Mini 1604 -- Zodiac Mafia (Game Over)

Xayzeck · Post Post #625 (ISO) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:27 pm

(really quick prod dodge i dont know why gemini died and nacho didn't)

Iecerint · Post Post #626 (ISO) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:29 pm

Gemini being killed was so dumb that I am inclined to believe that a kill was blocked and Gemini died by some other mechanism.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #627 (ISO) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:42 pm

In post 626, Iecerint wrote:Gemini being killed was so dumb that I am inclined to believe that a kill was blocked and Gemini died by some other mechanism.

That would explain my thinking, but the evidence of a night vig is flimsy, which is why I'd rather not dwell on it. I don't think Gemini Blind was SK'd.

RedCoyote · Post Post #628 (ISO) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:10 pm

Prodding Pere

Vote Count 2 - 1

PeregrineV (2) ( Iecerint - Nachomamma8)
Aronis (2) ( Dry-fit - StrangerCoug)

Dry-fit (1) ( CrashTextDummie)

Not Voting (4) ( PeregrineV - Xayzeck - Aronis - ToastyToast -
StrangerCoug
-
Dry-fit
-
CrashTextDummie
-
Nachomamma8
-
Iecerint
)

With nine alive, it takes five to lynch.
Current Deadline:

(expired on 2014-09-28 15:10:00)

PeregrineV · Post Post #629 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:23 am

Monday- back!

And prod!

PeregrineV · Post Post #630 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:23 am

Without reading back, I tend to agree with Dry-fit's 602, at least about Toasty and myself. Looking over Aronis, he does look like a lot of back and forth on Sal, but want to read Sal's iso for more info first.

In post 613, Iecerint wrote:He would have just shot PV.

Except I'm easier to mislynch than Elyse, apparently. But, I think the Elyse shot doesn't make much sense either. If I had it as scum, I'd shoot the towniest person and just claim they were too town to be town.

Iecerint · Post Post #631 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:54 am

If they wanted to mislynch you, why would they shoot Elyse and kill Gemini -- both of whom were on your wagon yesterday?

PeregrineV · Post Post #632 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:24 am

In post 631, Iecerint wrote:If they wanted to mislynch you, why would they shoot Elyse and kill Gemini -- both of whom were on your wagon yesterday?

Elyse I would assume because aside from her gut read on me, she said or did something that scared or worried scum-Sal. Gemini no clue, probably something similar, haven't re-read him yet.

PeregrineV · Post Post #633 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:31 am

In post 494, Elyse wrote:Well I'm town.

If I die scumreads are PV, Iec, Xay, Sala in that order.

Iecerint · Post Post #634 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:42 am

In post 632, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 631, Iecerint wrote:If they wanted to mislynch you, why would they shoot Elyse and kill Gemini -- both of whom were on your wagon yesterday?

Elyse I would assume because aside from her gut read on me, she said or did something that scared or worried scum-Sal. Gemini no clue, probably something similar, haven't re-read him yet.

Iecerint · Post Post #635 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:44 am

Ah nevermind. Didn't really process the word "aside."

Dry-fit · Post Post #636 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:16 pm

@Nacho:

I really want an answer to my question. Why did you switch your vote to Salaence in 427?

In post 619, CrashTextDummie wrote:Dry-fit needs to address the issues I had with his Salamance push, since the scum flip doesn't change how I feel about them. I'm miffed that he hasn't addressed them already, given the additional 3 days we got yesterday.

I tried to address it in my first post of the day. The only thing I can really add is that in general I just don't find vote hopping scummy. I've also seen scum attack vote hopping many times as a way to manufacture a case. Naked voting I do find scummy. I don't see why this is a problem. I think there were good reasons to attack PV for his vote, but also illegetimate reasons to do so.

Iecerint wrote:Peregrine had a credible wagon yesterday?

In post 330, RedCoyote wrote:

Vote Count 1 - 10

PeregrineV (4) ( Salamence20 - Elyse - Nachomamma8 - Gemini Blind)

Elyse (2) ( StrangerCoug - Xayzeck)
Salamence20 (2) ( Dry-fit - ToastyToast)
ToastyToast (1) ( Iecerint -
PeregrineV
)
burn_209 (1) ( Juls)
Juls (1) ( burn_209)
Dry-fit (1) ( PeregrineV)
Xayzeck (0) (
ToastyToast
)

Not Voting (0) (
Gemini Blind
)

About as credible as any wagon besides Salamence ever got.

Iecerint · Post Post #637 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:20 pm

Yes, darling.

ToastyToast · Post Post #638 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:17 pm

Question: Does Xayzeck-Salamance make Xayzeck seem more town or less town to people?

At first I was pretty confident that one of elyse/xayzeck would be scum, but soon after salamance dayvigged elyse and voted xayzeck. I'm trying to figure out his reasoning for this and I keep getting stumped.

Xayzeck · Post Post #639 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:21 pm

VOTE: Aronis

I'm fine with Nacho lynch too.

Xayzeck · Post Post #640 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:23 pm

In post 627, StrangerCoug wrote:
In post 626, Iecerint wrote:Gemini being killed was so dumb that I am inclined to believe that a kill was blocked and Gemini died by some other mechanism.

That would explain my thinking, but the evidence of a night vig is flimsy, which is why I'd rather not dwell on it. I don't think Gemini Blind was SK'd.

I don't see any reason Gemini would have died at all.

Xayzeck · Post Post #641 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:24 pm

In post 638, ToastyToast wrote:At first I was pretty confident that one of elyse/xayzeck would be scum

I still don't know why you think so.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #642 (ISO) » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:20 am

In post 638, ToastyToast wrote:Question: Does Xayzeck-Salamance make Xayzeck seem more town or less town to people?

I want to say

SLIGHTLY

more town. I thought Xayzeck was one of the easier lynches and Salamence20 was trying to get it as cheaply as possible. Xayzeck not supporting a Sal lynch post-claim can easily come from either alignment, though.

Xayzeck · Post Post #643 (ISO) » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:46 am

In post 642, StrangerCoug wrote:Xayzeck not supporting a Sal lynch post-claim can easily come from either alignment, though.

By end D1 I was for his lynch.

But for most of D1, yeah I wasn't particularly supporting his lynch.

Aronis · Post Post #644 (ISO) » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:28 pm

In post 639, Xayzeck wrote:VOTE: Aronis

I'm fine with Nacho lynch too.

Why do you want to lynch Nacho?

Xayzeck · Post Post #645 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:23 am

In post 644, Aronis wrote:Why do you want to lynch Nacho?

The longer Nacho is alive, the more I want to lynch him.

Aronis · Post Post #646 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:41 am

In post 645, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 644, Aronis wrote:Why do you want to lynch Nacho?

The longer Nacho is alive, the more I want to lynch him.

Please elaborate. If you're saying it's because he's not getting night killed, I think that's too much speculation at the time being. It's only been one night, so it's really hard to tell. For all we know there's an Sk and the mafia and a doc blocked a kill.

If you're saying his play is really scummy lately, I'm not seeing it.

StrangerCoug · Post Post #647 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:02 am

In post 645, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 644, Aronis wrote:Why do you want to lynch Nacho?

The longer Nacho is alive, the more I want to lynch him.

This does not really tell us anything other than how long he's alive is a factor in how scummy he is, which is unreliable by itself in the first place. As Aronis said, support what you're saying.

UNVOTE: Aronis
VOTE: Xayzeck

PeregrineV · Post Post #648 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:56 am

In post 179, RedCoyote wrote:

Vote Count 1 - 6

Salamence20 (5) ( Dry-fit - Nachomamma8 - Xayzeck - PeregrineV - StrangerCoug)

Xayzeck (2) ( ToastyToast - Elyse)
burn_209 (1) (
Salamence20
- Juls)
Dry-fit (1) ( Gemini Blind -
StrangerCoug
)
ToastyToast (1) ( Iecerint)
Juls (1) ( burn_209)
PeregrineV (1) ( Salamence20)

Not Voting (0) ()

With twelve alive, it takes seven to lynch.
Current Deadline:
(expired on 2014-09-08 15:35:00)

In post 192, Salamence20 wrote:Dear Nacho:

The only scummy things I am worried about at this time are the people on my wagon.

Love, Sally

The only 2 people to get votes yesterday from Sal are Xay and me (CTD in RVS). There doesn't appear to be actual analysis of his wagon, just Sal and ANcho going back and forth about me and Xay.

Dry-fit · Post Post #649 (ISO) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:06 am

In post 638, ToastyToast wrote:At first I was pretty confident that one of elyse/xayzeck would be scum, but soon after salamance dayvigged elyse and voted xayzeck. I'm trying to figure out his reasoning for this and I keep getting stumped.

My take on it is I think it was a desperate attempt to save himself. Elyse was arguably the town's biggest suspect after Salamence. So Salamence wanted to look protown by using his kill as a "second lynch" and killing Elyse. The reason I didn't vote Salamence immediately after he claimed cop is that killing Elyse was a protown move. It just seemed like bad scumplay. Salamence may have been relying on reactions like mine.

So I don't think the Elyse kill says anything about Xayzeck.