Mini 1604 -- Zodiac Mafia (Game Over)

[PeregrineV]

I'm pretty happy with toasty's catchup and salamence's catchup, which means intial reads weren't good.
Meanwhile...

Vote: PeregrineV

[PeregrineV]

I'm pretty happy with toasty's catchup and salamence's catchup, which means intial reads weren't good.
Meanwhile...

Vote: PeregrineV

Am I the only one who feels this Pere vote just came out of nowhere?

No, I agree with you.

[Gemini Blind]

You are pointing out that the syntax of the dayvig is relevant.

If I were the dayvig, and and didn't want to dayvig someone, I would simply PM the mod to tell them not to count it.

Wait, seriously? Wouldn't that be the same thing as me voting someone and asking the mod not to count it?

[Gemini Blind]

~STD

[PeregrineV]

is this vote based on "random undisclosed information," too?

but really I deserve the vote because I completely forgot I was in a game.

You said you'd catch up Saturday night. It was Tuesday.
The game isn't too fast where you got left behind.
More incentive to post.
Was bored.
Secret stuff.

Do like your catchup.

Vote: Dry-fit

[Dry-fit]

Toasty is null to you, and you don't like my vote on him? ¿Por que?

I don't like naked votes. Also I don't like voting a player this far into the game who hasn't really provided content. You still haven't explained your vote.

@DryFit: I'm excited to watch my fav djoker slaughter murray tomorrow

Haggis Boy is taking out the trash tonight. Book it.

[PeregrineV]

You are pointing out that the syntax of the dayvig is relevant.

If I were the dayvig, and and didn't want to dayvig someone, I would simply PM the mod to tell them not to count it.

Wait, seriously? Wouldn't that be the same thing as me voting someone and asking the mod not to count it?

Dunno. But voting rules are posted in Rules pretty clearly, and it's also pretty standard. Special abilities are not, even if the activation is supposedly public (dayvigs and treestumps are the first things that come to mind).

[PeregrineV]

Toasty is null to you, and you don't like my vote on him? ¿Por que?

I don't like naked votes. Also I don't like voting a player this far into the game who hasn't really provided content. You still haven't explained your vote.

Been posting my thoughts. If you're looking for something in particular, you can ask.

My Toasty vote? 298
My dry-fit vote? 267

[Dry-fit]

So you think the only thing I should look at to determine whether I like a vote or not is my read on the player it's on?

[Salamence20]

PV is votehopping.

Squirm baby squirm

[Juls]

Mod:

I guess I will stay in.

I will try to catch up tonight.

[StrangerCoug]

How am I misrepping you?

If I don't care about your read on Sala, then why do you keep defending against me by talking about your read on Sala? It's like telling the doctor you don't need a cast on your arm because nothing's wrong with your leg.

Right now I believe that, if Dry-fit and Nachomamma8 are the same alignment, they are both town. I'd expect a weaker defense of Dry-fit from scumbuddy-Nachomamma8.

but nacho could unknowingly be defending scum. So do you think dry-fit is town independent of nacho defending him?

No. My post implies only that I don't think they're both scum. I don't expect any immediate alignment information about Nachomamma8 from Dry-fit dead or vice versa.

I scumread you for not scumreading anyone PERIOD. I am not trying to force you to sheep me; I am trying to force you to take an actual part in this game.

Where did Elyse say you wanted her to sheep you?

It's implied here:

Your scumread on me is because I don't have scumreads - and your only other scumread is Sala.

So basically, from your PoV, my only scumread should have been Sala.

[ToastyToast]

I hope this means that the dayvig shot is a joke. I believe that using the dayvig day 1 is perfectly fine accuracy-wise: most of the reason later days are more informed than earlier ones is because of the people who are killed and give the town information. Town dayvigging facilitates that: it doesn't always hit scum, sure, but it'll make a later lynch more likely to hit scum and bring the town closer to winning if done properly.

I faked the day kill to prove a point. I "used" it day 1 and people freaked out because they thought I was wrong and/or there wasn't enough information to determine Gemini as scum. But the fact that people disagree with my position on Gemini doesn't somehow lower the chance of error if I were to dayvig Gemini for real.

Furthermore, dayvig gives information, as you say. That makes it more informative to let the vig decide on their own (it gives insight into one persons head rather than having to get into the contrasting opinions of a group on whoever the chosen target is) and it doesn't really matter if scum has it. Whoever uses it gives us information, but if that person feels they don't have enough information to make that decision D1, then they shouldn't use it.

I find Toasty's posts poor and decisions anti-town.
Waiting for the mod to post I suppose, as that's relevant to interpreting the situation right now.

No one cares.

@Xayzck: you question nacho on his belief that my catchup is "good," so what is your stance on it?

PV is scum with toasty.

Gemini is flipping town

how the f did you come to that conclusion.

I didn't like the catchup because I didn't like the points he made and the shot if true pretty much makes me want to strangle him.
I did like the catchup because it seems like ToastyTown to a T.

good you gave me the expected reaction.

ToastyToast I think I'm just emotionally reacting to, not sure yet if his play is anti-town.

Not sure if we played before, but I intentionally annoy people to get reactions. I don't think this is antitown.

PV is votehopping.
Squirm baby squirm

reading my first post and leaving the wagon for it is votehopping?

Vote: Salamance

Prefer this wagon atm but also want to push PV a bit.

[Salamence20]

Sala to Dry to Toasty.

Vote hopping

[Gemini Blind]

Not sure if we played before, but I intentionally annoy people to get reactions. I don't think this is antitown.

No but misrepping me and blatantly twisting words doesn't make me think you're trying to annoy me; it showcases a pattern of poor behavior and it makes me think that I shouldn't take anything you say seriously.

~STD

[StrangerCoug]

Sala to Dry to Toasty.

Vote hopping

To whom is this accusation directed?

[Salamence20]

Toasty, who voted me for thinking PV is votehopping

[StrangerCoug]

Toasty, who voted me for thinking PV is votehopping

Which is not a legitimate reason to vote you, now that you bring it up. I would call three votes in fourteen posts vote hopping.

FoS: Toasty and PeregrineV

I'm seeing a chainsaw defense here.

[PeregrineV]

So you think the only thing I should look at to determine whether I like a vote or not is my read on the player it's on?

That's up to you. If I think someone is scum for one reason, and you think someone is scum for another, then I don't care, as long as you vote them.

[PeregrineV]

PV is votehopping.

Squirm baby squirm

You mean I 'm going from biggest wagon to biggest wagon?

Because otherwise you are attempting to make changing my vote a scummy thing.

[PeregrineV]

Toasty, who voted me for thinking PV is votehopping

Which is not a legitimate reason to vote you, now that you bring it up. I would call three votes in fourteen posts vote hopping.

Sorry I missed the memo on the minimum posts needed before changing votes.

FoS: Toasty and PeregrineV

I'm seeing a chainsaw defense here.

Just so I'm reading this right, you think Toasty is defending me by attacking Sal, right?

[ToastyToast]

Not sure if we played before, but I intentionally annoy people to get reactions. I don't think this is antitown.

No but misrepping me and blatantly twisting words doesn't make me think you're trying to annoy me; it showcases a pattern of poor behavior and it makes me think that I shouldn't take anything you say seriously.

~STD

Where did I "twist" your words? Commenting on a post is not "twisting" words. If I misinterpreted then point out how, then explain how rather than complaining about "how wrong" I am. If everyone just said YOU'RE WRONG then we wouldn't really get anywhere.

Also....

Attempt 2:

In post 263, ToastyToast wrote:
gross. You should never let dayvigs get controlled by majority rules. Or any vigs for that matter. Because even if scum isn't influencing it, incorrect town can.


Good thing our dayvig can't be scum nor incorrect town. OH WAIT.

ToastyToast, you've completely misreped me, I have a slew of posts where I give a shit about the dayvig. That post is one where I give a shit about the day vig. I say that if the mafia has it, I want that vig outted. If town has it, great. They can use it however they please, but as long as it's an unknown, I'm going to try to make it known. But thanks for ignoring everything else I said and not reading what you quoted correctly.

Ok so you're saying I misreped you because I commented on a post where you gave a shit about the dayvig, and

misread

a post. I'm still unclear how I misread this.

Hate to break it to you but even if I did, that doesn't make it a misrep. You said it, I commented on it. I did not put words in your mouth.

1) I never claimed that you only cared about the dayvig. And guess what? you saying that is a misrep.
2) When you talked about the dayvig, it sounded unnecessary. You were like "mafia has it, vig should be outed,"; "town has it, they shouldn't be outed." Well unless you know who has it then you have just made a useless comment. Now that you've explained what you meant, I get it. You would prefer to "expose" the dayvig in the case that it is scum, and if it exposes town with it you still feel its necessary as a precaution. THERE WAS THAT SO HARD?

Toasty, who voted me for thinking PV is votehopping

Which is not a legitimate reason to vote you, now that you bring it up. I would call three votes in fourteen posts vote hopping.

FoS: Toasty and PeregrineV

I'm seeing a chainsaw defense here.

I think you should look up the definition of a chainsaw defense.

Firstly, I never said PV was town, I just think Slamence20's reasons are the shittiest on the wagon.

Let's break down PV's 3 votes:

1) Burn: RVS
2) My slot: early push
3) Salamance: some sort of unexplained speshul reasons and probably my biggest problem with the PV votes (although PV not explaining things isn't really out of the ordinary)
4) My slot: push again because my lack of posting made him suspicious. And this is fair.
5) Salamence: Goes back here because after my slot provided

actual content

, he went back to his scumread.

So that's not vote-hopping. He isn't bouncing from place to place to go with the flow of the game. Its not like he went from me to salamance to gemini.
So yeah, its a bad reason for voting PV.

[ToastyToast]

@Coug: If you had a vote on someone and they provided content that changed your mind, would you keep your vote on them?

[PeregrineV]

@Toasty

- I'm actually currently voting Dry-Fit (mostly for his objection to my vote on you, a null read of his).

[StrangerCoug]

Toasty, who voted me for thinking PV is votehopping

Which is not a legitimate reason to vote you, now that you bring it up. I would call three votes in fourteen posts vote hopping.

Sorry I missed the memo on the minimum posts needed before changing votes.

There's no hard number, but I do consider it a bad sign.

FoS: Toasty and PeregrineV

I'm seeing a chainsaw defense here.

Just so I'm reading this right, you think Toasty is defending me by attacking Sal, right?

Yes.

I think you should look up the definition of a chainsaw defense.

Firstly, I never said PV was town, I just think Slamence20's reasons are the shittiest on the wagon.

Let's break down PV's 3 votes:

1) Burn: RVS
2) My slot: early push
3) Salamance: some sort of unexplained speshul reasons and probably my biggest problem with the PV votes (although PV not explaining things isn't really out of the ordinary)
4) My slot: push again because my lack of posting made him suspicious. And this is fair.
5) Salamence: Goes back here because after my slot provided

actual content

, he went back to his scumread.

So that's not vote-hopping. He isn't bouncing from place to place to go with the flow of the game. Its not like he went from me to salamance to gemini.
So yeah, its a bad reason for voting PV.

Fair enough.

Un-FoS

for the both of you.

@Coug: If you had a vote on someone and they provided content that changed your mind, would you keep your vote on them?

About alignment, which is what I think you're asking about, no.