Alice in Wonderland - [Game Over!]

[Katsuki]

MALA GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY I SHOULDNT DAYVIG YOU RIGHT NOW

I'm sorry for HP! -;;

I WILL GIVE YOU A MILLION AIR HUGS.

Plus do you really want to lynch this:

Fineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Hugs will get to me anyday.

Cupcake mafia.

You read our game! <3
Never lynching you again ever (or this game at least)~

Speaking of which you wanna pre-in for my next game? I've gone through 2 sets of pre-ins already cuz I never ended up ever getting around to running it but hopefully I'll run it soon because setup is already 3years old = =

[Katsuki]

@Cupcake - Two games a precedent does not make. I'm all for a quick lynch when it's called for, but you have to admit the wagon on me is not built on solid foundations.

I'm obviously not going to quote all the games I've been in, those were just the two that best illustrate my point, and ones that were actually recognized.

[Katsuki]

Cupcake can I ask your thoughts on NS when I flip town?

SCUMBIRDS

[Katsuki]

Not quite I hadn't actually read any of the posting between last night and today so doing that now

[Katsuki]

Wait

@mod: Was Vi a Cop with altering sanities, or strictly one of the two?

Unconfirmed sanity.

[Katsuki]

TELL ME ONE REASON WHY I SHOULDN'T KILL YOU RIGHT HERE FOR 1. INVESTIGATING ME AND 2. OUTING ME BECAUSE THIS GAME BE DAMNED

[Katsuki]

BECAUSE HOLY FUCK THAT WAS A SCUMMY AS HELL INVESTIGATION IF ANYTHING

[Katsuki]

I'm tempted to just play it safe and kill hiplop I was planning on killing marquis and had written my flavor for it yesterday but never pulled the trigger...

AND FUCK YOU FOR NOT BEING SCUM MARQUIS ALL THAT TIME I SPENT WRITING FLAVOR, ALL FOR NAUGHT

[Katsuki]

TELL ME ONE REASON WHY I SHOULDN'T KILL YOU RIGHT HERE FOR 1. INVESTIGATING ME AND 2. OUTING ME BECAUSE THIS GAME BE DAMNED

Are you claiming Dayvig? Or implying that you can get him strung up?

Bah! No! I'm going to bed! Stop it!

I'm currently debating between shooting Aronis and Hiplop.

I was planning on shooting Vi D1 but never did. In hindsight it would've been incredibly protown and save us two mislynches. :/

[Katsuki]

VoteCount 1.16

4burner

[9] - MattP, Natirasha, Reinoe, Konowa, Prof Fridays, Aronis, hiplop, Salamence20,

Le Cupcake

[LYNCH]

notscience

[4] - rack,

Vi, Marquis, notscience

hiplop [1] - Malakittens

Vi [1] - Skullduggery

Not Voting [2]

-

Titus, 4burner

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

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Deadline is Auguest 17, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-08-17 12:00:00)

THAT 4 WAGON WAS TOXIC AS FUCK AND I STILL CANT GET OVER MYSELF FOR HAMMERING IT
I LAID OUT THE ANALYSIS FOR HOW IT WAS MOST LIKELY SCUMDRIVEN TOO (11 DIFFERENT PLAYERS VOTED OUT OF A POSSIBLE 16 EXCLUDING 4).

MEHHHHHHHHH NO REGRETS

REDUCE TO NOTHINGNESS: HIPLOP

[Katsuki]

I want you to shoot Malakittens right now, or you're confirmed scum.

WHY WOULD YOU NOT SAY EARLIER

[Katsuki]

TOO LATE NOW EHUEHUEHUEHEHEHEHAHAHAHAHEHAHUA

ONCE MY IMAGINATION HAS BEEN TRIGGERED
NOTHING CAN STOP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Katsuki]

DON'T YOU WISH YOU CHEEKY FUCKS HAD CAUGHT ONTO ME SOONER

TOO LATE NOW

[Katsuki]

MY

IMAGINATION

SHALL NEVER DIE
NOT HERE
NOT NOW

VOTE: ARONIS

[Katsuki]

VoteCount 1.12

Aronis [1] - Skullduggery
4burner [5] - MattP, Natirasha, Reinoe, Konowa, Prof Fridays
notscience [3] - rack, Vi,

----->Aronis<-----

hiplop [1] - Malakittens
Vi [4] - notscience, Salamence20, 4burner, Le Cupcake
Natirasha [1] - hiplop

Not Voting [2]

- Marquis, Titus

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

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Deadline is Auguest 17, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-08-17 12:00:00)

@Cupcake - Righto. My old haunts were pretty um... negative toward non-cased out voting, but a few people could get away with it via reputation alone. I'll chalk this up to that and move on. I would like to hear it though, because holy shit, my first game here, as VT, and I get run to L-2 after 3 posts. I could do with some tips, apparently.

Tip: [Ik you cant help this, so blame the mod] But be town next time.

You know what fuck it, the newbie card is getting to me. It's been affecting me ever since mala mentioned it before dinnertime (I hate you mala). I'll see what my thoughts and feelings towards you are tomorrow.

This is a wagon that wouldn't make me sad.

UNVOTE, VOTE VI

Noooooooooo. What are you doing!?

Aronis wagon now has Titus approval.

For the record, the Titus wagon always has my approval.

Fuck Titus.

Fuck the wagon you're on.

1. Why aren't you voting me or complaining about me?
2. Vote Vi or 4.

Sorry, I was irritated with notsci.

1. Bc my newest theory has you as just being a scum puppet.
2. K. Vi is OK. Burner, not so much.

VOTE: 4burner

[Katsuki]

VOTE: Konowa?

FAKEGOD YOU MADE ALL THREE ALICES AND BOTH NEIGHBORHOODS ALL-TOWN?

NO FUCK THAT. I DONT BELIEVE IT. I WONT BELIEVE IT.

1v1

tbh your "ALICE HAVE TO BE SCUM" theory was always retarded, I just wasn't in the best of positions to say so.

You really should be voting for one of Aronis/Rack/MattP though.

If you/nati/Prof are scum then the game is gonna be hard.

If Mala is scum I don't particularly mind the results what with a retarded framer+insane cop combo, that was just plain brutal.

[Katsuki]

Yes, I will shout you down Kat so just give up now(and/or say I'm scum for speaking shitty truths).

If I didn't have to worry about you guys possibly lynching me while I slept I wouldn'tve had to take such a rushed shot.

Still regret not shooting Aronis but who cares

[Katsuki]

Are we honestly lynching Mala over HARDCORELURKERMATT, and a very scummy rack? = =

[Katsuki]

If Mala is scum I don't particularly mind the results what with a retarded framer+insane cop combo, that was just plain brutal.

It's funny, in the neighborhood last night I distinctly said to FakeGod 'I hope Katsuki is bitching to you as well'.

Because, that's like the only combo that makes sense and, in that case, seriously, the reviewer is a horrible person.

I was tempted to bitch, but FG has a special spot in my heart (he was in my first newbie game, and was the D1 lynch).

[Katsuki]

Are we honestly lynching Mala over HARDCORELURKERMATT, and a very scummy rack? = =

There is probably at least three scum,so why not?

Yeah there are only 3 scum not 4.

[Katsuki]

If anything, rack/mattp should be lynched before Sala.

I will seriously laugh if Prof/nati are scum neighbours. I still remember a game from a long time ago where scum had masons.

[Katsuki]

VOTE: No Lynch

Play it safe.

YES LETS HAND YOU A FREE WIN!

[Katsuki]

Spoiler: SHITTY FLAVOUR GOES HERE

Since as young as she could remember, Alice would always have these weird dreams in a world with talking animals, and giant mushrooms. It was a scary world; dark and menacing, where nothing seemed to be friendly at all. Although plagued by these dreams every night, it was also here that one day, Alice happened to stumble upon what would become her dearest friends.

Squack and Quack were cute furry little things, always blabbering and jabbering about with one another, and their jokes soon drove all fear for this world out of little Alice’s heart. It was also from this moment forth that Alice discovered how to control her imagination, bringing light to this gloomy place. She began looking forward to slumbering off each night, eager for the adventures that awaited. Squack and Quack would take Alice on their back, exploring what soon became a most wondrous world. They would frolic in the streams together, play hide and seek in the giant flower fields, or lie on the grassy plains, watching as the clouds drifted by. Her imagination soon became her reality, where waking up always left her with a sense of loss.

One day, however, Alice found her world not quite right. The sky glowed red, as a deafening silence hung over her. Worried, Alice began frantically scrambling about, calling out for her beloved

SCUMBIRDS.

It was not until a loud “Squawk” tore through the air that Alice set gaze upon a most horrifying site. With one head limp and trailing upon the ground, Squawk had been bloodied and broken beyond recognition. What remained was Quack, eyes burning a deep crimson, a ghastly remnant of the innocent

SCUMBIRDS

. The blight that followed in its wake had reduced all that was tranquil splendor to a decaying rot. Aghast at how such corruption could have befallen her world, Alice in her sorrow banished what was once her

SCUMBIRD

from her dream, never to set foot into her world again. Although the skies cleared up, Alice could never find it in her to appear in this world ever again, and with that, her imagination died with her

SCUMBIRDS.

[Katsuki]

I must say I have no issues with whoever reviewed this and that it's a very clever setup and one that has my 100% approval.

[Katsuki]

Dayplay trumps nightplay and I didn't even manage to do my part of shooting scum.

[Katsuki]

Dayplay trumps nightplay and I didn't even manage to do my part of shooting scum.

Yeah. You literally didn't even let hiplop say anything before he died.

The alternative was to go to bed and get lynched because HERPDERP ALICE MUST BE SCUMZ

yeah no thx

[Katsuki]

I must say I have no issues with whoever reviewed this and that it's a very clever setup and one that has my 100% approval.

Clever, sure. I know I'm being hypocritical here, but I kinda hate gotchas-for-the-sake-of-gotchas in mafia. My main points so far are the (maybe insane cop)+(potential framer).

Like, I get if you want to make a game where the power roles are weak and useless, but I've talked to FakeGod about this in numerous games now, but his math-based balancing is kinda fucked because he fights human nature too much. I know I make imbalanced setups--I've acknowledged it before too--but I focus on the human element. Some things just end up making sense.

I'm not going anywhere with this.

Rabble rabble.

I'm thoroughly amused by the setup thus far and think it may have played out differently if we didn't lose the two alices so early. Skull misplayed by playing incredibly town as a beloved princess, and titus didn't get a chance to do anything.

Then the framer caused two mislynches and the Alice cop outted me forcing a rushed vig, that hit town. XD

Yeah we misplayed this insanely.

[Katsuki]

I'm thoroughly amused by the setup thus far and think it may have played out differently if we didn't lose the two alices so early. Skull misplayed by playing incredibly town as a beloved princess, and titus didn't get a chance to do anything.

Then the framer caused two mislynches and the Alice cop outted me forcing a rushed vig, that hit town. XD

Yeah we misplayed this insanely.

Well, I think Beloved Princess is just an awful role in the first place. Just, this game has been a parade of useless roles. I mean, not going to lie, I legit think framer+insane cop is the most bastard thing ever seen on this site. And I'm the person who was a town-aligned moderator that could roleblock scum nightkills with impunity.

I remember my first large game, I was a scum beloved princess who got crosskilled!

It's not bastard which is what I'm amused about re framercop.

[Katsuki]

I really want to lynch rack though.

You should.

Rack and MattP.

[Katsuki]

You forgot that the confirmed town also wants Aronis' blood.

[Katsuki]

goddamn why are we NOT having the lurkers claim first aka rack/matt???

[Katsuki]

I've never played an IC role before, so probably now would be a good time to start being transparent about my reads.

Konowa is a solid townread of mine.

and probably the only one. I'm really busy today and wont have time to re-read stuff hopefully ill get something up tomorrow

[Katsuki]

So Vi never investigated reinoe then?

[Katsuki]

What a series of unfortunate events.

I'm also leaning town on Sala.

[Katsuki]

Finished that call earlier than expected.

I'm fine with Aronis lynch because fuck Murphy's Law.

QFT

[Katsuki]

Why are you leaning town on Sala?

Some general feelings I'm getting off of his posts. There were some things that worried me, but I'm willing to overlook them.

One of the things I did consider though... is something I'd rather not say since I don't think we need me here to muddle the game even more. But his vanillarizes on hiplop and aronis are towntowntown.

Probably heavily influenced by the fact that there are so many that need to die in front of him namely mattp rack aronis and i think someone else

[Katsuki]

Just curious, but any particular reasons?

[Katsuki]

Or JK me pls dont let me die I still have one more dayvig tomorrow (though, I actually die with my 2nd dayvig)

[Katsuki]

I didn't speedlynch her.

That's because I didn't give you guys the chance.

[Katsuki]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 8&sr=posts

I should've checked this then shot him.

[Katsuki]

yeah

this setup

this game

kinda made me feel horrible

because majority of my reads were wrong :\

didnt you only have like one read the entire game after your nottybit?

[Katsuki]

You self hammered, as town? Wow what the fuck.

[Katsuki]

Yeah I hope no one gave FG a hard time over the setup after the D4 lynch.

I really love those end-game images!

[Katsuki]

katsuki, your avi choice is most fitting.

I had too! I would've found this before dayvigging had I not been so rushed.

[Katsuki]

Pity this game was a giant trainwreck for town.

Granted, scum played really well. Mattp was the only obvious scum. Funny how my only solid townread turned out to be scum!

I had a feeling that we wern't going to win this if there were scum amongst Nati/Prof (I considered the possibility of those two being scum neighbours tbh, but if that was the case they deserved to win anyways since we didn't have enough lynches left to sort that neighbourhood out)

[Katsuki]

@Mod QT #113: LOL you don't know my dismay at seeing marquis as the night kill. I was so close to shooting him D4, and had it written until we settled on the reinoe investigation (that never happened)!

[Katsuki]

FUCKING CHEEKY SCUMFUCK

[Katsuki]

Fakegod, I really liked how you made your game "pretty" and I like the flavor and images you used. That effort is both noticed and appreciated. Thanks.

I loved my role pm! (the role may have played a huge factor in it as well)

[Katsuki]

@Notty re 30mins: I've lynched in less hahaha

[Katsuki]

I also don't get why both Alices played with such high visibility, if all games this was the one to fly under the radar! (esp the titus softclaims, that just draws NKs )

[Katsuki]

It was a swingy setup, and everything that went wrong went wrong, swinging to the very end of the scum spectrum.

Count me as a pre-in for whatever your next game is~

[Katsuki]

I also don't get why both Alices played with such high visibility, if all games this was the one to fly under the radar! (esp the titus softclaims, that just draws NKs )

It's ok!

You were the strongest PR among the Alices!

But I didnt hit scum

not like it mattered but I wouldve liked to for my pride at least

[Katsuki]

It was a swingy setup, and everything that went wrong went wrong, swinging to the very end of the scum spectrum.

Count me as a pre-in for whatever your next game is~

Maybe you can find the easter egg. *wink*

I wish I knew the flavor.

I also just read the endscene and should nom this game for best flavor

[Katsuki]

You're right that treating your neighbor as a mason is one of the reliable ways to break a game.

But you know the consequences.

Sure, but I'm willing to lose one game out of the seven. If it's any consolation, I never stated my doc targets until after I protected(a fact that likely resulted in Vi surviving n2 -much to our consternation-).

I get why Konowa didn't claim the jail, but didn't Sal..? I thought Konowa just missed the day phase and didn't care enough to look back, but Sal was definitely on.

I have to say the games I've seen neighbour/neibourizer roles, probably half were scum.

[Katsuki]

I love fakegod because he keeps giving me vig roles

HE LOVES ME MORE

[Katsuki]

A 100% RATE THATS WHAT

[Katsuki]

You think Le cupcake would accuse me vehemently of being Alice and be alice? Seems spicy

I lol'd

[Katsuki]

You rolecopped Vi!

Eh, FG answered questions regarding the clarification of what Vi's role was, which is fair. Defining the role title makes total sense, and the '/' wasn't a clear 'or'.

[Katsuki]

I was an even-night doctor, only Prof Fridays was a rolecop.

Yeah but you wanted it. XD

Eh, FG answered questions regarding the clarification of what Vi's role was, which is fair. Defining the role title makes total sense, and the '/' wasn't a clear 'or'.

See, I take more of a hardline to this than most. I pretty much never answer 'hypothetical' questions when asked, and likely would have left Vi's mechanism in the dark here.

Well I just asked what Vi's role actually was, and he answered sane OR insane.

Oh actually I've also been becoming more and more partial to the MTGS school of flipping, where they flip the whole role PM upon death.

That's so boring though, especially when your role names are framed as they are for particular reasons

[Katsuki]

Oh actually I've also been becoming more and more partial to the MTGS school of flipping, where they flip the whole role PM upon death.

I've been thinking about this, and I think I may adopt that practice in future.

Please don't it's such a dreadful way of modding.

But do include their role PM illustrations!

[Katsuki]

Maybe you should consider drawing your own? That way you guarantee all the pictures looking nice

[Katsuki]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Who said proficiency was necessary? (it should be obvious which head was which )

[Katsuki]

Oh dear... guess you can't link ISOs. ISO Le Cupcake for my proficiency point.

[Katsuki]

Probably the best post that illustrates that.

[Katsuki]

I TRUSTED YOU ON THE BURNER LYNCH!

[Katsuki]

I have to say I've become incredibly fond of this avatar despite the trainwreck that was this game.

I also don't think I've ever enjoyed such a lopsided loss like this before.

[Katsuki]

Why not? I thought reinoe was incredibly protown and would never have lynched him if not for that Vi post.
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On a separate note, I just realized THIS SETUP IS FUCKING TERRIBLE AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD FOR NOT GIVING THE THREE ALICES A NEIGHBOURHOOD FAKEGOD

[Katsuki]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Who said proficiency was necessary? (it should be obvious which head was which )

Huh. That looks like it was a fun game.

It was incredibly one, and amongst one of my many most enjoyable games.

[Katsuki]

*incredibly fun...

I should go sleep cant type anymore night.

[Katsuki]

Because you confirm what a role is 100%, and that's boring.

Leave something for imagination~

[Katsuki]

I have to say I've become incredibly fond of this avatar despite the trainwreck that was this game.

I also don't think I've ever enjoyed such a lopsided loss like this before.

The endgame underwater Alice doesn't look as good in an avi.

So you noticed.

[Katsuki]

This one works tho methinks and is a more fitting postgame avatar.

[Katsuki]

Large theme games tend to be both crazy and have crazy players!