Mini 1601: B_E's Mind Mafia ABANDIFIED

[hephaestus]

That sounds like it's basically omgus

[Aegor]

VOTE: Csareo

[Csareo]

That sounds like it's basically omgus

how? I've seen this as objective behavior for scum.
Have you ever seen a town player so void of emotion in his posts.
It shows that you're the deciever, and not the hunter.

Note: It was a policy vote, I stated I may remove it.

[hephaestus]

How is it a policy vote if you think he's scum?

[Aegor]

Csareo, what is a policy vote?

[Aegor]

Also,

FoS: ABR

for his OMGUS.

[Riddleton]

> Z:\home\Riddleton ~$: Proceed. To. Write. Emotional. Response.

[Riddleton]

See? I can joke too.

[Riddleton]

Csareo

: Please don't make any assumptions about my meta as town or scum. If you think I'm scum please post some actual reasoning behind it and not some bullshit based on how "emotional" I am.

[Riddleton]

99% of the time, meta is meaningless. A lot of people like to change their meta to not be caught. I don't do that, but you guys have only seen me play about 5 games here on MS (only 2 finished), so meta is not the tool to use to catch me should I hypothetically be scum.

I'm saying this should you (Csareo) be town (I doubt it). In-game evidence is much more concrete than meta evidence.

[Csareo]

Csareo, what is a policy vote?

A vote based on policy, e.g, vote inactives to prevent inactivity, e.g, vote people giving bad theory to dispromote bad theory.

[Aegor]

Csareo, what is a policy vote?

A vote based on policy, e.g, vote inactives to prevent inactivity, e.g, vote people giving bad theory to dispromote bad theory.

Great. How is your vote on Riddleton a policy vote?

[Ythill]

Too much noise in here. Also, Csareo's #172 was scummy like whoa.

unvote, vote Riddleton

This is what it looks like when I actually sheep Kid. IMO, the game state suggests that a few other townies should do the same.

[Riddleton]

Csareo still hasn't explained his vote against me. He first said he thought my "defences were flip-flopping" (#161) but later switched his mind and said it was a policy vote. Please answer my question in #162. I asked you why you thought my defences were bad, and why "I've changed my mind through behaviour analysis".

I can see you're trying to start a wagon against me, but for the love of god try harder. Please? <3

[Burning_Earth]

Replacing Darkcrimson. Also, Elias_the_thief replaces VisceraEyes

[Elias_the_thief]

Howdy all. Glad to be returning from my hiatus in a game with a few other old fogies. Reading the game thread now, will post thoughts and such soon.

[Burning_Earth]

Csareo (3): Riddleton, Hephaestus, Aegor
Kid A (1): dybeck
Hephaestus (2): NicCage, Darkcrimson
T S O (1): PMysterious
Aegor (1): Albert B. Rampage
Riddleton (3): Kid A, Csareo, Ythill

Not voting (2) Elias_The_Thief T S O

7 to lynch

[Riddleton]

Welcome,

Elias

.

[Riddleton]

@mod: There are currently 3 votes for me. Ythill has voted for me too

Oh sorry
-BE

[Burning_Earth]

Deadline is (expired on 2014-08-28 02:25:00)

EDIT: and NicCage gets a prod

[Ythill]

@mod: I unvoted Csareo. He has three votes now.

What are you talking about?

-B_E

[Elias_the_thief]

Goddamn. This game is all over the place, and hard to read. Here's where I'm at right now...apologies for a semi large post.

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The first thing that got my attention was Csareo's 14. I don't like a lot of what's going on there. Phrases like "fellow townies", and telling other players how to respond to game events seems scummy to me. His interaction with Riddleton, in particular, is quite interesting.

Farther into my read, I feel a lot better about Csareo. Well, maybe better isn't the right word. I don't feel strongly that he is town or scum at this point. He is, well, illogical. If you look at how he's played this game from either alignment, its just kinda bad.

Finally, more farther (heh) into my read, Csareo is looking scummy again. His insistence that he has made a "policy" vote and will change it easily seems off and anti-town to me (what's the point of making the vote if you admit its meaningless and temporary, other than appeasing the pressure you're receiving...?). Also, the emotion based argument holds no water for me. How can you come into a game discussing your meta, and then prosecute a player for a generalization? And one that sounds as if you made it up just now for convenience?

Further, the notion of Riddleton flip-flopping is fabricated...he never called Csareo town.

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I don't think Ythill's change in stance was too abnormal, especially that early in the game. I agree that Riddleton's FOS doesn't make very much sense. Ythill feels town to me.

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Kid A seems to be coasting on minimal posts. Interested to see whether he will come up with this case that he has promised, but glad that he has at least committed to an opinion and a vote.

Dybeck has posted about 50/50 between content and filler posts. His avatar has shown up plenty, but there's not much to say where his suspicions lie. Will be interested in seeing what he comes up with when he returns Monday. Leaning scum based on how he's said so little about so much game.

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ABR is being ABR. Having played with him before, that's all I have to say about that.

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Riddleton feels neutral to me. I don't agree with everything he's done/said, but he appears to be hunting.

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Leaning town on Aegor. Appears to be hunting.

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Dont like 110 from Heph. Otherwise okay with his posts. Appears to be hunting.

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Leaning town on T S O. Asking the right questions and hunting.

@T S O: Who are your reads other than Csareo?

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I believe that concludes the active players in this game. I will refrain from voting for now. I'd like to see responses to this post. I'm not 100% convinced of Csareo as scum and not just bad town...but he has lied and exhibited other examples of anti-town behavior. Would not be upset if he went today. Would also be down for a Dybeck wagon after he returns, see if he's got anything useful to say (besides ironically asking for something useful from ABR).

[Elias_the_thief]

Too much noise in here. Also, Csareo's #172 was scummy like whoa.

unvote, vote Riddleton

This is what it looks like when I actually sheep Kid. IMO, the game state suggests that a few other townies should do the same.

If that post was so scummy, why are you following Csar's lead and voting Riddleton? What has Riddleton done that warrants jumping off a wagon, right after its target makes a post that is "scummy like whoa"?

[Riddleton]

I'm not 100% convinced of Csareo as scum and not just bad town...but he has lied and exhibited other examples of anti-town behavior.

I considered him being VI but it just doesn't make sense with some of the things he's said, in that he implies a lot of previous off-site experience in #14, as well as some of his lying and manipulation as you said. I'm not as inflexible to suggest I'm only out for Csareo's blood; but I can't see any other viable scum candidates at the moment. It would make sense for Csareo to be scum.

[Riddleton]

Dont like 110 from Heph. Otherwise okay with his posts. Appears to be hunting.

I think 110 is fine. I see it as sarcastic.