Mini 1597: Runecast Mafia - Day 5

[LynxKuroneko]

@ Ansuz - I answered that in the same sentence.

And I thought you wanted to wait until hiplop's next posts?

@ d3x - But the moon still follows a pattern.

I'd like having something to analyze from each player after a lynch.

Some of hiplop's vote just seem too casual. If its a wagon for reactions; that's one thing. But this is turning into a mob.

HighShroomish from what I'm reading has been MIA since the 13th after settling for gameplay506 being 'dumb town' and posting nothing of worth. A wagon then piled onto him, to no effect. Didn't fight back, nobody defended him.

Hiplop decides to come back, bash me while saying nothing else, inciting a blank vote from d3x (explaining after being satisfied with getting reactions... Oh, the same thing I wanted to do earlier that people used against me!)

geraintm, would you still like this to happen? If not, what's your take on the situation?

Anyway. The moon has phases, but doesn't rotate.

[d3x]

It's Shakespeare, Lynx... settle down.

[LynxKuroneko]

Doubt thou the stars are fire,  
Doubt that the sun doth move,
Doubt truth to be a liar,
But never doubt I love.

[Burning_Earth]

Hiplop has been posting nothing but fluff.

Please hammer lynx, or at least after the next wave of crap.

[Ansuz]

And I thought you wanted to wait until hiplop's next posts?

Never said that I didn't.
I don't think that voting HighShroomish means that you're more likely to hear his thoughts, and I don't think not voting him will mean he will hold back more thoughts than he would otherwise.

[Ansuz]

Some of hiplop's vote just seem too casual. If its a wagon for reactions; that's one thing. But this is turning into a mob.

I'm not wagoning for reactions, and I don't think other people are either. I think there's enough on the table to lynch him and I'd like to see him lynched.

[Ansuz]

Especially when this is his reaction to being lynched. If I were town and someone declared intent to hammer after my next string of posts and then LOLhammered immediately afterwards, I'd have a much more poignant reaction than "ugh". And, we know he's around. We know he's reading. Why hasn't he popped up with a post yet?

[LynxKuroneko]

@ Burning_Earth - Several players have posted fluff. I don't see why that makes hiplop a better target. But I'll note your enthusiasm to euthanize him.

@ Ansuz - You're right about that. I suppose this'll at least get us started on decoding this mess.

But it won't be MY vote hammering, that's for sure.

[d3x]

@Lynx- What specifically makes you think hiplop is Town?

[LynxKuroneko]

I never said those words. ISO me if you must.

My reason for not wanting to continue the wagon is simple; I'm looking for general reactions / reasoning in players.

The first lynch is quite significant and often sheds light on Day 1 posts.

Then there's the fact that hiplop (while not contributing much) is doing less harm than others. Sure he's running a smear campaign on me, attempting to feed and stoke the flames that a few others craved (personally that's scum motivation), but I have to be sure our last general suspect, HighShroomish, isn't allowed to hide into a corner, ignored by everyone, after having avoided a wagon for no reason at all.

Just because I'm content to see a scummy person lynched doesn't mean I'm not going to want to lynch the best possible target or obtain the most information I can before it happens.

But you can continue to push this wagon; like I said: if he pops up town, I'll know who to go after. If he's scum, then kudos, town!

[d3x]

I didn't say you said that, but here's the reality of Mafia. Players are either Town or they're Scum. You helped run up this Wagon and then you backed off at the last second {so much so that the Mod thought there was a Lynch with you on it}. You then said you will not Hammer him. That clearly speaks to you having him as a Town Read.

[hiplop]

Hiplop has been posting nothing but fluff.

Please hammer lynx, or at least after the next wave of crap.

how? this isnt even close to accurate

[hiplop]

no one skeptical of how my wagon went from 0-l-1 in like one day? With no one really saying why

cuz its a fucking garbage wagon

[hiplop]

look at the second fortnite for example of this exact same shit happening to me at the end

[Osseus pseudotripodis]

I'm sorry, is anyone pretending that we shouldn't kill this?

[LynxKuroneko]

1) I openly supported this wagon with the intention of getting a response from hiplop. Didn't you and gameplay506 discuss the many uses of a wagon?

2) I won't consciously lynch someone unless I'm 100% sure it'll benefit my personal agenda. Right at this very moment I don't feel it will.

3) We've four days left, and I'm not in a rush to kill. If I'm caught in a wagon on someone I'm not 100% sure on, then I'm left hoping it was for the best.

4) If he's scum, then that makes me prime suspect, doesn't it? But if he's town and I lynch, it'll look bad on my part. I'm not putting myself in that position.

[hiplop]

Os is scum.

fuck

[d3x]

I openly supported this wagon with the intention of getting a response from hiplop.

What do you consider the most important information that you got from supporting this Wagon?

I won't consciously lynch someone unless I'm 100% sure it'll benefit my personal agenda.

Then you will never Lynch someone. There is

always

a measure of doubt {PR results not withstanding}.

We've four days left, and I'm not in a rush to kill.

The amount of time left has 0 bearing on the scumminess of a player and should not be used as a justification for Lynching/not Lynching.

If he's scum, then that makes me prime suspect, doesn't it?

No. That's not how this game works.

But if he's town and I lynch, it'll look bad on my part. I'm not putting myself in that position.

This isn't Survivor, it's Mafia. Who the fuck cares if something makes you look bad? Unless you're 3rd party, your survival has no bearing on your WinCon.

[d3x]

Please note that hiplop has not responded to the case put forth against him by multiple players {myself included}. He has instead chosen to continue empty posting.

[Ansuz]

But it won't be MY vote hammering, that's for sure.

Why? You still think that he's scum.
You agree nothing that he's done looks mildly townish.
Are you just afraid to hammer? I can unvote if that's the case.

[LynxKuroneko]

1) Right now, the fact that nobody is defending hiplop, whatsoever.

2) You're right. I'm happy to support wagons, but I won't actively pursue a lynch unless there's no shred of doubt (and like you stated, there always will be).

3) I never made a connection between time left and 'scumminess'.

4) I'll accept this shard of wisdom in your name.

5) I think the many town players care. Town suspecting town is probably not the best situation for town in general, don't you think?

Anyone else see the irony? Hiplop being the first wagon and the first lynch?

Vote: hiplop

[Ansuz]

Then there's the fact that hiplop (while not contributing much) is doing less harm than others. Sure he's running a smear campaign on me, attempting to feed and stoke the flames that a few others craved (personally that's scum motivation)

"I mean sure, look at this list of scummy shit that he did, but he's not doing THAT much harm!"
What the hell is this? Why would you back off hiplop when you're still not satisfied that hiplop is town? Is your method really to interrogate and get a reaction out of every player regardless of what their reaction is? Sure, some players are getting less pressure than others, but it seems like you're not going to be able to pressure every single player at the same time and whenever you're pressuring one player, you're letting others get away.

4) If he's scum, then that makes me prime suspect, doesn't it? But if he's town and I lynch, it'll look bad on my part. I'm not putting myself in that position.

You look scummier based on your treatment of the wagon regardless of hiplop's alignment.

[LynxKuroneko]

Shh, there's a lynch going on!

[Ansuz]

???
now why did you hammer?

[LynxKuroneko]

I grew balls, of course! You and d3x raised good points. I considered. I decided.