Mini 1597: Runecast Mafia - Day 5

[Thor665]

Ger's flip supports the idea that was a lie on his part as far as the 1-shot aspect goes.

[d3x]

geraintm, Town One Shot Strong-Willed Vigilante/Day 1 Vengeful, Killed Night 2

The Mod isn't lying by saying he's a 1shit, though.

[d3x]

lmao... /1shot...

[Konowa]

It literally says one-shot in the op, Thor.

geraintm,

Town One Shot

Strong-Willed Vigilante/Day 1 Vengeful, Killed Night 2

[Thor665]

I was recalling that wrong - who the heck was I arguing with about that yesterday? Someone said something that didn't make sense with the flip.

[Thor665]

Is Thor665 equating strong-willed to that of a strongman role? Is that why Thor665 says Night actions are screwy?

I'm equating strong willed to strong willed - you're the one talking redirecting right now.
I know what he said - now look at what he flipped;

geraintm,

Town One Shot Strong-Willed Vigilante/Day 1 Vengeful

, Killed Night 2

That doesn't look like a 'Night 3 Strong Willed' to me.
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest he lied about that.

Now, with that as an idea - what do you think about the night actions?
Also, if you want to argue I'm wrong, please use the evidence we have when making the case.

Okay, it was Konowa, but that was an argument for 'Night 3 Strong Willed'
I still think that's crazy talk.

[Thor665]

But the point of the information still holds.
With two flips today - either Ansuz is lying, or Osseus is scum.
Does anyone see any other potential holes there?

I will agree that I support the idea that Osseus is scum, as I was saying that yesterday - that said, I see no drastic reason to rush and still want to hear from Lynx.

[Thor665]

@Mod - Theory question. In this game, if an Ascetic is targeted by a Strong Willed modifier power - does the power effect the Ascetic or no?

I presume this is a safe question to ask since the game has confirmed the existence of both of those roles, and I just wish to know what your ruling would have been if it had happened.

[Thor665]

I mean, I know the kill thing - I'm just curious if it was considered on a non-kill power.

[d3x]

Ofc we should hear from Lynx. But unless there's some crazyballs damning info there, OP swings. I still don't see how OP being Scum means 2 nonTown killing roles, though. Or is that now cleared up?

[fferyllt]

@Mod - Theory question. In this game, if an Ascetic is targeted by a Strong Willed modifier power - does the power effect the Ascetic or no?

I presume this is a safe question to ask since the game has confirmed the existence of both of those roles, and I just wish to know what your ruling would have been if it had happened.

in theory, in this game, strong-willed non - kill would not affect ascetic.

[Osseus pseudotripodis]

My theory on Ger is that either he A) didn't take his shot because he was waiting for night 3 or B) Ansuz fake-claimed Ger's shot.

My theory for last night is A) Kthx hid behind TM or B) Kthx hid behind another player who is actually scum. Terrible play on his part, but it is what it is.

[Thor665]

Ansuz claimed the Ger kill, which means he would have had to fakeclaim the scum shot in that situation, which means Ger shot a stated townread of his.

[Osseus pseudotripodis]

But basically the above theories require that both players try to play WIFOM by doing something different and fuck up. Let this game be a lesson to everyone. Don't say you're going to do one thing and then do another when it will have negative effects on the gamestate....

Yeah that's what I mean, Ansuz would have fakeclaimed the scumkill as his Vig shot in that theory. In a game this size with the killing roles we have seen I do not envision multiple factions.

[Osseus pseudotripodis]

@OP- Please answer my question from Yesterday.

@OP- Why do you think you're still alive?

Is it your contention that HS/Josh had not a single Vote on Town for the entire game? Also that AnsuzScum would be pushing a counterWagon on his PR Scum partner over his Vanilla Scum partner D2?

my reads are my reads.

I have, as a goon, bussed PR scum. it's not out of the question to me.

To kind of piggy back this....THIS HYDRA has bussed the fuck out of that aforementioned slot, which by the way part of Ansuz was on the receiving end of that buss. So don't disregard this theory just cause you don't like it.

[Osseus pseudotripodis]

Gonna triple post again ftw!

The reason we laid into Lynx on Day 2 for coming up with bad explainations of the no-kill was because at that point we thought WE stopped the kill by protecting Kthx (before his hider reveal).

So yes take your gift wrapped mislynch, but no don't ignore us for a quick lynch cause baby we're flipping town.

[Thor665]

Ockham's I'm afraid, twice over really.

I'd like to see Ansuz offer anything and Lynx offer results, then I'm game for a lynch.

[d3x]

I'd like to see Ansuz offer anything and Lynx offer results, then I'm game for a lynch.

This.

[Osseus pseudotripodis]

Well no, wasn't directed at you. You've been great.

To me the most likely scenario from last night was that Kthx claimed to hide behind us, so that we could draw the NK, and then he would hide behind someone else, and have two confirmed town the following day. Or if who he hid behind was scum, we'd be dead as well, and you'd guys would be able to deduce who his actual target was the following day. My guess is probably Lynx because he went back and forth on us and him. I wouldn't take it as gospel, but obviously it'll be something to consider for ya'll on Day 5.

Don't get me wrong, we need to be lynched. But we also need to be lynched with as much fanfare as possible. The players who will be under the most scrutiny tomorrow are the ones absent right now. That could be coincidence, or them hoping we'd have been quicklynched no questions asked. I don't know. I get the luxury of finding out in the dead thread though

[d3x]

Although, if Lynx's results come back how I think there's going to come back, I don't care if Ansuz checks in or not.

[Osseus pseudotripodis]

Ockham's I'm afraid, twice over really.

I'd like to see Ansuz offer anything and Lynx offer results, then I'm game for a lynch.

totally, dude. I'm completely in agreement with lynching us today given the information we have. I'm not trying to talk you out of it.

but just fyi we're flipping town doctor, so I just want you to be ready to rethink your analysis.

Pedit: lulz pre-empted by TBone

[Thor665]

Although, if Lynx's results come back how I think there's going to come back, I don't care if Ansuz checks in or not.

If I can get a verified vig on him I'd be pretty happy, yeah. He's playing way blow par for his heads and it is bothersome.

[d3x]

I agree. He's made a fair amount of noise in the QT about being overrun at work and Desp just being checked out. He hasn't posted there since 9/7, but I think I miffed him a bit when I said he needed to die if geri didn't go toes up N2.

[Ansuz]

Bodyguard + Hider + Doctor seems like too many opportunities for scum missed kills, even with two one-shot vigs.
N2 doesn't really make sense unless geraintm shot bulletproof OP: I see no reason for him to lie about his shot and shoot his strongest scumread.
d3x not dying doesn't really make sense unless A) d3x is scum (doesn't make sense with flipped aesthetic), or B) scum was leaving him alive to prep for a fakeclaim.
OP posting things like this:

@Kthx, I'll be confirmed town when Ger anti-town kills me, yes.

Doesn't really make sense if he was a doctor: why not just claim instead of accept death?

[LynxKuroneko]

Sorry for the delay. My investigation on Ansuz returned "killing ability". So either he was honest or is a Serial Killer.

Did Kthxbye state that he would die if he hid behind scum? If so we can assume OP is scum and tunnel was the night kill.