helps me get my bearings, interact with many players at once, initiate conversations, and create interactions that may not have happened without a little poking and prodding. When it's Day 6 and you're re-reading the thread to see what you missed the first time, you'll be thankful that I asked some seemingly pointless question on Day 1 that caused a player to say something noteworthy. I hardly think it's fair to say I'm not being helpful just because you aren't considering the long-term benefits of my posts.

"With all due respect," of course.

Skull, I'm fairly confident there are two scum in 4 and Vi/Reinoe/NS. There may be a possible 2nd scum in my hood, and one that isn't.

That's all fine and dandy...but why is this post specifically directed at me?

Yeah, I'm sorry still not liking the fast lynch on 4burner even if he's appealing to me a bit. =\
He's really new to the site.

I fail to see how that's relevant. Can you elaborate on why 4burner being new means that he's not Scum?

Humour me for a moment. When I flip town, what is your next move? Because the crowds will be after you for how vociferously you've come after me.

If you are indeed town, your extreme focus on me is going to get you lynched next when I flip, which is 2 town down.

Why are you so certain that Notscience will be lynched when/if you die and flip Town? Is Town not allowed to be wrong?

For what it's worth, I'm Vanilla Town, in a hood with Sala and some others.

I am the King of Hearts, Vanilla Town, in our hood.

If you're in a Neighborhood, then shouldn't you be a "Neighbor" instead of a "Vanilla Townie"? I'm curious about your word choice here.

But, lets say that mafia QT was open pregame. The scum Alice knows who the other alice's are. Now all the mafia know who the alices are. It's not that farfetched that mafia may know the Neighborhoods beforehand.

Erm, how do you know that there's a "Scum Alice"? All we know is that there are three Alices in the game. There's no guarantee that they aren't all the same alignment

Also, even if we assume that one of the Alices is Scum, how would that mean that Scum knows who the other two are? I don't follow your logic here at all.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aronis

I don't believe for a second that Reinoe is Town just because he has a post restriction, but since the deed has already been done, we might as well wait and see what happens.

Still trying to decide what I think about 4burner at the moment. Definitely want to chat with him a bit first.

Explain, plz.

What would you like me to explain -- the vote on you, my suspicion of Reinoe, or my wishy-washy opinion of 4burner?

Second, I’d like to know if Vanillizing someone in a neighborhood would remove them from said neighborhood. Might be worth asking FG, Salamence.

That's actually a pretty good point. Now that you mention it, I am also curious about this.

Fourth, Skullduggery asked about scum-Aronis vs. town-Aronis. If Aronis makes it to Day 3 without being lynched or vigged, then we should start questioning his townness, if you know what I mean, haha. But I’m not going to provide examples. That’s too much work. Why can’t you just take my word for it? And if you don’t believe me, then you can dig up the evidence yourself. A more hostile/offensive Aronis is more town-indicative. Some lurking will happen with him both ways. Again, this almost identical to Fortnight Aronis.

I spectated the second half of Fortnight, and Aronis doesn't look at all like the way he played there. Where has he demonstrated "hostile/offensive" tendencies in this game?

I just don't understand why you're so willing to decree that Aronis is Town when the reasons you're providing don't even make sense. And no, telling me to go look stuff up myself isn't the same as explaining your stance and quoting examples. If it's so obvious that he's Town, then you shouldn't have any trouble saying why you think so, right? I'd be more willing to take your word for it if you gave me a reason to do so.

ALSO THERE IS THIS PATTERN

WHERE BURNER JOINS WHICHEVER WAGON IS GAINING MOMENTUM SUPPOSEDLY THROUGH HIS OWN ANALYSIS

What part about 501 did you not like?

I'm really interested to know what Prof Fridays role is

...Okay? And?

[Skullduggery]

My brain is actively melting and dripping out of my ears now, so I'm just gonna...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vi

Maybe I'll explain tomorrow. Or maybe I won't. Meh.

[Malakittens]

blows Blue cat avvie in a ball of smoke

(aka dayvig)

Say your last words scumcat~

That's actually a first for me....

[notscience]

I giggled

[Malakittens]

Burner answer my question.

[Skullduggery]

NS can you link to borkgame with slip plz

This post in particular. The neighborhood in question was me (Town), Brian Skies (Town), Sangres (Town), Macmollie (Scum with Flandre), and Aegor (Serial Killer).

Make of it what you will.

[4burner]

@Skull-

I was a little butthurt when exclaiming "Town will avenge me!" What I'm really getting at, is that when I flip town it won't look good on NS or Cupcakes for pushing my lynch so hard. But I think it's come full circle and now it's a case of "scum wouldn't dare push so hard". Which is wifom in itself, really.

As to the second, I am Vanilla Town. I'm sure there are other VT's in a Hood with the same role, but I wouldn't ask any who aren't already outed to come forward and second that. Sala, the only other one in my hood, is Roled and in the hood, so I'm not so sure he will be able to help, here.

P-Edit Mala sorry, what question?

[hiplop]

so many walls in this game my god

pretty sure Vi is town. Just there is no scum motivation behind a lot of the weird things shes doing.

Not liking 4burner at all. Definitely seems like new scum to me.

renoie is town. Salamence is trying too hard.

4burner got a wagon WAY too fast. Think im taking my scum-read back.

UNVOTE: notty

He's making me laugh. Although that could be scum-notty manipulating me right now, but nope don't want to vote him anymore.

VOTE: WHAT HIS NAME. THE ONE WITH THE BLUE CAT AVVIE

THIS GUY HAS GOT TO BE SCUM BECAUSE OF REASONS

Not understanding the vi wagon

VOTE: 4burner

[4burner]

Is Rogue someone's alt?