Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

[Metal Sonic]

Scripten, can you please change your avatar? Thanks.

I suppose I could. What needs changed about it?

It looks like a bad demon thing. Ew

[Scripten]

Scripten, can you please change your avatar? Thanks.

I suppose I could. What needs changed about it?

It looks like a bad demon thing. Ew

What's wrong with that? I happen to rather like my Hell Knight avatar.

[Malakittens]

You do that. Use your great scum-hunting tool that is meta to determine my alignment. I look forward to this.

I was waiting for you to pull out the 'But I'm really bad at D1 card'. Good job.

Why the hell are you being so douchey-baggy. It's like its your mission to go ahead and discredit anything I said. I am likely not going to use meta to sort you, but I'm just saying that you are going into the same mindset that you did in the newbie, flat out. It still doesn't make sense from either alignment for you to do this. I'm trying to follow what you are thinking in your head and it's just not working.

P.S. I never said that. I'm just saying that I rely on gut for Day 1. I don't see how I said I'm really bad at Day 1 by saying I'm relying on gut/past meta-experience for reads. You are just trying to twist something to your adv and I don't like it.

[Malakittens]

Is this typical of BBT to fake convictions? To you who know him, my case may be weak if this is something typical of him. If on just a general player, I think faking a conviction is a scum-tell. I'm at the point where I don't know whether to continue pushing this or to focus attention elsewhere. He's been seeming more towny lately. I know an aggressive stance early game is something I've done as scum at least once. So from personal experience, I'm inclined to believe his early play is scum generated. His later play is much better.

BBT takes this stance whether or not he's scum. I'm pretty sure he does it to try and intentionally affect his meta, but it may just be a playstyle choice. Either way, it is unfortunately a rather confusing playstyle. I've not seen him policy/mislynched for it in any game I've played so far, though.

This^

[Malakittens]

Annoying you makes him scum?

For him it might. When I was scum partners with him he walked the thin line of my patience. I ended up blowing up his hydra partner in thread with my engaging which then got me frustrated. So yes him being annoying could potentially be a scum tell for him. I don't know for sure.

When was this?

Xeno. When you were in a hydra with Varsoon.

[Metal Sonic]

Wow that was a looong time ago.



Recent examples are more of xmen and marvel avengers

[Metal Sonic]

"Why the hell are you being so douchey-baggy."

Best.

[Malakittens]

Wow that was a looong time ago.



Recent examples are more of xmen and marvel avengers

Yeah, but I'm saying scum you and that's the only game we ever shared an alignment, give or take. Also I forgot about marvel entirely and you were town there and so was I, but I replaced in and I think you were basically conf-town by then.

[Malakittens]

It's mainly explained in 282. Add to that his reads list, together with the fact that he can't back up some of his comments, means that Zeb may well be scum. I'm also looking at BBT and NPAU but I don't think they are scum together.

Why can't this just be like a newer player who just can't express themselves properly?

I'm just liking him for town gut wise. It's the little things on how he's posting that gives me new-town vibes rather than scum vibes.

[Malakittens]

The one thing solid I can say about GM that I do not like is her over-defensiveness with Sonic. Although our last completed game together she wasn't so defensive, but then I just checked a completed scum game too and she wasn't there either. Other than that it's really the only thing about GM I am not liking as of right now, but my ability to be able to read her properly has gone into a shithole because we haven't played together in so long ;;

[beastcharizard]

Vote Count

Goodmorning: ucitron00, Metal Sonic, nopointinactingup
Zebulin: Huntress
hephaestus: Malakittens
Peabody: Shinobi, Josh_B
Metal Sonic: Zebulin, Goodmorning
BlueBloodedToffee: Peabody
nopointinactingup: Scripten
ucitron00: Hephaestus
Malakittens: BlueBloodedToffee



Deadline: (expired on 2014-10-04 20:45:00)

Everytime I see the word best I read it as beast.

[Malakittens]

Scripten, can you please change your avatar? Thanks.

I suppose I could. What needs changed about it?

It looks like a bad demon thing. Ew

What's wrong with that? I happen to rather like my Hell Knight avatar.

To be fair the only problem that I dislike about Sonic asking people about avatars and changing them is that I feel like he's reading too much into the avatar. I think he's trying to say that he might find your avatar scary which is giving him scum vibes. I might be reading too much into this.

Also I think the whole argument of you have a scary avatar so you are scum is stupid, imo.

Avatar mid-game changes are kinda cruel plus it also causes confusion.

[Josh_B]

Is that typical of him to be over-the-top convicted of a read?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=58856

For reference.

[Scripten]

Is that typical of him to be over-the-top convicted of a read?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=58856

For reference.

To add to this, he was a cop, so his hard claims didn't stick after his death. So while it's all well and good to call out the behavior, I don't think it's a scumtell.

[nopointinactingup]

And I think there were more ppl voting goodmorning

True dat.

How is MS's (mistaken) comment to the mod relevant here?

It's not. But it's relevant in that I think more people should vote GM.

Define soft defend. Why would scum more likely to soft defend each other and not just outright defend or outright distance each other?

Might do a short meta checkup, but that's ringing scum to me.

How can I respond to this if you don't provide explanations lol. I've seen and done both of the above as scum before. Btw, this is the first game I've played since a year ago so meta might not really apply. Check if you like.

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BBT is looking townish again T.T. Now that I look at it, Mala has yet to make a serious vote. AT this stage of the game, that's VERY scummy.

UNVOTE: GM
VOTE: Mala

nopointactingup

- Getting a scummy vibe from NPAU all game. I don't really like he feels all over the place. Also, a little active lurky. Feels like he hops in, makes a short push, and hops out for a bit. Once I ISO him, I can make a better informed read on him. For now, moderate scum lean.

I have to admit I thought I could do more with my votes for this game than I did. But there's just so much distraction and potshots at me that I couldn't read properly. My only true scum read atm would be GM and Mala if you're wondering

[Zebulin]

Requesting Replacement

I could go on and on about why, but I just don't have time for 2 games and I'm totally outmatched in skill in this one. It helps town if I replace.
I'll keep on playing until a replacement is found, don't worry.

Reads:

Very Town: Shinobi, JoshB
Town: Scripten, Peabody, JoshB
Null/Lurk: Everyone Else, JoshB
Scum: Metal Sonic, Malakittens, JoshB
Very Scum: JoshB


One question before I leave; What the heck is with Uncle Sonic? Is it a strategy, scumhunting tool or just trolling?

[Shinobi]

I'm sure I'll start paying attention to this game eventually.

Sorry to see you go Zeb.

[Shinobi]

Also, I'm going to guess that Uncle Sonic is town, albeit a weird persona.

[Josh_B]

NPAU do you think people are making pot shots at you because you have 8 posts and 5 of them contain vote changes?
That's if you count your "confirm" post. Nearly all of your posts have had a vote change.
Goodmorning
BBT
Huntress
Goodmorning again
and Now
Mala

On top of that, they are nearly all without player engagement.
I'm still not sure what the Huntress vote was for. Can you explain?

[Josh_B]

Requesting Replacement

I could go on and on about why, but I just don't have time for 2 games and I'm totally outmatched in skill in this one. It helps town if I replace.
I'll keep on playing until a replacement is found, don't worry.

Reads:

Very Town: Shinobi, JoshB
Town: Scripten, Peabody, JoshB
Null/Lurk: Everyone Else, JoshB
Scum: Metal Sonic, Malakittens, JoshB
Very Scum: JoshB


One question before I leave; What the heck is with Uncle Sonic? Is it a strategy, scumhunting tool or just trolling?

I'm on every list. Why do you think it will help us if you replace out?

[Josh_B]

MS, Why are you being such an Avatar Hater?

[beastcharizard]

Requesting Replacement

I could go on and on about why, but I just don't have time for 2 games and I'm totally outmatched in skill in this one. It helps town if I replace.
I'll keep on playing until a replacement is found, don't worry.

Reads:

Very Town: Shinobi, JoshB
Town: Scripten, Peabody, JoshB
Null/Lurk: Everyone Else, JoshB
Scum: Metal Sonic, Malakittens, JoshB
Very Scum: JoshB


One question before I leave; What the heck is with Uncle Sonic? Is it a strategy, scumhunting tool or just trolling?

If you are replacing out then you should no longer post in the thread after this post. I appreciate the thought of posting until a replacement is found but I don't want overlap.

[beastcharizard]

Searching for a replacement for Zebulin.

Gosh you people stink. I should change the name of the thread to Making friends and Replacements.

[nopointinactingup]

NPAU do you think people are making pot shots at you because you have 8 posts and 5 of them contain vote changes?
That's if you count your "confirm" post. Nearly all of your posts have had a vote change.
Goodmorning
BBT
Huntress
Goodmorning again
and Now
Mala

On top of that, they are nearly all without player engagement.
I'm still not sure what the Huntress vote was for. Can you explain?

I don't see a problem with vote changes, especially in the beginning of the game, when you are trying to figure out who is scum among the many.
My vote on Huntress was a gut thing. I felt like she was mainly cruising through the game being neutral. She had no vote so I voted her to see how she would respond. She didn't really respond but I was back at arguing with BBT before I could follow up on it

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why the hell are you being so douchey-baggy. It's like its your mission to go ahead and discredit anything I said. I am likely not going to use meta to sort you, but I'm just saying that you are going into the same mindset that you did in the newbie, flat out. It still doesn't make sense from either alignment for you to do this. I'm trying to follow what you are thinking in your head and it's just not working.

P.S. I never said that. I'm just saying that I rely on gut for Day 1. I don't see how I said I'm really bad at Day 1 by saying I'm relying on gut/past meta-experience for reads. You are just trying to twist something to your adv and I don't like it.

Holy shit, how are you going to determine my alignment if not with meta?

I told you what I was thinking.

I questioned you. I was seriously dissatisfied with your answers. I voted you.

What part don't you follow?

Also, I hate it when one of my other scum-reads joins my wagon.