NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)


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Post Post #1675 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:44 pm

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In post 1673, Josh_B wrote:They begin at game opening?

Also this, http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighbor
Thus, Neighbor is a fairly low-tier
power role
that amplifies the skill of its players

Yes, game opening.

A neighbor can be both a neighbor and a PR.
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Post Post #1676 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:54 pm

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As opposed to ....?
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
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Post Post #1677 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:23 pm

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I just got done with Alice In Wonderland, a large theme with multiple neighborhoods. Town lost directly because there was no scum hunting within the neighborhoods.

I'm paranoid by gameplay's chainsaw defense of Aero and the complete unwillingness to out the third member.

But if we aren't lynching aero we need to lynch tree.

Titus' reaction to the claim isn't scummy to me.
Scum typically need to fabricate reasons for scumreads...

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Post Post #1678 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:37 pm

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wow.

@NS
I called you derpy because you decided to vote for someone you didn't even think was scum. In my opinion, that's pretty derpy.

@Aeronaut
Did you breadcrumb at all? I assume not, since you likely would have mentioned it in your claim, but still.

Not sure who I feel like putting my vote on now. Want to take a look at some people again so I can get a better idea.
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Post Post #1679 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:38 pm

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>.>
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Post Post #1680 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:49 pm

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Oh hey, notscience, you were in that Alice In Wonderland game. What are are your thoughts on Gameplay and Aeronaught (and the mysterious third member) treating their neighborhood like a masonry?
Scum typically need to fabricate reasons for scumreads...

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Post Post #1681 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:53 pm

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In post 1678, Alina wrote:wow.

@NS
I called you derpy because you decided to vote for someone you didn't even think was scum. In my opinion, that's pretty derpy.

@Aeronaut
Did you breadcrumb at all? I assume not, since you likely would have mentioned it in your claim, but still.

Not sure who I feel like putting my vote on now. Want to take a look at some people again so I can get a better idea.

In post 1680, reinoe wrote:

Oh hey, notscience, you were in that Alice In Wonderland game. What are are your thoughts on Gameplay and Aeronaught (and the mysterious third member) treating their neighborhood like a masonry?


I know it's not a masonry. It's an advantage, though.
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Post Post #1682 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:01 pm

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Who feels like singing Village People to Aero?


Aero needs to die. Tonight. He is important scum.

Can we prod PV?
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Post Post #1683 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:08 pm

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In post 1682, Titus wrote:Who feels like singing Village People to Aero?


Aero needs to die. Tonight. He is important scum.

Can we prod PV?

I find it hard to believe you changed your mind so quickly because I said my role was lame. Are you afraid I'll see your gun?
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Post Post #1684 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:16 pm

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I still don't understand what I'm lying about and why tn isn't voting me.
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Post Post #1685 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:23 pm

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In post 1683, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 1682, Titus wrote:Who feels like singing Village People to Aero?


Aero needs to die. Tonight. He is important scum.

Can we prod PV?

I find it hard to believe you changed your mind so quickly because I said my role was lame. Are you afraid I'll see your gun?

If I were a gunsmith I'd pop a boner so hard I'd be dizzy after reading my role pm and each time after.
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Post Post #1686 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:27 pm

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In post 1685, reinoe wrote:
In post 1683, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 1682, Titus wrote:Who feels like singing Village People to Aero?


Aero needs to die. Tonight. He is important scum.

Can we prod PV?

I find it hard to believe you changed your mind so quickly because I said my role was lame. Are you afraid I'll see your gun?

If I were a gunsmith I'd pop a boner so hard I'd be dizzy after reading my role pm and each time after.


Eh. After being an SK in 175 with bulletproof or innocence, though, that shit was cool.
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Post Post #1687 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:31 pm

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In post 1684, Elyse wrote:I still don't understand what I'm lying about and why tn isn't voting me.


High Priority > Titus > NotScience > Elyse / Tree > Texcat > Low Priority
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Post Post #1688 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:32 pm

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Aeronaut that's not an answer that's a blank space
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Post Post #1689 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:43 pm

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In post 1683, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 1682, Titus wrote:Who feels like singing Village People to Aero?


Aero needs to die. Tonight. He is important scum.

Can we prod PV?

I find it hard to believe you changed your mind so quickly because I said my role was lame. Are you afraid I'll see your gun?


I don't need a gun and I don't have one. Go ahead and lie tomorrow.
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Post Post #1690 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:44 pm

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In post 1680, reinoe wrote:

Oh hey, notscience, you were in that Alice In Wonderland game. What are are your thoughts on Gameplay and Aeronaught (and the mysterious third member) treating their neighborhood like a masonry?


I've been the one pushing this angle for a while.
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Post Post #1691 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:45 pm

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In post 1687, tn5421 wrote:
In post 1684, Elyse wrote:I still don't understand what I'm lying about and why tn isn't voting me.


High Priority > Titus > NotScience > Elyse / Tree > Texcat > Low Priority


You're really making it hard to go Village People on Elyse with your nonsense. You've completely forgotten about Okra, your alleged scumread to push me because I voted someone due to a shit claim.

Seriously, voting the fake GS is a fucking towntell. Scum would shoot it or roleblock it.
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Post Post #1692 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:49 pm

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In post 1688, Alina wrote:Aeronaut that's not an answer that's a blank space

In post 1688, Alina wrote:Aeronaut that's not an answer that's a blank space

Did you ask me a question? Sorry I actually must missed it
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Post Post #1693 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:00 pm

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In post 1353, Alina wrote:
In post 1086, Mirhawk wrote:
Unvote


My scumreads all suck


What do you mean by this?


I had at the time no confidence in my scumreads and most of the rest I was seeing around town looked just as bad.

In post 1365, gameplay506 wrote:
Wtf? It looks like you are voting him just to see what he claims. So bad.


This is exactly what I was doing. I'm pretty sure I made that explicit.

In post 1368, tn5421 wrote:
How the fuck can someone GAMBIT with ICs and Dayvigs but GOD FORBID SOMEONE FUCKING SOFTCLAIM LOL PILE ON THE WAGON

In post 1370, tn5421 wrote:
My comment was directed at Mirhawk in particular :<


If your beef on this is directed at me why are you pursuing this with Elyse?

In post 1392, gameplay506 wrote:
In post 1389, texcat wrote:Aeronaut flipflops, aggressive under pressure

Where does he flip flops btw?
Also I dont think he is being aggresive because of the wagon.

Also your reasons are pretty outdated.


Gameplay apparently earned mad town cheddar with his Aero defense, but I still want to point out how abjectly terrible this post is.
Aero does flip flop, he's admitted to it.
He was definitely being aggressive, his interactions with notscience in particular.
How could those reasons have been outdated if they were both false?

In post 1395, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 1213, Elyse wrote:
And hypocrisy isn't scummy.

I just want everyone to read that sentence a few times. In what world is hypocrisy not scummy? If you were to vote me for voting for tree,
while voting for tree,
then you'd be pretty fucking hypocritical, and you'd be scum.

In post 1302, Mirhawk wrote:
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It would save a lot of time if you just claimed now
. I'm not going elsewhere until that softclaim nonsense has been resolved.

Um... are you rolefishing? I mean, I'm obviously very close to being lynched, but it would seem very easy for scum to ask for my role, then back off the vote as you said, kill another townie, and then kill me in the night.

Right now for me, Elyse is starting to make me uneasy. I'm pretty sure she had other points, but she keeps harping on the other one. It's weird. Mirhawk is acting really different than NY175, and the was sort of rolefishing. Don't like that. TSO is along for the wagon ride, weeeee! Tree came back and is being helpful again. Why, tree why? Why now? Why not yesterday? Whatever. If he's helping the town again, I'm not voting him.


Don't get me started on this hypocrisy shit again Aero. Hypocrisy isn't directly scummy unless you can directly prove why it's scummy, just like anything else.

A) You weren't all that close to being lynched when I voted. I didn't have any interest in running you to L-1, I wanted a claim.
B) I wasn't rolefishing, I was outright demanding your role. Those are two different things.

In post 1400, Aeronaut wrote:
Mirhawk, what's your opinion of OkaPoka?


He's being useless in general. Is there something more specific you had in mind?

In post 1438, Aeronaut wrote:Well, since you people have made it glaringly obvious, yea. Thank you, role fish.


Right. Because it wasn't glaringly obvious the instant you softclaimed.

In post 1482, notscience wrote:
In post 60, gameplay506 wrote:I think everyone is in an neighborhood.

Click gaempaly's iso

and CTRL F neighborhood

Then come back to me.


I wasn't aware this was a secret. I thought everyone knew.

In post 1494, Aeronaut wrote:Wouldn't scum want to target a group of people who can talk privately with eachother, day and night?


Only if there aren't scum inside that group. Which is unlikely.

In post 1563, Aeronaut wrote:Bolding it so skimmers can see.

I am a Town-Aligned Gunsmith. I investigate a person every night, and then I get either "Gun" or "No Gun". That is my role., it's sort of lame.


What result do you get if you are roleblocked?

In post 1641, Psyche wrote:he wasnt run up for the softclaim


That's precisely why I was running him up.

In post 1659, tn5421 wrote:
So which is it, little liar?

I'm done with you lying to town.


This is stupid. Catching people making small mistakes isn't alignment indicative. It just means they have a shitty memory. You've been doing this all game in lieu of actual scumhunting.

In post 1678, Alina wrote:
@Aeronaut
Did you breadcrumb at all? I assume not, since you likely would have mentioned it in your claim, but still.


Perhaps Aero's version of breadcrumbing is to loudly make it extremely obvious he has a PR, then pretend he didn't do so.
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Post Post #1694 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:00 pm

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Aero I have one question. Why did you softclaim in the first place?
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Post Post #1695 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:04 pm

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In post 1690, notscience wrote:
In post 1680, reinoe wrote:

Oh hey, notscience, you were in that Alice In Wonderland game. What are are your thoughts on Gameplay and Aeronaught (and the mysterious third member) treating their neighborhood like a masonry?


I've been the one pushing this angle for a while.


Has nobody noticed GP referred to the mysterious last member of their neighborhood in plural? Also some of his statements about knowing if there's scum inside his neighborhood make more sense if there's more then one person in it other then him and Aero.
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Post Post #1696 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:09 pm

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@Aero You quoted it lol.

Did you breadcrumb anywhere or?
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Post Post #1697 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:09 pm

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Oh at some point I lost a quote about Aero saying he didn't find anything wrong with Gameplays defense.

I was going to point that back to that defense post from Gameplay.
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Post Post #1698 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:13 pm

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In post 1694, Mirhawk wrote:Aero I have one question. Why did you softclaim in the first place?

Because maybe I didn't want every single person to know my role right then, but I needed the town to know it enough not to lynch me and make me useless to the town. If I just layed down and let you lynch me, then I'd be hurting the town's chances of winning quite a bit.
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Post Post #1699 (ISO) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:14 pm

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In post 1696, Alina wrote:@Aero You quoted it lol.

Did you breadcrumb anywhere or?

There is five people in the neighborhood. I don't think that information hurts us in any way, so there's no reason for me not to share it.
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