Mini 1608--Mafia on the Air(Fin)

[Nashville Dreams]

I don't care if you find me suspicious, I just don't get your hydras interaction with me and if you are who I now think you are I'm completely dumbfounded and don't know what to think.

STOP.

Stop stop stop.

Please until I'm home. Please.

~M

[Baboon Pride]

Tammy, lemme talk to

nacho

Nashville!

Pedit: no, and I think ceph wanted to find out why it was just him. he thinks 5-off is 3p who isn't supposed to out that info, but I disagree

[gossamer wings]

I had a paranoid theory about lissa but I'm still pickng out briars.

Basically fonz was the one who came out and asked if everyone disbelieved the claim that 5-off made and that made everyone think lissa looks town. But I wondered, since scum have day talk, if lissa would have listed what happened in the neighborhood and her partners told her to react like that and then used it to clear her.

But I think that's a far fetched thought even for me. Except I don't not really

[Baboon Pride]

Tammy.

[Nashville Dreams]

Hmm Interesting.

Could it possibly be scum who wanted to try and cause paranoia in side of the 'hood?

TAMMY STOP

[Baboon Pride]

Possible, though that would mean scum had already posted, I would think?

[gossamer wings]

I'm not going to out who I think you are.

What?

[Nashville Dreams]

I'm not going to out who I think you are.

What?

No I thought you were posting that was one to me, sorry.

Anyways I'm gone. Mara ill try and sync up more later but we might have issues with time zones ++ work.
~M

[Baboon Pride]

As far as that goes, I would still think it's approach was the most effective in obtaining that. second bet would be 5-off in that respect though the manner of how it happened would be incredibly gutsy

[gossamer wings]

I'm not discounting 5off especially as falcon says he has a well developed scum game. I know a couple people ballsy enough as scum to do that and without knowing him it's hard to discount it.

[Baboon Pride]

Dunno, I guess I like to think of myself as risky scum, yet wouldn't have the balls to willingly do that.

Anyway, I have to head off to work, as well

[The Fonz]

I had a paranoid theory about lissa but I'm still pickng out briars.

Basically fonz was the one who came out and asked if everyone disbelieved the claim that 5-off made and that made everyone think lissa looks town. But I wondered, since scum have day talk, if lissa would have listed what happened in the neighborhood and her partners told her to react like that and then used it to clear her.

But I think that's a far fetched thought even for me. Except I don't not really

That's not strictly what I asked. But whatevs.

Tammy, why would putative Lissa scumbuddies tell her to post that her role PM was different to 5-Off's, when the scumbuddies are presented with the same risk/reward calculus as when Lissa thinks about it herself?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I wouldn't say mine was the same if I was lying - I'd be afraid of being quizzed on my PM. I don't think I've fully wrapped my head around the neighborhood faction though.

[gossamer wings]

Right. Hood people. This is reasonably important.

When 5-off said there was scum in the 'hood, did anyone say that their role PM didn't mention anything about that? If so, who did so first?

I paraphrased this post.

You're asking me to rationalize a paranoid theory. Lissa looked town to everyone for saying it? That's a motivation. I mean, as scum, she couldn't know that every town wouldn't have that in the role pm, but I mean yeah. I kinda like lissa anyway as she said she wentooking through my meta and couldn't find what others said was there when I kinda think it would be easier to go yeah it's there but yeah not going to stop that part of my brain that goes THEY SET IT ALL UP!!!

[The Fonz]

Tammy, please at least comment on the notion that it's incredibly risky to do that as scum, because if everyone else goes 'Yeah my role pm is the same as 5-Offs' your bluff is called and you get lynched, whereas if you wait until one other person has commented either way, you blend in. I've seen scum been caught in a similar way (scum warned that there might be scum in the neighborhood, all the town PMs said there definitely was).

[gossamer wings]

Sure. And why is Fonz town?

~ F-16

His question confirming Lissa, his question in 626, his concern re: my interaction with 5-Off (which is wrong but understandable), and 683 had town notes (specifically his read on IHNC, his hesitance to read you guys as town based on your competence as scum, which I also relate to, and his self-checking re: Honey). Obviously, not the strongest read, as there are things about him bothering me. He hasn't committed strongly to a lot of positions, but I can also understand that feeling, since I'm having a tough time getting strong reads on most players as well. The misreading and blurring things together bothered me for a second, but it really could come from town or scum, as it was probably unintentional, regardless of alignment.

Actually fonz' hesitance to read us based on competence pinged. I don't think we're the only competent players here, and most importantly in swag town he used the too paranoid to read you as town cuz I was fooled by you as scum. (He used the wrong reasoning to be paranoid of me though which felt fake). So I'm like is he doing it again? Not a big point but I did go eh.

[Csareo]

Catching up now. If someone wants to supplement me with the game highlights, I would appreciate it.

[gossamer wings]

Tammy, please at least comment on the notion that it's incredibly risky to do that as scum, because if everyone else goes 'Yeah my role pm is the same as 5-Offs' your bluff is called and you get lynched, whereas if you wait until one other person has commented either way, you blend in. I've seen scum been caught in a similar way (scum warned that there might be scum in the neighborhood, all the town PMs said there definitely was).

It is risky. Impossible, no. Unlikely, sure.

That does not stop me from jumping down a rabbit hole and going what if?!? Not a case I'd make or something I'd push but sometimes I feel better getting my random theories out there to see whether or not they are possible rather than hold onto them and start building it.

[gossamer wings]

I don't mind if I am a null read or if someone thinks I am competent at scum. I do get surprised that people think that but it's nice. I just had flashbacks about that particular one.

[The Fonz]

On competence, Tammy, the point is you've not really done anything that would be particularly difficult or risky for either of you as scum. I'm not going to read you as town because you're active and making semi-reasonable points, because you do that in every game. If you drop an actual towntell? That's when you get read as town. I can understand you being wary of expressed paranoia because Swagtown - hell, that's precisely why i'm suspicious of FourT's 'I'm so paranoid' schtick.

[The Fonz]

(Also that I was scum in that game doesn't necessarily mean I wouldn't have had reservations about how everyone was assuming TammyTown had I been town).

[The Fonz]

asking Baboon to explain something that he'd clearly worded in such a way as to imply that discussion of it would be anti-town

Fonz, I think this is a particular thing that makes FT more town, not less.

I feel the opposite. Fishing. Competent town should have caught your drift.

Also if scum turn out to have daytalk you should be getting a negative connection between FT and me here.
-b

Yes. The nature of how I believe FT was acting toward you only makes sense as scum if you're town.

[Csareo]

Okay, I don't know why my predecessor didn't say anything. I feel my role is more believable if I claim now, rather than later.
I may be doing something wrong, because I have never had an informational role in this manner. The passive role allows me to know the identity of 4 random players.

Anyways, I never claim D1, but I'm trusting my better judgement here. My role is rather useless, anyways.

[Csareo]

I wont be revealing the 4 players, so that way I can check there L-1 claim.

[The Fonz]

Identity as in flavour?