Open 566: Murder on the Oriental Express (Game Over)

[Baezu]

Vote Count 1.01

Mr_Blonde: (2) Farside22, Amy Farrah Fowler
NakedJogger: (2) NakedJogger, Chaoslord54
Farside22: (1) Dry-fit
Astinus: (2) Astinus, Snugglyduckling
Amy Farrah Fowler: (1) TobyLoby

Not Voting: acryon, Mr_Blonde, Belisarius, cerberus48, Skelda, RoyalApe

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-08-31 10:05:00)

Mod Notes:
None

[Amy Farrah Fowler]

I think I'll change my vote.

Vote: Astinus

Because I can.

Why did you decide to hop off the Amy bandwagon for the sake of another RVS vote, this time on yourself?

[Skelda]

Hiya everyone. I'm Skelda. Amy, I think "because he can" is his reasoning, but it also kind of strikes me as a bit arbitrary.

[Mr_Blonde]

What is the point of voting for oneself? Avoiding voting someone else?

Because oneself is evil and surely out to murder everyone.

Vote: Mr_Blonde

Or more simply to waste one's voting ability.

What's up Amy? Shall we dance?

Unvote. Vote: farside22.

I'm not a fan of that random vote. Voting for a player being replaced isn't likely to cause any action.

Same premise here - wasted vote. How is this different than self voting?

[Mr_Blonde]

P-edit: Turns out the vote counted after all.

[Dry-fit]

Same premise here - wasted vote. How is this different than self voting?

Self voting is likely to provoke responses. Voting a player leaving the game is not.

[Amy Farrah Fowler]

Amy, I think "because he can" is his reasoning, but it also kind of strikes me as a bit arbitrary.

It's not really the reasoning that I'm confused about/picking at. It's more about the purpose (or lack thereof) of changing an RVS vote to another RVS vote. 'Because I can' can't be classified as reasoning, ever. To me it looks a bit like edging off the bandwagon in case something serious happens with it. The post with the Wiki info that was right above his probably got him to think twice about bandwagoning. If he wanted to change votes then he was welcome to get the game out of RVS.

[Amy Farrah Fowler]

Forgot:

Vote: Astinus

[Mr_Blonde]

I consider self voting in RVS heavily null. While I can agree on your statement that it could be used to provoke (re)actions it can likewise be used to shrug off a player's responsibility for their vote.

I would consider your action a provoked response. Wouldn't you? This doesn't say anything for Farside's motive, but it does devalue your statement somewhat.

[Dry-fit]

I would consider your action a provoked response. Wouldn't you? This doesn't say anything for Farside's motive, but it does devalue your statement somewhat.

Sure. I'm the kind of player who actively looks for these things. But in most games Farside's vote wouldn't get any notice. It's not so much about motive but rather a lack of motive. Voting for a missing player isn't going to progress the game the vast majority of the time.

[TobyLoby]

What is the point of voting for oneself? Avoiding voting someone else?

Vote: Astinus

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SnuggkyDuckling

There were three people who self-voted up to this point. Why point out Astinus?

[TobyLoby]

or rather, focus on Astinus.BBlpnde

Mr_Blonde

, when did you replace into the game?

Mr_Blonde is Hiraki's replacement

[SnugglyDuckling]

Unvote

and

Vote Mr Blonde

Something makes me think he is mafia.

[SnugglyDuckling]

Amy seems town to me and Mr Blonde's "shall we dance" comment seems like false bravado.

[TobyLoby]

There were three people who self-voted up to this point. Why point out Astinus?

+ What is your prior experience with mafia?

[farside22]

Unvote. Vote: farside22.

I'm not a fan of that random vote. Voting for a player being replaced isn't likely to cause any action.

My vote was semi serious with so far 2 out of 2 times I've seen a player replace out after receiving a role pm and requesting replacement and still active else where, flip scum.

Do you think the bw on Amy caused much reaction?

[farside22]

Unvote

and

Vote Mr Blonde

Something makes me think he is mafia.

Why did you change your vote so quickly without waiting for a reply?

Same premise here - wasted vote. How is this different than self voting?

Self voting is likely to provoke responses. Voting a player leaving the game is not.

I feel all rvs votes are under the same category.

Amy, I think "because he can" is his reasoning, but it also kind of strikes me as a bit arbitrary.

It's not really the reasoning that I'm confused about/picking at. It's more about the purpose (or lack thereof) of changing an RVS vote to another RVS vote. 'Because I can' can't be classified as reasoning, ever. To me it looks a bit like edging off the bandwagon in case something serious happens with it. The post with the Wiki info that was right above his probably got him to think twice about bandwagoning. If he wanted to change votes then he was welcome to get the game out of RVS.

This is a good catch.
When I saw it I thought more about someone trying to fit in and copy another players actions.

I would consider your action a provoked response. Wouldn't you? This doesn't say anything for Farside's motive, but it does devalue your statement somewhat.

Sure. I'm the kind of player who actively looks for these things. But in most games Farside's vote wouldn't get any notice. It's not so much about motive but rather a lack of motive. Voting for a missing player isn't going to progress the game the vast majority of the time.

Depends how the replacement reacts based on my experience for me.

Mr. Blond came across pretty non plus about it. I was a bit surprised he didn't react to it.

What is the point of voting for oneself? Avoiding voting someone else?

Vote: Astinus

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SnuggkyDuckling

There were three people who self-voted up to this point. Why point out Astinus?

This question is really a waste. Did you read the game? What was your view of astinus self vote after asking if it was okay? Does it really help or do anything to switch rvs to oneself?

[TobyLoby]

Right.

Is your vote on Mr Blonde more serious now that he has spoken? He seems non-plus - what does that mean to you?

[Mr_Blonde]

I would consider your action a provoked response. Wouldn't you? This doesn't say anything for Farside's motive, but it does devalue your statement somewhat.

Sure. I'm the kind of player who actively looks for these things. But in most games Farside's vote wouldn't get any notice. It's not so much about motive but rather a lack of motive.

Voting for a missing player isn't going to progress the game the vast majority of the time.

That's fair. So now that Farside has explained a bit - what do you think of her response?

or rather, focus on Astinus.

Mr_Blonde

, when did you replace into the game?

Today, apparently. I sent the MOD a PM this morning when I saw that he needed replacements. I was under the impression that D1 hadn't started yet, but looking back it seems I was a day late to the party.

Which is ironic, cause today is my birthday

Unvote

and

Vote Mr Blonde

Something makes me think he is mafia.

Amy seems town to me and Mr Blonde's "shall we dance" comment seems like false bravado.

These come across as mightily subjective for someone who apparently has never played before, iirc. I'm not sure how you're getting 'false bravo' from a playful statement that was followed with a smiley.

The response was my casual way of referencing to her vote on me that I couldn't see any discernable reason for.

I would consider your action a provoked response. Wouldn't you? This doesn't say anything for Farside's motive, but it does devalue your statement somewhat.

Sure. I'm the kind of player who actively looks for these things. But in most games Farside's vote wouldn't get any notice. It's not so much about motive but rather a lack of motive. Voting for a missing player isn't going to progress the game the vast majority of the time.

Depends how the replacement reacts based on my experience for me.

Mr. Blond came across pretty non plus about it. I was a bit surprised he didn't react to it.

I took it mostly as a joke. I assumed based on your wording that you had some sort of relationship with the person I replaced in for and were taking a jab at them for swapping out.

Beyond that - I didn't see any sort of merit considering you have likewise filled an abandoned slot.

[farside22]

Right.

Is your vote on Mr Blonde more serious now that he has spoken? He seems non-plus - what does that mean to you?

My vote stands for now

Any reason you didn't awnser my questions?


@mr. Blond: the difference between me and my spot and you and your spot is yours requested replaced. The mod said the person I replaced did not pick up the pm.

Role PMs have been sent out. Game will begin once 11/14 have confirmed via private message.

Update: I have only heard from 10 of you. Four of you haven't picked up your role PMs. If I don't get a response by tonight I will look for replacements.

Hiraki has requested replacement. Looking for 3 more replacements and then we will begin

[Mr_Blonde]

@mr. Blond: the difference between me and my spot and you and your spot is yours requested replaced. The mod said the person I replaced did not pick up the pm.

That makes literally no difference. It could be something as simple as my previous slot holder actually had the courtesy to respond to the MOD to seek replacement versus the others. How would you know differently?

You are using intangible evidence and supposed experience as a way to push me for a generic tell that essentially I can't defend against. That's bad on your part.

[farside22]

@mr. Blond: the difference between me and my spot and you and your spot is yours requested replaced. The mod said the person I replaced did not pick up the pm.

That makes literally no difference. It could be something as simple as my previous slot holder actually had the courtesy to respond to the MOD to seek replacement versus the others. How would you know differently?

You are using intangible evidence and supposed experience as a way to push me for a generic tell that essentially I can't defend against. That's bad on your part.

One) as I stated previously I checked to see the player who replaced out was posting elsewhere. (2)It's early. I don't expect people to agree.
(3) mod said pm's not picked up. Did you check to see if players were still around?
I know for example ki hasn't been online since Friday.

Hold on a sec

[Amy Farrah Fowler]

Unvote

and

Vote Mr Blonde

Something makes me think he is mafia.

Would you like to inform us of what that something is?
Or if it's gut feeling then are there any specific posts that provoked it?

[farside22]

Sorry knew about ki do to ongoing game but this is the post records of whom I replaced

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 6&sr=posts

The 19th was there last post so the mod statement has more value and I know my role is town too.

[Mr_Blonde]

@mr. Blond: the difference between me and my spot and you and your spot is yours requested replaced. The mod said the person I replaced did not pick up the pm.

That makes literally no difference. It could be something as simple as my previous slot holder actually had the courtesy to respond to the MOD to seek replacement versus the others. How would you know differently?

You are using intangible evidence and supposed experience as a way to push me for a generic tell that essentially I can't defend against. That's bad on your part.

One) as I stated previously I checked to see the player who replaced out was posting elsewhere. (2)It's early. I don't expect people to agree.
(3) mod said pm's not picked up. Did you check to see if players were still around?
I know for example ki hasn't been online since Friday.

Hold on a sec

1) What does that have anything to do with me and THIS game thread?

2) I'm not sure how the stage of the game is relevant here. You have already passed judgement on my slot based on a generic tell without allowing time to actually analyze me first. That makes you either a) derptown or b) scum.

3) No - why would I? It has nothing to do with what's ITT.

Sorry knew about ki do to ongoing game but this is the post records of whom I replaced

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 6&sr=posts

The 19th was there last post so the mod statement has more value and I know my role is town too.

You lost me on this one. Mod statement has more value than what?