NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[Aeronaut]

tree's early posts were genuine and I feel like he's trying to start discussion and keep the game moving along. Just because his attempts weren't successful or well thought-out doesn't mean the intent isn't there.

I actually did not see this the first time, and that is my bad.

[Aeronaut]

And I'm genuinely not trying to make you out to be anything. I'm just frustrated today in general.

[Mirhawk]

I'll Try and keep this concise. We'll see if that actually happens though.

This is bullshit. Sure when somebody goes "Kill: Player" you can think it's fake.

But when you see an Innocent Child claim, maybe the first reaction if you're town is to vote them for the heck of it. How the hell is it an initial town reaction to vote them because you somehow knew it wasn't real?

Maybe this isn't necessarily town, but I don't think you can make the argument that this is a scum attitude unless you can prove that scum would benefit from it.

The second question that you are asking is now

clearly

a false dichotomy. because even though he answered why he voted Oka, the only answers you are willing to accept are the two choices that you are giving him. And it's not as though you just asked for clarification and moved on. You're pressing him to say what you want him to say, as if you are some sort of child service worker.

I view this as genuinely scummy behavior.

Vote: Elyse

The problem with lynching Reinoe is that his trolling isn't really alligent indicative. If it really becomes a problem later, then maybe we should consider it, but right now I still have a null read on him.

See this kind of advocating not lynching a person, followed by saying they might make a good lynch on a later day is exactly what got me thinking you were scum last game.

he's being a jerk to people who take this game seriously

Do you think this includes you? I sure don't.

Except for TN, I sort of like what TN is saying. It will probably be easier to comprehend when I'm not poking at an 8 inch screen

What Precisely is it that you like about what TN's saying?

Because a legitimate IC doesn't out where you did for reasons you gave.

Yeah this. When I saw the claim my first thought was he's either lying or stupid.

why would you want to keep any info from town?

Because once he says it, it's obviously there for the scum to see too, not just the town. Are you rolefishing right now?

This is the most town thing I've seen you say.

Also it's true.

On the other hand, it feels like reinoe is purposely trying to obfuscate his motivations and everything,

needs explaining. How am I obfuscating my motivations? What motivations am I obfuscating?

I would also be interested in an answer for this.

[Elyse]

That's not what happened though because I didn't understand that RoyalApe was voting for Oka for being the first to vote. He said he was anxious and quick to lynch people and I assumed those were his reasons and asked him to clarify which one but then it turns out he had a whole other reason.

[Mirhawk]

The problem isn't that you may or may not have thought that his reasons were as he stated.

It's that you tried to make him answer your question in the way you wanted him to answer it.

[Psyche]

Do you think this includes you? I sure don't.

remind of this the next time you think i should trust your reading of a situation

[Mirhawk]

You're right, that was unnecessarily abrasive of me.

I think you're way too low key.
456 and 457 have analysis in them, but pretty much everything else you say makes me feel like you're barely engaged with the game.

[Psyche]

that was your second most substantive post this game

[Mirhawk]

Wait no, that's not abrasive enough.

You're not scumhunting and I don't know who you think is scum.

And most of what I've seen you post is chaff.

[Mirhawk]

Thank you

[Mirhawk]

Who do you actually think is scum?

Seeing as how you were only ever pushing reinoe as some sort of bizarre public service.

[Psyche]

im definitely significantly above the fiftieth percentile in terms of game engagement and content generation
and if you are above that percentile at all, it's only barely tbh

[Aeronaut]

im definitely significantly above the fiftieth percentile in terms of game engagement and content generation
and if you are above that percentile at all, it's only barely tbh

Mirhawk asks if you have reads, and instead you give us percentiles? What?

[Psyche]

Who do you actually think is scum?

Seeing as how you were only ever pushing reinoe as some sort of bizarre public service.

i think majiffy is scum!

what about my reinoe push is bizzarre
i think it was much better than every actual push to get him lynched

[Psyche]

im definitely significantly above the fiftieth percentile in terms of game engagement and content generation
and if you are above that percentile at all, it's only barely tbh

Mirhawk asks if you have reads, and instead you give us percentiles? What?

shh we are ninjaing each other

[Mirhawk]

Yeah yeah we all know Majiffys case on Tree sucked.

That doesn't clear up who you think is scum though.

I also scumread you last game for comments like that Aero.

[Mirhawk]

I actually did read your last post before I posted.

I just didn't feel like changing it.

[Psyche]

Wait no, that's not abrasive enough.

You're not scumhunting and I don't know who you think is scum.

And most of what I've seen you post is chaff.

well i don't think you're very good at telling chaff from scumhunting at all mr. abrasive

[Mirhawk]

I kind of like Majiffy. Though to be honest I couldn't tell you how much of that is because of his link to that article on having opinions.

Though If you make a case for why Majiffy's scum I am interested. Personally I dislike his interactions with Gameplay.

I don't even know what to say about your push on reinoe. You're letting him off if he promises to not be disruptive or something like that. "Scouts honor" I guess. It was a little strange.
It seems odd, the only reason I like it better then TN and TSO's reasons is because I don't like policy lynches. Arguing about them gives players a chance to not place a serious vote while still pushing their "scum suspect".

[Mirhawk]

Which is what I kind of felt was going on here.

[Aeronaut]

So you Like Majiffy, but his Tree reasoning sucked?

[Mirhawk]

well i don't think you're very good at telling chaff from scumhunting at all mr. abrasive

If I missed something important enlighten me.

[Psyche]

I think majiffy's push on tree is fabricated. It makes sense for an RVS-ending vote, but somehow we've made it to page twenty and he still acts relatively confident that tree's pretty bland couple of fakeclaim ploys make him scum. It would be okay if he were just egging it on for tactical reasons, but I just have no doubt reading his posts that he'd be happy if tree died right now.

At this point, I think he continues to tunnel on tree just because 1) it's easier to act through than it is to look soberly at what he's doing and what could be done, and 2) tree is really easy to push and is the sort of player likely to dig his own grave. And I'm asking his sheep about the wagon so I can see if anyone else is following suit, or if the

actual

scum carrying out this really cliched approach to D1 is one of those. It seems pretty likely to me that the tree wagon is just too shitty not to be astroturfed.

I know I'm fooling around a lot, but it's because I can, because it's harmless. But I didn't join the game for the captive audience.

[Mirhawk]

So you Like Majiffy, but his Tree reasoning sucked?

More or less.

What do you think of Majiffy?

[Aeronaut]

So you Like Majiffy, but his Tree reasoning sucked?

More or less.

What do you think of Majiffy?

Well, he spent the first half of the game being pretty fluffy. So far his only real scumread has been tree. I don't love the reasoning, honestly. Pushing for the wagon, etc. He has been posting quite a bit in the second portion of the game, and the stuff besides the Tree wagon, I generally agree with. I'd say Null leaning a tinsey bit townish.