micro 372: game over

[AngryPidgeon]

Actually Taletale, I was thinking Flubber is more likely Mafia than Werewolf.

What are you even talking about? Isn't "werewolf" just another name for "mafia"? The terminology might be a little different but I thought the idea was the same. Is it not?

Hm, I'm not quite sure where to begin explaining since some of this may be obvious to you, but:

There can be more than one scumteam or anti-town entity in games. It is somewhat common to see a mafia team and also a Serial Killer. In that case there are 2 anti-town factions and all 3 are competing against each other.

In normal games, werewolves are functionally the same as mafia (except with different flavor). It is possible that it is just werewolves in this game and no mafia. (Actually that is an interesting thought). I am assuming that there are 2 different scum teams though with 1-2 members each, one being the mafia and one being werewolves. Jingles flip + my role PM makes it very clear that either there is Mafia in the game or some roles in the game are purely here to confuse people.

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When I said I think Flubber is more likely mafia than Werewolf, that has a couple implications. Firstly, it means he didn't know Brood was scum. Part of your case on him involves him fencesitting on Brood in a way you think was intended to take a non-stance on a buddy whilst avoiding pushing him. This IS plausible and I see why you think it, but my gut thinks that Flubber is not on Brood's team if he is scum. I can explain that later, but continuing on: Secondly, If there ARE two anti-town teams, they will each get a kill every night. It could be beneficial to try and aim for a hypothetical 2nd werewolf so we are only dealing with 1 anti-town kill every night if we do succeed.

Now there was only one kill last night which could mean a couple things...
1) Its only werewolves and no mafia - my role (and probably others) are red herrings.
2) There was only one werewolf and this is 6:2:1 or 7:1:1
3) A kill was stopped or both teams killed jingle.

Honestly I don't know what is more likely. Common sense would indicate that 5:2:2 in a micro is insane unless its stacked with power and there is likely investigative things on both scumteams. Its possible Its just 2 werewolves and a lot of this is just there to confuse.

[mykonian]

votecount

Flubbernugget (1): TellTaleHeart
AngryPidgeon (1): Marquis

not voting (5): kabooooom, AngryPidgeon, xayzeck, caledfwitch, Flubbernugget

[Flubbernugget]

Cool. Because I didn't. I still wanted more.

That doesn't even make sense. What are you talking about?

More activity.

Okay cool. So you can't remind me of why I scum read you. Which kinda shows you're either not reading, or ignoring my point to further your agenda.

It's on

me

to delineate

your

thought process?

I'm going to let that sink in for everyone.

Its on you to read the fucking thread.

No wonder I had nothing on TTH. Also lurking. But what's different from her is that it feels like she's using other's inactivity as an excuse to lurk, i.e. waiting to act till Brood is more active.

Sooo what are you trying to delineate here?

You are not scum for lurking. You are scum for not scumhunting at all while you were waiting for Brood to do something. It was a really cheap stall to not have to put any other reads on yourself.

Really? I haven't scumhunted? That's not what the flips say. And that's not what the activity in the thread says either since I did, and still do, have other reads.

Scumhunting and lynching scum are two different things. And voting for caled doesn't count as scum hunting.

[AngryPidgeon]

Scumhunting and lynching scum are two different things. And voting for caled doesn't count as scum hunting.

I dunno, I think Caled votes are probably pretty protown at this point.

I sort of want to lynch Marquis though.

[Marquis]

I think the only faction is the Werewolf one, and if you were a Werewolf the Miller claim would be a perfect way to intentionally mislead the town whether a Werewolf/Seer already flipped or not.

Basically I don't think there's a Miller, and that you're a Werewolf who tried to throw smoke around with the claim.

[AngryPidgeon]

Thats cool and all, but I think you are a Werewolf Cop and likely suspect Im mafia incorrectly.

[Marquis]

That's cool and all, but suggesting I would investigate a claimed Miller makes no sense, and neither does the huge leap from "town" to "werewolf, and a werewolf cop at that".

[AngryPidgeon]

Obviously you didn't investigate me and I didn't say you did.

And your leap from Town to Werewolf on me makes sense? Gimme a break. Its what made me start thinking about you in the first place. Further, your vote on Brood followed by unvoting because "I dont like 2/3 of the wagon" is scummy as hell.

[Marquis]

I don't remember ever saying you were a townread, but rather a "people should stop talking about scumreading or policy lynching him just because he claimed Miller". I initially saw town motivation in your claim, sure, but your play toward the end of the day including devil's advocacy was way off.

[Marquis]

And why only call me out on that vote now? You had plenty of chances to do so earlier if you really think I'm scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

I think the only faction is the Werewolf one, and if you were a Werewolf the Miller claim would be a perfect way to intentionally mislead the town whether a Werewolf/Seer already flipped or not.

Nope. It is really silly to think that I, as a Werewolf scum, would claim miller. That serves no purpose but to draw attention to me from the getgo and come back to me later on as an obvious fakeclaim that I have to backpedal out of. Thats not a situation I would risk as scum.

Basically I don't think there's a Miller, and that you're a Werewolf who tried to throw smoke around with the claim.

The first part of this sentence is probably true, the latter half makes no sense. I think you are overplaying your inside info as scum a bit much here, Marquis.

[AngryPidgeon]

And why only call me out on that vote now? You had plenty of chances to do so earlier if you really think I'm scum.

Uhhhh, plenty of chances being < 24 hours? I barely posted on site last night except to try and get the review for my large theme kicked off. I certainly didn't spend much time critically thinking about this game. When I sat down this morning and gave it some consideration, I got a little paranoid and dove off the deepend with setup spec. But ya, I definitely had blatant scum motive in taking about a day to get suspicious of your 180 on me.

[Marquis]

Basically I don't think there's a Miller, and that you're a Werewolf who tried to throw smoke around with the claim.

The first part of this sentence is probably true

, the latter half makes no sense. I think you are overplaying your inside info as scum a bit much here, Marquis.

probably no miller, huh

[AngryPidgeon]

No, I believe that you genuinely don't believe my claim.

But I think your stated reason for disbelieving it is a lie.

[Flubbernugget]

Scumhunting and lynching scum are two different things. And voting for caled doesn't count as scum hunting.

I dunno, I think Caled votes are probably pretty protown at this point.

I sort of want to lynch Marquis though.

Protown? Yes. Scumhunt? Barely.

[caledfwitch]

arent there like two other players in this game

[AngryPidgeon]

Kaboom and Xayzeck? Naw.

[Flubbernugget]

I read Marquis and AP going back and forth again. Why is there any speculation with the roles? I feel like theres some subtle role fishing going on. But that's just a gut feeling.

[Xayzeck]

Yo

Not super invested in this game, my apologies

I doubt it's 7:1:1, probably 5:2:2 because it's weird to have just 1 werewolf/mafia.

Town is probably decked with PRs because of this though

[AngryPidgeon]

At this point I'm just waiting to see if Kaboom has any amazing insight and for Telltale to give her opinion on wagoning Marquis.

[TellTaleHeart]

I'd work with you on Marquis, but I'm now kind of wondering why you're waiting on me to vote him.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'd work with you on Marquis, but I'm now kind of wondering why you're waiting on me to vote him.

I thought Marquis was town Yesterday. I think I see have good reason to think he is scum, but a lot of that is predicated on setup speculation. I think he may be the optimal lynch Today, but I could be going off the deepend here. Want to make sure I'm not insane.

I need to reread here a bit, I'm having a hard time figuring out who I WOULDN'T wagon right now, lol.

[AngryPidgeon]

VOTE: TellTaleHeart

[caledfwitch]

why is your vote on this person

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm playing to a town wincon by voting for people who are not town.