Mini 1595: WiFom City: The Inquisition - GAME OVER - THANKS!

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Confirm.

Let's talk mechanics.

I would like a gravedigger claim in pregame for accountability purposes, and to aide the apprentice with their choice. Without a survivalist or oracle in the game, the power of the judge is decreased while the power of the gravedigger is increased, which I suggest the apprentice take into account.

A town Jester should randomize with a 75% chance of using Witch Trick and a 25% chance of using no trick. I will consider Lynch trick or Info trick a scumclaim from the jester.The Inquisitor should consider checking themselves toNight to see if Info trick has been used, though that's usually not too difficult to find out later on.

The bomb should be treated like an extra lynch, and if the Bomber sets it off on someone on Night 1 without a majority of the town's support, they should probably be lynched.

The Leeroy should not go off unless they are absolutely sure they are going to be lynched. Seriously. Don't do it. Town DOB's also have a habit a of behaving stupidly, because they believe that their shot is their last chance at hitting concealed scum. Don't be an idiot, and realize that if a lot of people are town reading someone, there's probably a good reason.

Most of all, keep it in your pants. We want scum to shoot into our extra lives instead of our holies, and every claim narrows down the gamestate for them.

Now who here has played Witchhunt or a variation before?

In other news, Rubicon is town.

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Yeah, you're a gambler alright.

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Pst Atum and Rubicon, even though I know your answers, you still have to answer the question for the other people in the game.

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Sadly Kai isn't in this game, so I can't go with my with my usual strategy of lynching him Day 1 and letting him lead the Angels. So Angel advice: Try to out wifom the demons without using up the cards. It'll be tempting to use the Angel abilities initially, but they are much more useful in endgame and once you use them, the demons can act without fear of them.

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Hey Rubicon, I think you're town, but you've had a great start on making me want to lynch you anyway.

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Grib: What am I?

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Atum: To be clear, you're calling me scum?

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Yes.

Lovely. Welcome to the town block.

Unsight: It's not as bad as you think. If the Angels are accurate, they can effectively reduce the number of kill during Last Stand to one or even zero a night. In addition, many of the kill roles and protective roles are likely to be in town's hand. We'll probably have a margin of error of 2-3 mislynches.

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It's how my town blocks work.

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Please. You know why.

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Fyi, when I said "Let's talk mechanics" I didn't mean "Let me tell you all what to do with your roles." I want your thoughts and a gravedigger claim.

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Because it is unequivocally pro-town.

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Because ever game where we don't the gravedigger ends up being scum, having a scummate claim the role and then coast to endgame. When the gravedigger claims, they don't get shot, because the information provided benefits both sides and the scum prefer to holy hunt. In addition, the claim itself can be useful for determining the gravedigger's alignment.

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If the Apprentice is scum, they're going to pick Gravedigger anyway. Having the gravedigger claim in pre-game with a scum!apprentice just has the potential of outing the judge.

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It's my standard opening post. Last time's was more abrupt because I was posting from a borrowed phone in the middle of a road trip. Why don't you remember my detailed explanations from your last Witchhunt?

Heel: No, I'm not joking. Atum is town and Rubicon is probably town.

Ika: Chill with the rolehuning and focus on scumhunting in the thread. You can post all the roleguesses you want privately.

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@font fuck that.

We had this discussion before on how I scumhunt. Especially in a wh game

We also had a discussion about how you were going to try to be a decent player instead of throwing tantrums and fucking around.

Heel: No, I'm not joking. Atum is town and Rubicon is probably town.

Am I supposed to be convinced? Such declarations are more sketchy than anything otherwise notable. And I don't mean this as a way of insulting your skill or accomplishments. It just doesn't seem like an accurate or helpful thing to state so offhandedly.

No. The convincing will come later. Right now, check out post 159 in the Witchhunt game you were linked, then look at the scumteam. I know what I'm doing.

Ika's town, I like Citrus for pointing it out, and we should ignore Ika's plans anyway.

Not gravedigger.

I'm sad that Grib is scum this game. It breaks my heart.

I like you. Now try to elaborate a little more. (See, that was buddying.)

Heel is probably town? I'm going to have to meta him, but he feels like a newbie trying to figure out the game.

Rubicon assuming I'm not the apprentice here is weird.

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I don't want a fight with you ika. I want you to uphold your end of the deal and try. Just try.

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Atum
Ika

Rubicon

MadCitrus
Holder of the Heel

Stigmata
ZZZX

Albert B. Rampage
Honey bee
Jargonaut

Unsight
Grib

Yep, that looks right.

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Fine.

But bright yellow must be used to represent null. No other color can match it.

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That is a red, not a yellow. (I'll avoid that shade in the future.)

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Alright. I'm seeing Billy Joel tomorrow night. Pretty excited.

You?

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Grib: Then be more obv town.

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and to aide the apprentice with their choice.

What do you mean by this? How would this affect the apprentice's choice? Tbh, I don't see a purpose in choosing judge over gd anyways. Judge doesn't seem useful enough to warrant two. So the apprentice is likely to pick gd anyways.

Circumstances can factor in. For example, in my last game I was a town!apprentice. I picked judge, because I was fairly certain the gd was town and going to claim and I didn't trust that town to lynch, so I wanted to know who would be making the kills. I also didn't expect to survive long enough for any GD info I could get down the line to be useful. The action allowed me to get a solid town read on the judge in that game (in addition to my attempts to set him up to get shot as the priest).

Grib: No. And that's why you're scum.

Ika: I like opening more than closing. Morning hours are always lighter for an ice cream shop. Why is honey town?

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Grib: For someone who's v/la, you're pretty active.

Too

active. (Cue the dramatic music.)

Stigmata: Yes. The town read of ika, to be exact.

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Oh Grib, I can't wait to end you.

Stigmata: Remind me to tell you after Citrus makes his catch up post.

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Well done Ika.

Grib: You shot me in the back of the head when I was your team.

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There was no one to shot. I had already killed/converted everyone.

God.

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Atum, please don't be this game's Lyrium. Thanks.

I'm scummates with Grib. Will you help me lynch him first?

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Can't yet. I'll get back to you in a bit. (It's totally Unsight.)

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And the town read of Rubicon drops a bit more.

That's alright. Stigmata can take his place.

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And the town read of Rubicon drops a bit more.

well it was irrationally strong to begin with, so I look forward to following your progression of this read.

Tell me exactly how I'm imitating a previous game and how it makes me scum, Rubicon? Oh wait, I'm not, this is how I play, and you know that. What the fuck are you doing undermining me on Day 1?

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Stigmata: Atum's a different person, and is probably too scared of me to challenge me like this if he were scum. Rubicon, on the other hand, knows better.

Heel: There's such a thing as too stupid to be fake. Honey's comment falls in that category. Try to be a little less wooden when you post, won't you? We're all just people.

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Rubicon: You understand that if I town I'm going to die soon correct? You also understand that every seed of doubt you sow about my alignment undermines my attempts to guide the town in the little time I have, correct? What are you doing.

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My point was down the road there would be harder to fakeclaim.. it's open but it's also flipless, and apparently since we have a judge and two viges, not everyone is going to have the chance to claim. You're definitely right that I have no clue how this game is usually played.

And I have to admit that I've never had a problem with a town who can't lynch on time. It's always seems like instead they're too eager to lynch.

Heel we're on page 7, are you really that interested in doubting other peoples reads? If you think I'm scum, I can see a purpose in doubting someones read to convince them to vote for me, but you have really nothing when it comes to reads right now. Who would you be voting at this point? I'd be voting you.

And now you're deciding to not take advantage of something that could clear you. Yeah, you're town.

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Heel, I don't know if you want my opinion, but I think that's unnecessary. The other Witchhunt games are required reading only if you want to be a complete master of the setup, which we don't expect from you. You seem like a thoughtful guy, and I don't doubt that if you keep playing you'll get a good understanding of the game. I'd hate for my history with some of the people in this game to drive anyone off.

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Reasonably true.

That was a lot less than I was expecting.

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VOTE: Rubicon

You dun goofed.

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Towntris! Oh, I've missed you.

Ika, Unsight, Honey Bee, Grib, Stigmata, Citrus and I are all town, kiddies. Look outside of that group.

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Actually, calling the Rubicon/ABR/Jargonaut scumteam with outside chances of ZZZX and Atum now.

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Dear Diary,
Today I was wondering about your emotions when you were making post 149. Perhaps you could explain them to me.

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ika: That's why. The relief was not faked. Delphine's town.

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Because she wanted people on phone's to have trouble reading it?

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I'll break this game if and when I feel like it.

Right now, Rubicon's imitating his scum play and I want him to die. Whee.

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"imitating"

Ika, sure

Scum.

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Did I say the imitation was intentional? No? That's because it's not. You'll notice Rubicon immediately nitpicked, because he's scum.

I'm not going to speculate on Rubicon's role here, even though some of it should be obvious. Deal with it.

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I'm saying your play is your scum play.

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Atum or Unsight.

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Think about it. It's not exactly difficult to figure out.

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Unsight: Are Rubicon and Atum inactive?

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Let's see:

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Unsight
Honey bee
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Atum

Citrus
Stigmata

Holder of the Heel
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Unsight's town for the paranoia about a scum!Apprentice killing the Gravedigger to get their powers. Honeybee's town for the fakeclaiming stuff and continuing to argue the point. ika's obviously town. Grib's probably town for the four scum town slip. Atum's town for the level of focus he has. I'll reconsider him if I get reason to believe Rubicon is town.

Towntrus' is present, but could be faked. Compare the focused catchup post style here to the respond to everything and push nothing post style in Witchhunt 4. Stigmata's lean town for the relief at Grib's town slip. Heel's replace out felt unlikely for someone excited for their first scumgame, but he could have just been overwhelmed. ZZZX feels like he isn't going for towncred, which puts him as a very slight town lean.

ABR's done nothing and I'll happily let you guys lynch him down the line for it. Jargonaut's argued against a townblock, apologized for being absent when he wasn't attacked for it, and gave himself a meta of weak scum play. And Rubicon is scum for fucking up his opening gambit and for being the only possible scum to have pushed me.

Boop, game solved.

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Fuck, no. We have already established that the bomb does not tell the gravedigger alignments.

You know what's a better idea of figuring out my alignment? Lynching the people I point you at, having them flip scum, having the scumteam fear kill me again, and then lynching from the bottom of my readlist up for the rest of the game.

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Why are you town reading Grib? Why not Unsight, Honeybee or Stigmata?

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ika, is there a particular reason you are imitating Titus from the last game here?

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Wow.

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Cry ourselves to sleep and then lynch scum exactly like we always do.

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Stigmata: I'm out of my funk. Ask me questions and I'll engage you.

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1. Rubicon likes to open games by saying something too stupid to possible be true, in order to get the game going and judge reactions. Here, he claimed town survivor, then scum gambler (a reference to his role in his last scum game) and then town gambler. The difference between this and the other times is here it was just a joke, and did nothing in the way of generating reactions.
2. I decided he wasn't town when I reviewed his first posts, noticed they were pointless, saw how he focused on figuring out your identity instead of scumhunting early on, and then grew dislike his post 155 as overly honest.
3. The picking at a minor wording arrangement was a way of discrediting my attack without directly engaging me. Simply put, it was a cop out.
4. I think it's unlikely that more than one scum is pushing me, and extremely unlikely that all three are. Rubicon and Atum started doing it at the same time, which makes them likely unaligned. In addition, I doubt everyone pushing me is town and Rubicon is the scummiest of the lot.
5. How am I hard town reading Unsight for something Grib pointed out?
6. I honestly have no idea what ika is talking about. I'll hunt down my most recent DLP games.

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I can if I'm a hypocrite.

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I'll consider going for the Jargonaut replacement (even though it's kind of a dick move). Is that good with you?

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Unsight: Are Rubicon and Atum inactive?

Basically more of the same. Post 240 is says all the active people are town and the Post 241,

mostly

, says the inactive people are scum. That's not scum hunting, that's covering your butt.

3. The picking at a minor wording arrangement was a way of discrediting my attack without directly engaging me. Simply put, it was a cop out.

Kettle meet pot.

Bzzt.

Three of the five people I attacked at the time were inactive, while the other two were active. Considering that a little over half the playerbase was active and active people are easier to clear by virtue of having more content, the proportion of active to inactive in my town reads was reasonable and you deliberately made it sound worse.

Atum: Nope, my reads haven't changed at all. Billy Joel was lovely.

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Unvote
Vote Hiplop

Be more subtle in avoiding talking about all of my reads that you agree with, won't you.

Why don't you explain why you think Citrus is town, why you think I'm scum (hint: the fact that I'm bringing over my experience in leading more than half of these people doesn't count as a good reason), and what you think of Stigmata?

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Mmm, your top three scumreads in order would also be nice.

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Why is that quote scummy?

And why are you agreeing with the reads that I stated first while crediting them to other people?

And what about Stigmata's post was scummy (or just weird, or whatever)?

And why is Grib scummy?

So many unanswered questions, so little time.

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I don't care that we have similar reads. I care that you are trying to make it look like you aren't agreeing with me. Why quote Rubicon's Towntris over mine?

And seriously, stagmanta?

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If I had a scummate, I'm sure it would be hiplop.

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No, they aren't. I read your posts and found them unsatisfactory and am now requesting additional information. You can either oblige my request or be useless and die. I don't have a particular preference between the two.

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Hiplop: Hard to have a scum driven wagon on scum.

Are you blind or otherwise incapable of answering my questions?

Citrus: That would require hiplop to be town, now wouldn't it? Convince me.

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:/ I'm not going to take time off solving the game to convince you I'm town. Explain your town read on hiplop.

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You understand I had a scumread on your slot before you replaced in, correct?

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Unsight, please stop being bad. I'm not going for a town leader angle. Among this group, I am a town leader. My reads are good because I know what I'm doing.

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hiplop I need you to be honest for a second.

Are you scum?

Unfortunately not my friend

if this isnt a scum-driven wagon I don't know what is ~_~

Post is town ^

No, the "my friend" was pretty fake.

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I'm am activity killer.

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Wait, who is DEF?

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Ah. Ok, moving on.

Citrus, come back to me and explain your town read, so I can break it.

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Ooh, five hour long burn.

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Please, just ignore ika.

Mist: You are actually wrong about mechanics, reads, everything. It's astonishing.

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We're not roleclaiming on Day 2. We'll figure it out if and when the priest thinks it is best to claim, and not a moment before.

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Citrus, I can't fucking convince you that this is a town v. town fight, because I don't think it is. What.

Stop being coy about something you know I'm not going to do and explain your town read on hiplop.

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Arrogant scum post I quoted, after clearly outlining a case of fake-town leading, condescension, having reads WAY before it was possible (why? because he knows whos town/scum. Common tell is scum making reads too early), trying to influence the people he knows via essentially bullying. Finally, the final nail in the coffin was his blatant strawman of my case. Rather than defend, he attacked me.

Oh my god, I'm so sick of this. I can develop reads in RVS. If you had bothered to check the previous witchhunt game, you'd see that I had 3/4ths of the scumteam pegged about 24 hours in. I do it because I can and it pushes the game forward.

The fact is that the case against me is entirely that people are allergic to accurate town reads and me solving the game.

You understand I had a scumread on your slot before you replaced in, correct?

With no explanation at all. Yeah, it doesn't count.

Oh really, now?

Jargonaut's argued against a townblock, apologized for being absent when he wasn't attacked for it, and gave himself a meta of weak scum play.

That's ok. I'm sure you just didn't read the post. Just like you didn't read or respond to this one:

Why is that quote scummy?

And why are you agreeing with the reads that I stated first while crediting them to other people?

And what about Stigmata's post was scummy (or just weird, or whatever)?

And why is Grib scummy?

So many unanswered questions, so little time.

Tick tock.

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The Gravedigger claim in pregame is always optimal, as it allows the GD to drop info as we go, and increases accountability. The method of the claim can also be very helpful in determining their alignment, as it was in this case. The gravedigger, if town, is unlikely to get shot, as scum tend to be more interested in holy hunting and get some use from the gravedigger role info.

You can read more about it here: http://www.fantasystrike.com/forums/ind ... hread.9213

Grib is town because he assumed there were four witches in the game when there are actually three. What part of that statement do you disagree with and why?

Ika is town because he's a terrible, apathetic scum player. You can confirm that if you get the time to meta him.

Lynching me is stupid, because I'm going to get shot later and become confirmed town and, even if I were scum, I have a history of bussing that you can use.

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Rubicon: What are your thoughts on a hiplop, Stigmata, x (maybe ABR?) scumteam?

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No Atum, you're still town.

And no way in hell.

Now help me lynch hiplop.

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Quote your response for me.

And no, deliberately giving yourself a bad scum meta is a nice scumtell. The entirety of Jargonaut's added up to a self-conscious player trying to stay out of the spotlight.

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Ika, why the fuck have you decided scumreading me in every game is a viable strategy? Realize I'm town, get out of my face, and hunt scum already.

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Ika, why the fuck have you decided scumreading me in every game is a viable strategy? Realize I'm town, get out of my face, and hunt scum already.

b/c i legitamently think you are scum? you havent given me a reason to think you are town yet

You do this every single game and then say

I'm

the one who has to get better. Come on.

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I want you to vote for hiplop with, because he's likely scum and he's linked to Stigmata. At the very least I'd like you to stop pushing me over nothing so I can focus on lynching scum. Are you going to help or not?

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Ika: Then help me push hiplop to answer the questions he's been ignoring for days.

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He townslipped, hiplop. Your buddy pointed it out already.

Are you hoping that if you don't address me I'll go away?

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Dear Diary,
Today I was wondering about your emotions when you were making post 149. Perhaps you could explain them to me.

I was extremely relieved because town-Grib gives me warm fuzzy feelings.

Speaking of Stigmata, I feel like the word "extremely" makes this a bit over the top. Thoughts?

Also, she's been gone for a while.

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Go look at the turn of events. I accidently quoted the same post again, thats what I was referring to. 2 posts in a row with same quote

I know what you were referring to. She asked you why she was scummy, then you quote her supposedly scummiest post and ask smugly if she read your previous post. Then she asks why is that post scummy and you claim to be confused why that post is related to anything. You could have given a straight answer to either question, but instead you act like you're exempt from her question (even though you never explained why that quote was scummy).

Ilu.

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I still don't think that this was the best move, but whatever. What's already claimed is claimed. I feel like outing a town power role before the game even starts is worse then having them post content later in the game, where they don't have a target on their back, and possibly get the chance of a Scum CC.

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People don't fakeclaim the gravedigger. The role isn't even guaranteed to be town.

[Grib is town because he assumed there were four witches in the game when there are actually three. What part of that statement do you disagree with and why?

I seem to remember someone mentioning that a lot of the players were common Withhunt players, and assumed a two things:
a) The witches stayed constant.
b) Claiming something about the game is so easy for a scum player to pull and has only two outcomes: Coming off as town for apparently slipping, or coming off as a Village Idiot for not reading the rules. Both of which are pretty safe as it doesn't leave a target on his back.

I feel this was just his way of trying to get himself a little towncred, and don't want to watch him slide by without it being noticed.

Ok, that's nice in a general sense, but have you looked at Grib's town slip in particular?

This is an attempt to throw WIFOM in the situation. "Don't lynch me because I could be an asset to town even if I was scum. If we have caught scum, I'm going to lynch them. And if you try bussing someone now, I frankly wouldn't believe it, as you seem to be repeating it quite a bit. As if trying to set up for it, and it's really frustrating me.

The point is that I'm a self resolving problem. You don't need to lynch me because scum generally prefer to shoot me over having me around for several Days. Now, look at all of the people (except ika, the derp) voting for me right now. What do they have in common?

Can you explain exactly why you believe hiplop to be town. (Hint: The wagon being scumdriven is a bad answer when I happen to know that it isn't.)

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@Fontisian

There's a limit to my tolerance for players using meta to clear themselves.

Are you going to consider my previous request yet?

Citrus, though you may have seen evidence to the contrary, I'm not actually a mind reader. I have know idea what you are asking of me and I don't understand why you can't answer a very simple question. Why is hiphop town?

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plus its a fucking open setup, town are just as likely to make that mistake as scum are.

like really either way its a fucking accident

You're getting irrationally angry over a clear, most likely because it hems your team in a just a little bit more.

And really, you think a scum could accidentally miscount their number of scummates? No. That was either a legitimate townslip or a deliberate fake one. I believe the former.

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Ika, I know Citrus is likely town. I also have no idea what he's asking from me and why he isn't trying to convince me to not lynch hiplop.

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Bzzt#

All of the people on my wagon (except ika) have never played with me before. Every player not on me (except Honeybee) knows me.

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Bzzt#

All of the people on my wagon (except ika) have never played with me before. Every player not on me (except Honeybee) knows me.

I don't know what the point of this is supposed to be.

People who know you know what your scum/town meta is => You use that to your advantage as scum => WIFOM

That makes no sense.

hiplop: Why would you softclaim two roles?

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[quote="In post 623, hiplopHoney, I don't think arrogance nor the strategy have ANYTHING to do with font's alignment. I think hes an arrogant tool, but also scum. I've outlined FAR better reasons than what you've indicated so please look back.[/quote]
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No you haven't?

You've said that I'm arrogant and implied that arrogance = scum. That's been your entire case.

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Seriously, let me iso it:

Fontisan is giving me bad feelings in this part, but other than that basically everyone is just joking around or whatever. Fontisan is trying to act like the town leader in my eyes, but it just seems in credibly artificial. He's different than holder because he is trying to control the town rather than contribute. To me this screams as scum.

Font is trying to lead the town and is therefore scum.

I'll break this game if and when I feel like it.

Right now, Rubicon's imitating his scum play and I want him to die. Whee.

This is the nail in her coffin for me.

Font's post is bad. I can't explain how it's bad but it is. Scum.

just more convinced youre scum now. Really bad attempt at defense.

Font's defense is bad. I can't explain how it's bad but it is. Scum.

if this isnt a scum-driven wagon I don't know what is ~_~

I might be being generous by including this one. Anyway:
Font's wagon is bad. I can't explain how it's bad but it is. Scum.

albert please dont be lazy. Font is scum, vote her silly man!

and thanks Citrus!

Font is scum.

What do you think of Jarg hiplop?

well i am jarg's replacement...

Citrus, is font usually this snarky?

Font is snarky scum.

I could go for switching to ABR. My biggest bad habit is tunnel vision. ABR has done literally nothing as far as i can tell. Jumped on an easy wagon withme (that had no explanation, either from him or others)

The thing is though, the OMGUS super-read that font developed on me just screams paranoid scum.

The first sign of something! Font's read on me is OMGUS and too strong.

Except my scum read on his slot was from before he was even in the game, let alone voting me. The too strong stuff goes back to the point that "arrogance = scum."

[quote="In post 526, hiplop]Arrogant scum post I quoted, after clearly outlining a case of fake-town leading, condescension, having reads WAY before it was possible (why? because he knows whos town/scum. Common tell is scum making reads too early), trying to influence the people he knows via essentially bullying. Finally, the final nail in the coffin was his blatant strawman of my case. Rather than defend, he attacked me.[/quote]
Font's town leading is fake. I can't explain how it is, but it is. Font's condescension is scummy and not the inevitable result of dealing with someone who can't construct a case. Font knows people and references her history with them. This is indicative of scum. Font has early reads (and this is scummy even though she has shown a town meta of early reads and those reads have adjusted as the game has gone on). Font strawmanned a case (that didn't exist).

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Unsight, please stop being bad. I'm not going for a town leader angle. Among this group, I am a town leader. My reads are good because I know what I'm doing.

No, you are needlessly arrogant and scum.[/quote]
Font is arrogant and scum.

[quote="In post 526, hiplop]And no. Fontisan is just scum. Hes the one who has been outrageously defensive

Welcome, Mist. I am glad that you saw what I saw, lol. Means I'm not crazy

and there's font to be a complete arrogant twat to her for no reason. On the 1% chance you aren't scum, I'd want you dead anyway because all you do is OMGUS. Everyone you think is scum/bad, is suspicious of you. I'm not sure if you're homeland is different, but thats a super-beginner scum tell.2

burn this bitch.[/quote]
Font is outrageous defensive. I can't show how she's defensive, but she is. She's also arrogant, and this makes her scum. Blah, blah, emotional insults, blah.

Atum/Font/Grib scum team, gg? Maybe just maybe. They are all constantly defending eachother in a way that just screams inexperienced scum (who think they are incredible)

Can we just lynch font? We know he's scum, hes caught, lets kill him.

@Font I replied to that post (to the parts that matter, the rest of it was mentioned already)

Font is obvious scum. I can't show how she's scum, but she is. And Grib and Atum are scum for defending her.

So it boils down to me being arrogant, faking town reads and leading (but you've never showed how those things are fake, which is especially weird after your first post agreed with many of my reads), OMGUS (which I've proven to be false), and strawmanning a case that wasn't even made. What.

[fontisian]

If hiplop false claims priest, the real priest needs to pretend they don't know he's lying and let the real acolyte counterclaim. Do not give yourself away.

Ika: Would you stop being an ass and try to lynch scum for once? Why do you even want to lynch me?

[fontisian]

...

I don't want to guide the angels. I want to lynch scum fast enough that the angels aren't even necessary. I can't do that if I'm dead.

[fontisian]

Delphine, I love you, but you're a self conscious mess.

[fontisian]

^Things I wish you hadn't done after hiplop softclaimed holy.

And only partial credit on the sauntering you thing. I also decided that the word "extremely" when describing your feelings about Grib's townslip was over the top.

[fontisian]

Like, there's these arbitrary fontisian vs hiplop camps here but I want someone to tell me why hiplop's scummier than mist. Cuz their content is like scarily alike

What are the odds that they're scum together and sheeping each other like mad?

Unlikely, unless they intend to shoot the GD.

[fontisian]

That's ... muh.

Like, I don't want to pry but it's also a big reason I'm scumreading you.

[fontisian]

Eh, do what you've got to do.

[fontisian]

Yep.

[fontisian]

I'm on a vacation in San Francisco, but vla is for wimps.

Citrus: Give me a bloody reason next time.

[fontisian]

Oh, please tell me you're not doing what I think you're doing.

It is your responsibility. Make shit up if you have to. You failed it.

[fontisian]

Don't blame me for your own idiocy.

Now, last chance: tell me

why

hiplop is town.

[fontisian]

Stigmata: Citrus is blaming because he can't face the fact that he did something moronic and is now dealing with the consequences. He's also can't seem to accept that I'm not a ducking min reader and I had no bloody clue what he wanted until he spelled it out a moment ago.

I want to break something.

[fontisian]

People please don't engage fontisian, just change the subject. Let her scum claim if she wants

You fucking gave me nothing. I told you exactly what you had to do and you did nothing! Get off your high horse.

[fontisian]

Like, I get you were busy with the other game, but how fucking hard would ihad err been to give me a reason?

[fontisian]

Grib, have you gone blind? You should have told me! I would have been there for you.

Citrus: No, he's talking about mist's sleeping of hiplop.

[fontisian]

Sheeping. Phone posting, man.

[fontisian]

Honestly, Citrus, examine my actions and tell mr if they make any sense from the pov of scum who knew what you were talking about.

[fontisian]

Since scum has almost certainly figured it out, here's the deal.

I am the priest. Citrus is my acolyte and wants me to clear hiplop, instead of lynching him because he thinks hiplrearop is likely town. Now he's being an anti town ass about his failed winking and forcing me to claim.

Now that I get what Citrus was trying to point out about hiplop (which I'm not sharing), we are not lynching him today.

Instead, I would like to lynch Mist, for the way he's been sheeping hiplop, or ZZZX.

Unvote
Vote Mist

Tl:Dr
I'm the priest, Citrus is going to back me up and let me get shot tonight, and we need to go back to hunting scum.

[fontisian]

"Font's wagon" referred to the wagon I was leading (aka the wagon on you). Any other issues?

Can you make a compelling case for town!mist?

[fontisian]

Rubicon: Stop making me regret claiming. Thanks.

ZZZX: I only understood about half of your last post. Can you elaborate?

[fontisian]

I hate your post 689 and am considering lynching you over it.

[fontisian]

Ok
1. I was not told Citrus is my acolyte. I figured it out after his blatantly obvious winking.
2. Citrus is going to back me up when he gets online, because I am the priest.
3. I'm going to get shot toNight anyway, because again, I am the priest.
4. Go vote for scum.

[fontisian]

What the fuck.

I am

NOT

Acolyte to Fontisian Priest. She has a genius plan that just requires me to sheep her 'priest' claim D1 because [redacted], but I just figured out there's a deeper layer to what she's doing.

Please do NOT let her role fish you everyone.

More emphasis: VOTE: Fontisian

You fucking idiot.

Of course I'm not the fucking priest. Should have known better than to cover for your fucking idiocy.

[fontisian]

fontisian, do you know my role yet?

No.

I know that hiplop claimed priest or acolyte and then Citrus defended him out of nowhere and flipped out at me for pushing him. Q.E. fucking D.

[fontisian]

[6] fontisian: ika, hiplop, Mist7676, MadCitrus, Albert B. Rampage, Unsight
[2] hiplop: Grib, Honey bee
[1] Unsight: Atum
[1] ZZZX: Stigmata
[1] Mist: fontisian

(I think.)

something like that iirc

if for some reason we dont get enough votes (but i doubt that) im going to judge font.

Judge me, I fucking dare you.

[fontisian]

You know, you very nearly got me there Fontisian. Like already-typing-a-post got me.

Why the fuck couldn't you trust me for the one bloody day it would have taken me to get shot.

One bloody day!

Have I ever led you wrong before? Have my gambits ever backfired on you? No. Than why could you trust me to know what I'm doing?

[fontisian]

"Oh font is trying to cover my ass and make up for my mistakes. Why don't I ruin it and get her lynched!"

What kind of paranoid, confirm biasing, anti town, asshat would you have to be to do this?

[fontisian]

If it's me vs font, I can confirm myself as town. If thats the case, lets burn this guy please.

Really, I have to quote it?

Everyone in this game is capable of basic reading comprehension, thanks. Rubicon obvious got it and couldn't keep his stupid mouth shut.

[fontisian]

Citrus: I literally quoted the fake priest claim done by a townie on another site that we just finished playing on. Literally quoted! Did you miss that? Did you think I was trying to trick you? For what!

Hiplop: What the fuck? Confirming a role for any role other than Priest and Acolyte increases your chances of being scum. I could try to confirm my actual role too, but you don't see me doing it because it makes no difference to my alignment.

You claimed to be confirmed town. There are only two confirmably town roles. If your going to attack me over idiocy, at least try to make sense when you're doing it.

Rubicon: Why would hiplop the priest counterclaim us both when Citrus is obviously his acolyte?

[fontisian]

Citrus, I am never going to forgive you for this.

You told me he was your priest to my fucking face. I trusted you and acted to salvage the situation. I'm done. Fuck you.

[fontisian]

Honey bee: Here's a quick summation: Citrus defended hiplop without giving me the slightest reason why and kept asking me to do something that I didn't understand, and told him I didn't understand.Then hiplop claimed holy, I realized that Citrus knew hiplop is holy (and is most likely his acolyte) and somehow expected me to realize this earlier/back off. Citrus and I yell at each other for a bit. I then fake claimed priest to save hiplop's idiot ass and ask Citrus to back me up (calling Citrus the acolyte and referring to old games to make the fact that I'm faking to save hiplop clear to him). Citrus then assumes I'm trying to trick him somehow, and goes on a sanctimonious rant about how this was all a test.

Everyone else then assumes I was trying to out the already outed priest, and decides I must be scum (because logic, how does it work?). Oh, and our priest is a moron with an inflated opinion of his knowledge of the game.

Idiocy aside, the scum team is among Mist, ZZZX, Stigmata and ABR, with an outside chance of Rubicon. Make sure you test hiplop's priest claim down the line and lynch him if he claims anything other than holy. Everyone else is town. I sincerely hope you all ignore my reads and go for a loss.

[fontisian]

Hiplop's the preist. Citrus is displaying town paranoia. Grib is engaged in a townie manner and townslipped, Unsight had paranoia about a scum apprentice stealing his abilities. Honey bee isn't interested in town cred for himself. Atum is actively engaged instead of doing the newbie lurk. Ika is getting insulted whenever I tell him to scumhunt instead of getting defensive.

Off the remainder, you have done some townie things that could come from scum you, and you had paranoia about something that says possible town. ABR's uselessly null. ZZZX is less useless, but I can't follow his thought process. He also didn't own his town read of you, was overly interested in honey bee's opinion of him, and joined my wagon for a shitty side reason in order to make his vote look less bandwagony. Stigmata's claimed reaction ("extremely relieved") to Grib's townslip was faked, she's self conscious, and she refused to pick sides in a town v. town fight. Mist is trying to suck up to hiplop and was overly gleeful about my fakeclaim.

[fontisian]

Ika: Wow. You just missed the point entirely.

I've been telling you to scumhunt in order to gauge your reaction and be sure of your alignment. You've given me no reason to have any faith in your scumhunting skills in the past, so why would I start now?

Mist: Obvious scum is obvious.

[fontisian]

If you don't want me to tell people to ignore your plans, then don't come up with terrible ones in games where half the people probably don't know any better.

[fontisian]

No, a massclaim Day 2 is pretty much just objectively terrible to the point where it shouldn't even be a part of the discussion.

[fontisian]

No, you guys played the suboptimally.

Massclaims should have three purposes: outing scum, behaviorally clearing people as town, protecting the power roles. The only roleclaim that should have come after blab's priest claim was Luckylee's BOD claim. Luckylee should have then been lynched.

The reason WH4 went very well is because blab, Kai and I ensured that Citrus and Rubicon were taken down early on and the Angels successfully blocked enough kills that scum could only win if you guys started lynching townfirms (which, to be fair, you almost did anyway).

[fontisian]

Atum: My weakest town reads are Honey bee and Rubicon.

I'm very certain of the Unsight, Citrus, ika, Grib, you cluster.

I actually feel slightly better about ABR for reasons, and would go after Stigmata, Mist and ZZZX in that order.

[fontisian]

@fontisian, I could go for a Stigmata wagon. But I don't think it's possible to lynch any of those names today. Plus, you fake-claimed Priest. If we leave you alive I just know this will be like WitchHunt 3, and years later you'll be telling people about the time you fake-claimed Priest on D1 and got away with it.

You understand that fear of looking stupid down the line is a terrible reason to lynch anyone, right?

I'd go for a Stigmata wagon with you. What are you actual reads?

ika: Your reads make no sense. Either you think you're scum or you have me as likely town (and why would you be trying to lynch me if that was the case?).

[fontisian]

Since when do you policy lynch?

[fontisian]

But that's not what happened, and you know it.

Reads, are you going to share them?

[fontisian]

Uh no. What happened was the actual priest claimed and I attempted to cover with the obvious acolyte. There was no danger because the holies were already outed. Or were you sleeping through that?

[fontisian]

Hiplop, you're either holy or scum. Everyone knows this. Denying it for the sake of appearances is meaningless.

If you didn't want to be outed as holy, you shouldn't have claimed holy.

[fontisian]

Atum, hiplop's an un cc'd holy and Unsight is town. Pick some other targets.

[fontisian]

Atum: Unsight will be reporting my towniness soon anyway, so maybe you'll consider my reads then.

Why do you think I'm scum again? Leading too well? This game has been an exercise in idiocy.

Honey bee: I want to lynch Mist, Stigmata and ZZZX in that order. If hiplop is counterclaimed by the acolyte, I would lynch him.

[fontisian]

...I think Unsight is scum as well fontisian. You're really off your game. And you know good and well that you doing well is an equally good indicator of either Town or Scum for you. Stop with the melodrama.

I'm not the one with scum reads on likely town.

[fontisian]

I approve of ZZZX receiving the bomb.

Honey bee: It's possible, though very unlikely.

[fontisian]

but i will entiertain you with the same format


Rubicon

Albert B. Rampage
ZZZX
Unsight

Honey bee
Mist7676 (replaces Holder of the Heel)
Grib

Atum
fontisian
Stigmata

ika
hiplop (replaces Jargonaut)
MadCitrus

done

Spoiler: Votecounter Settings and Living Players

Living Players

Rubicon
Albert B. Rampage
ZZZX
Unsight
Honey bee
Mist7676 (replaces Holder of the Heel)
Grib
Atum
fontisian
Stigmata
ika
hiplop (replaces Jargonaut)
MadCitrus

WAIT A MINUTE

Ahahaha, you just figured that out?

[fontisian]

(err I had some part about certainty about hiplop holiness that I couldn't state coherently and app only removed halfway)

ika, I get that you think killing fonti and ending the day soon is protown regardless of flip. I read citrus's argument and I'm maybe missing something but I don't get why she'd (as scum) be that messy and expect it to work.

cutting out the quote let me put it in most simpile terms:

Font claims prist with cirtus!alcodite
Cirtus!alcodite confirmed but not preist!font

WH3: font did same thing, and guess what, SHE WAS A SCUM.

we also have 3 fucking days left and i dont see anythign new coming up so now:

EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IT IS TOWN!FONT TO DO SOME SHIT OF THAT FUCKING SORT?

pedit: IGNORE IT AND GO WITH FIRST ONE OF BOMBING GRIB JESUS FUCKIGN CRIST

Have you even read WH3?

For those wondering, I was the last member of a scumteam with the DOB around (and having me as his top scumread) and the assassin around (at the time, the role was able to kill by matching roles to the people upon death. My role was outed.) It was an impossible situation to win in, so I shot the DOB, knowing that if the kill went through and he didn't have any last minute doubts, I would die. The angels then protected the DOB, and I was able to argue the next Day that scum tried for a double kill on the DOB and myself, thus "town firming" myself. Then I coasted past a buttload of mislynched to endgame.

[fontisian]

Rubicon's fear is that if I'm crazy enough to shoot myself, I'm crazy enough to claim priest and argue that I'm protecting the priest as scum for town cred. The counter argument is that of course I wouldn't do that because it's way to risky and I'm perfectly capable of talking my way out of a lynch on Day 1 sans gambits.

[fontisian]

Could you rephrase that in English?

[fontisian]

It's more like I'm sick of dealing with the majority of people here, actually.

I've given my reads. Take them for what they are. Or lose. Whatever.

[fontisian]

The world where you dont lynch him.

Citrus: Why the fuck did you lock yourself into a holy claim? This is the third time in a row that you claimed something stupid and got lynched for your trouble.

[fontisian]

So I just read through the angel chat and granted I was drunk or half asleep for like all of not-Day 1, but was I really supposed to know that Citrus was holy or scum? I thought he could've just been playing along with ika's weird theory and trying to eat NKs?? Prob gave him too much credit by sheeping other ppl w ~meta~'s townreads on him and bc me dicking around not claiming made me not be able to publicly consider him scummy??

If he was anything other than scum or holy, he would have gone along with my Priest claim (or at least said "I am the acolyte and fontisian is not the priest) as it would caused scum to waste a night kill on him. Fighting it was a holy claim.

[fontisian]

If he was town, he legitimately thought you were scum trying to get hiplop killed though? Sorry if I'm annoying you, just trying to learn.

I didn't make a push to lynch hiplop, and Citrus and I had a long conversation beforehand where Citrus claimed Acolyte to hiplop's priest.