NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

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/confirm

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Have not read anything; forgot this game started. Will read today/tomorrow.

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On one hand: WTF Aegor?
On the other: Appreciate the honesty and the fact that you're back now.

I was on a retreat and had very limited access. Also, 26 pages in 3-4 days is outrageous. Anyway, expect something tomorrow.

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Indifferent toward Tree lynch. Townreading Majiffy and Psyche. Null on T S O. Liking Alina and farside for town. This game has not been content-heavy, so I will not do my typical catchup post.

Spoiler:

I have been reading along, but haven't understood half of what is going on. Tree made a couple of quickly disproven fake claims that I can't see the purpose for. And I can't see the motivation for it from either a scum or a town. Although I will say that it seemed to generate quite a bit of conversation.

The recent interactions between Aero and Elyse have convinced me to
VOTE: Aeronaut

So yeah

he's town

moving on

I get that Gameplay's theory on a mountainous game makes it look like he is vanilla town. And I've never played with him before, but isn't it worth considering that he's scum who made this whole thing up to look like vanilla town?

Texcat mentions a lot about tree in the post I quoted but vote for aero for an unknown reason.
I typically see that from newbscum. Where you mention a player you don't like but vote the other and the person you have more issue with is your scum buddy.

I mentioned Tree because I had just finished reading 10 pages about Tree. I stated how I felt about the big wagon of the day, that I didn't understand or like the double claim, but didn't see it as particularly scummy. I then voted Aero, who I do find scummy, based on his interactions with Elyse, as I thought I had clearly stated.

Your voting based on some crap rule about mentioning one player and voting another is just that, crap.

VOTE: texcat

Nonsensical and unexplained vote on Aeronaut; paralipsis of "quite a bit of conversation," none of which is described or analyzed; cockamamie theory in 627 that is used to cast suspicion of gameplay but goes nowhere.

Spoiler:

I didn't think your vote was permanent initially. But you seem more and more attached to it as the day grows.
...
Meanwhile, you should vote tn5421.

It wasnt, and it does.

I wont be moving off tree unless absolutely necessary.

Im seeing strong pushback with moonlogic from psyche and aero that look like buddies helping a strong scum pr out of the depths

, strengthened by trees lurking the wagon away and inability to answer for anything.

You really should hop on.

How can you possibly justify that statement?

VOTE: tree

follow reinoe since he is making sense

Ew.


Oka can die, too.

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Read the thread. You're asking redundant questions at this point.

I already read the thread. The issue is that your claims are not directly supportable at all and rest on ever-more-tenuous assertions.

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Nope; I remember your utter uselessness quite well.

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Read the thread. You're asking redundant questions at this point.

I already read the thread. The issue is that your claims are not directly supportable at all and rest on ever-more-tenuous assertions.

Please directly quote all of my not-directly-supportable claims and my ever-tenuous assertions.
Be so kind as to also provide arguments supporting your positions on aforementioned claims and assertions.


I imagine this won't take long or be much work considering this thread is "not content-heavy".

They culminate in the post I quoted and began in earnest with your speculation about tree's motivation, which was rightly criticized by Psyche et al. As far as I am concerned, there is no case whatsoever on tree that has any real legitimacy stemming from his gambits, and yet some now feel comfortable asserting he could be a scum PR and two other players are protecting scumbuddies.

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You know I cleaned my glasses, bumped up the brightness and contrast on my monitor, but I'm still not seeing any direct quotes here.

You should get your eyesight checked then.

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Feel free to super size the quotes to large for me and my old man eyes.

Nah. I assume you are capable of reading my posts; the direct quotations are there. You can have someone dictate to you as needed.

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Aeronaut wagon is boring. The only segment of his posting that is arguably scummy is his AtE in recent pages, which means that his wagon was building on nothing.


Texcat is a much better lynch.

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Also, Elyse is useless or scum.

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Not liking RoyalApe's recent posts either.

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scum

Aeronaut flipflops, aggressive under pressure

omguscum

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farside And her recent change to TN is ?

So your scum candidates are the one person that everyone is voting and the two people who think you are scum?

@everyone:

Please explain to me why texcat should be kept alive. I am really not seeing it.

@farside:

Time to vote texcat again.

@RoyalApe:

Give me your thoughts on the Aero wagon. Also tell me your current Elyse read and who your top scumreads are.

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Aegor, explain to me why he's scummier than Oka.

How can I possibly answer such an open-ended question? I have explained why texcat is scummy. I do not find Oka worthy of a Day 1 lynch because nothing he has done strikes me as especially scummy.

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The last ten pages almost made me vomit from anger.

There was no point whatsoever to running Aero up; his softclaim should have been ignored from the beginning.

Josh's CC made absolutely no sense. Way to suck.

Titus' vote after the claim was...there are no words.



Still want to lynch texcat. Would be fine lynching Titus.

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Elyse and ns, you should both be ashamed of your boundless incompetence that has prompted this horrifying display of idiocy.

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he wasnt run up for the softclaim

Yes, he was. Explicitly.

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I've done nothing wrong.

Well, I think reality disagrees.

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As I said earlier, texcat is a low priority lynch, one that I'm willing to compromise to if I can't get my primary reads {Titus, NotScience} dealt with.

I would be willing to lynch ns as well.

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I WANT TO GET YOU TO L-1 TO CLAIM BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN SOFTCLAIMING LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER AND IT'S SCARING SOME IDIOTS FROM VOTING YOU EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY SCUM.

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As I said, the softclaim should have been ignored from the beginning.

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That's not why he was run up. He was run up for being scummy.

Disagree, especially given ns. And your really cannot say that unless the wagon is 100% transparent and town, since, if he is town, you just gave scum a nice open door to come in and force his claim.

And once the softclaim is out there, you can't just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist. It needs to be dealt with.

No; it does not. It is completely irrelevant and there is no benefit whatsoever to "dealing with it" until absolutely necessary.

I'm done with your shitty attitude though.

Have fun outing more PRs; so helpful!1!!1~

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you're using one post by one person on the wagon as the best evidence accounting for the large aero wagon

Not all posts have the same influence or weight. And see my post above. And the wagon sucked from the beginning, as I have said repeatedly.

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I am actually a Role Blocker- This is a two for one special, even if I die in the night, and the third member isn't identified, we have two known scums, that can be vigged or PL'd in succession.

Sorry; who are the two known scums again?

I want to know who's in this neighborhood. There's guaranteed scum there. (Also with 5 people I find it even stranger that Aero would be willing to fullclaim there but whatever)

How do you know there is guaranteed scum?


I strongly oppose outing the other members of the neighborhood.

It's basically the same as taking five random people from the game and saying "there is probably at least one scum in this pile."

except its not since wake planned out the setup

Unless neighborhoods were randomly generated.

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Uh, no. Unless we are all holding idiot balls and assuming that mods are somehow incapable of conceptualizing an all-town neighborhood.

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I am not trying to spin anything. I do not even know the members of the neighborhood. But I see no reason to believe that there must be a scum in it.

And I am definitely town. You know, probably.

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None of that relates to anything I said, so I will not respond.

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I don't understand why you see no reason to believe there's scum in it given the site's meta.

Because I see no reason to base my scumhunting on setup speculation and outguessing the mod.

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I do not know what to do with this game anymore.

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But texcat must be destroyed.

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Can people please stop posting one-liners? I am guilty of this.


It really disrupts reading flow; it encourages scattered thinking; it makes this game frustratingly long.

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But texcat must be destroyed.

Why?

ISO me for the answer! I have already explained why texcat is really scummy.

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i still don't think you push hard enough

EVERYONE, VOTE TEXCAT.

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He may not be the droids you are looking for.

Large Normal allows for 2 nonstandard roles I believe.

There is a possibility that you're wrong.

What will you do if you are?

Yuck...more claims.

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This game is moving so quickly and is so disorganized that I would probably be fine lynching most players.

But vote texcat.

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You haven't given any reasons for voting texcat since Post #772.

Those reasons were more than sufficient to justify votes that have not yet arrived, and his complete lack of contribution since then is another strong reason, if additional ones are needed.

Most of your other posts regarding him are "Vote texcat", which is no better than most of Oka's posts of "Why isn't Tree dead yet?". You also said in that same post that Oka can die too, and yet you're trying to get people to vote texcat when there's already an Oka wagon rolling. Can you explain to me why?

Because I feel strongly that texcat is scummier than Oka, and no one -- even upon request -- has been able to tell me why he is not. Oka

can

die, but I would rather at least get a texcat wagon rolling.

Is there any danger to at least wagoning him?

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that's a pretty meh case btw
i see evidence that he's not trying, but other than that, eh
his gameplay comment seems more like casual, throwaway theorizing than an attempt to set up a mislynch

on texcat

Or his gameplay comment is lazy scum-throwing-spaghetti.

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Titus thinks he is obvscum. Furthermore, his role, being non-confirmable, is consequently not a deterrent.

I see no vacillating.

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Yes

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@Aegor, what are your scumreads besides Texcat?

NS for active lurking/fluffing. Royal Ape for active lurking/lack of content/lack of definite reads. TSO for not being clearly town.

I have struggled reading all of the posts and I believe Titus when she says (over and over and over again) that she

knows

that Aero is going to flip scum. If I find out that she lied about knowing, my next vote will be easy.

VOTE: Aeronaut

Thank you for nailing your own coffin shut.

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Didn't see this before. Aegor, Aero is town. Their posting is the exact opposite of your 3 scumreads.

I have no problem with Aero town; I have not supported, as far as I remember, his wagon.


That being said, people reluctant to vote texcat should explain why. Someone else is way scummier? Texcat is town? etc.

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I am also not in support of the tree wagon, nor was I in the past.


"Shitty GS claim" is not a good reason for a scumread unless it is truly awful, which Aero's was not. We are obviously able to lynch him tomorrow if his results/claim prove unsatisfactory.

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I also do not know how much to read into your typo.

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Mine is way out of date and I am not updating it for a bit; my jobs are busy at the moment.

You are welcome to check through my Thread History. I can also refer you to some of my prior games upon request and specification (e.g. if you want recent scumgames).

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More importantly, I would really like this day to end.

I am happy to lynch texcat or any other player as long as it is texcat.

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Aegor we are at an impasse. I want Aeronsut.

Lynch texcat today. If he flips scum, yay. If he flips town, *sadface* and I will defer to others given that my reads are clearly unreliable.

But from my point of view, you are advocating for the lynch of a claimed PR over the lynch of someone else who is IMO at least equally scummy. I will not be voting Aero today.

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We have several days until deadline.

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Third of August, I think.

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Mod: VC please

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Yay!

Now we can vote texcat. DOOOOOOOOOOO IIIIIIIT.

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Psyche, vote texcat. I know you find his wagon uncompelling, but there is no reason to risk a mislynch. You can hold me accountable if he is town.

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You people are idiots.

I am a Macho Bodyguard. Vote texcat.

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And before some little turd gets mad at me for claiming,

1) Anyone who has played with me knows that I vehemently despise deadline wagon shifts. I have never been lynched this way as scum. So you all deserve it.
2) My only purpose PR-wise is to absorb NKs, so whatever.

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can we lynch pv now

Are you insane? There are maybe 12 hours until deadline. Vote for texcat, or else I will find out where you live, come to your residence, and poop on your face.


VOTE TEXCAT

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VOTE: Aegor

Baaaad fakeclaim.

When texcat flips scum, you are next.

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I doubt Texcat is flipping scum. I doubt you are town. You have been harping on texcat scum but leaving zero clues as to who you would guard.

Why on earth would I leave clues as to whom I would guard? What possible benefit to town would that be?

That sounds like a scum role in multiball

Scum has the chance to die so that scum may survive? Unless you are saying that one of my alleged scumbuddies is some God-tier PR, that makes no sense.

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There is no reason whatsoever to keep texcat alive. The fact that several counterwagons,

several of which have led to PR claims

, have formed while the texcat wagon carries on without leading to a lynch should be a huge tipoff.

He has claimed VT. Someone explain to me how any of this makes any sense.

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If he was scum why would he claim VT, seeing as the other PR claims' wagons were dismantled?

too many pr claims

Your question has been answered. Even after claiming VT, his wagon did not reach lynch.

Do whatever you want. I am offline until after deadline because I will be asleep/at the first day of school. I will be after noon PST tomorrow in case I have messed up the deadline time zone or something.

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What reinoe said.

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Why include a Cop and Tracker? =/


Whatever; I am not that strong. Just lynch texcat tomorrow once you know that my counterwagon was a desperate yet horrifyingly mind-bogglingly successful attempt to avoid texcat's lynch.

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Phoneposting so excuse grammar


I meant that cops and trackers have been included together. There is clearly precedent for including similar roles and even the same roles in the same game. See toomai's recently completed large normal for an example.

I am now out until after deadline.

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All of that is ultimately irrelevant and probably seems like me trying to defend my fakeclaim. But if after all this time I am the best that you can do, I will appreciate the sweet release from this game anyway.

But think about how many PRs have been outed and why texcat is still alive when I flip.