Open 572: Nightless Vengeful Mayhem - Game Over

[Not_Mafia]

VC 1.03

Blair (0)-

Phillammon (0)-

Shaddowez (0)-

Thor665 (0)-

droog (1)-

Cheetory6

JohnnyFarrar (0)-

Cheetory6 (6)-

Shaddowez, YYR, droog, Dyslexicon, JohnnyFarrar, Thor665

(L-1)

YYR (0)-

acryon (0)-

Dyslexicon (0)-

wgeurts (1)-

Blair

Fokem (0)-

Not Voting (4)-

Phillammon, acryon, wgeurts, Fokem

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-10-10 20:00:00)

- Oct 9th 19:00 GMT

[Cheetory6]

@Young, I did say nothing of interest. Why are you expecting me to have a hard stance on a single thing Johnny said in the first 10 posts of the game?

[Thor665]

I don't like that Blair has exclusively townreads this early.

Heyo Thor Cheetory is a boy.

1. I find that a good thing, personally.

2. That is the risk you all take for your androgynous anime avatars and genderless names.

Do you have any reason to believe that a town him would not attempt to conform his game to the local town expected meta?
If you do I would support this issue.
If you don't I'm curious why you considered it worth voting over.

This is a dumb and leading question. Any action in this game can be made from a town or scum perspective. Obviously I just feel like it's more likely to come from a scum-motivation in this case. He expressed that Young's scumhunting question was bad/useless in a way that made me feel like that was a better lead than pushing a bandwagon for the sake of it. Safe/coasty play strikes me as scummy. droog's play thus far feels safe/coasty to me.

Johnny is being surprisingly useless.

The question may be leading, but it is not dumb.
It is reasonable to ask why something you felt was scummish was, in your opinion, more likely to be scummy than towny.
Do you have any play experience with Droog prior to this game? I know some of you appear to - I am asking about that because you're acting a little meta-ish and I want to know if there are teeth there or not.
I will agree Johnny is playing sub-par, want to vote him?

[shaddowez]

Goal for this game: Beat NM to a page top post.

I know the game just started tonight, but it would still be good to hear from the rest of the people.

Blair

- Why do you have a slight town read on Droog? I understand the null, but don't see anything townish yet. I know there are some people that like to townhunt rather than scumhunt early game. Is that how you usually play?

Also, I don't think "useful scumhunting" looks like something in particular

This looks like a useful defense for later in the game. What made you vote Cheetory?

[Cheetory6]

I don't have any experience with droog prior to this game, but I do tend to prefer using meta for my arguments, which is why I might seem so lost at the moment given the hardcore different playstyles here and the fact that I only know two people in this game thus far and didn't want to focus on just trying to read them. [especially since I usually struggle with reading Johnny and YYR in the games that I'm usually in with them]

I want to vote Johnny, but possibly for somewhat biased/OMGUS reasons that I don't feel entirely comfortable pushing at the moment.

[Thor665]

I want to vote Johnny, but possibly for somewhat biased/OMGUS reasons that I don't feel entirely comfortable pushing at the moment.

Why not?

Your current vote reason is "coasting/safe" which...frankly applies as much to Johnny as Droog, so what's the hangup here specifically?

[Blair]

At least you said surprisingly.

Blair watchu think of Dys

Not much, really. I kind of liked their vote in #31 but it's difficult to explain why.

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I consider early scum reads different from late game after multiple phases scum reads, and the same with town. You do not? Because I think it's very relevant how much info you have at a given time in gauging the quality of a read.

Why do you like the logic? Specifically as you can, please, I'm a little dense at times.

I don't like the logic, but I can believe that Cheetory meant it when he said it - and I do like that.

Sheer common sense says I have to answer 'yes' to this, otherwise I would be using a different early scumhunting tactic, or, if I am using a different tactic, I wouldn't particularly want to advertise it and would also say 'yes'. It's really kind of an empty question, I clearly feel this is a pro-town way to start a game or I wouldn't do it in any form...except you're not asking me why I think that, you're just going with the empty yes/no aspect. How do you expect that to help sort me?

It was rhetorical.

There is a VAST difference between internal logic and 'being logical'.
If you find logical scummy though, vote me now - I'll be doing it for some time.

I actually asserted you were acting "illogically," so thanks for the invitation but I respectfully decline.

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Goal for this game: Beat NM to a page top post.

I know the game just started tonight, but it would still be good to hear from the rest of the people.

Blair

- Why do you have a slight town read on Droog? I understand the null, but don't see anything townish yet. I know there are some people that like to townhunt rather than scumhunt early game. Is that how you usually play?

Droog seems genuine and a bit aggressive (to me, at least, though apparently droog's aggression or lack-there-of is a point of contention). He hasn't said anything that seemed forced or manufactured to me, and he pushed a counterwagon to the wgeurts wagon unabashedly.

[Thor665]

Why do you like the logic? Specifically as you can, please, I'm a little dense at times.

I don't like the logic, but I can believe that Cheetory meant it when he said it - and I do like that.

I'm tossing a flag on this play. You dinged me for attacking something illogically - I was attacking the logic of the statement. For me to have been illogical you *should* be able to defend the logic to show where your ding on me was coming from.

So please try this again, no dodging allowed. I have a vote and am ornery.

[droog]

yyr: move on from your question. what do you think of thor's entrance?

More votes on wagon are super neat.

deep breath
*sigh*

do you think thor looks town or scum
a thor read is not valid unless it is on someone who is not thor

[Blair]

I consider early scum reads different from late game after multiple phases scum reads, and the same with town. You do not? Because I think it's very relevant how much info you have at a given time in gauging the quality of a read.

I meant to respond to this.

I agree that the two are very different, but I don't think they're very different in ways relevant to your question. I can't increase the amount of information available in the early game other than by advancing into mid- and late-game, but I think it's just as important to try to avoid needless mislynches regardless. I'm working with what I have.

P-edit: @Thor: I don't think Cheetory has to be logical for you to be illogical.

I didn't understand the leap from "you seem to be contradicting yourself in the same paragraph" to "You are essentially claiming scum" and I still don't.

[wgeurts]

*Picks up the axe and chops off the head*
VOTE: Cheetory
Majority reached, man I love waking up.

[droog]

I don't like that Blair has exclusively townreads this early.

Heyo Thor Cheetory is a boy.

blair explains why she has townreads
you don't explain why you have a dys scumread

please dazzle me with your dys case

[droog]

*Picks up the axe and chops off the head*
VOTE: Cheetory
Majority reached, man I love waking up.

[Not_Mafia]

VC 1.04

Blair (0)-

Phillammon (0)-

Shaddowez (0)-

Thor665 (0)-

droog (1)-

Cheetory6

JohnnyFarrar (0)-

Cheetory6 (7)-

Shaddowez, YYR, droog, Dyslexicon, JohnnyFarrar, Thor665, wgeurts

LYNCHED

YYR (0)-

acryon (0)-

Dyslexicon (0)-

wgeurts (1)-

Blair

Fokem (0)-

Not Voting (3)-

Phillammon, acryon, Fokem

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-10-10 20:00:00)

- Oct 9th 19:00 GMT

[Not_Mafia]

Hammer

Cheetory6

was

lynched

day 1, they were a

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

They have

(expired on 2014-09-27 12:00:00)

to decide on a vengekill

[Not_Mafia]

Johnny Farrar

was

vengekilled

, he was

Spoiler:

Mafia 2-Shot Day Goon

[Not_Mafia]

VC 2.00

Blair (0)-

Phillammon (0)-

Shaddowez (0)-

Thor665 (0)-

droog (0)-

YYR (0)-

acryon (0)-

Dyslexicon (0)-

wgeurts (0)-

Fokem (0)-

Not Voting (10)-

Blair, Phillammon, Shaddowwez, Thor665, droog, YYR, acryon, Dyslexicon, wgeurts, Fokem

With

10

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-10-10 20:00:00)

- Oct 9th 19:00 GMT

[droog]

this game sat in sign-ups for how long?
3 weeks?

[droog]

VOTE: wgeurts

this one's on principle

[Cheetory6]

Lol.

[Blair]

Really, wgeurts? Really?

Explain that quickhammer-in-your-first-post-of-the-game, please.

[Blair]

@Cheetory: Fantastic shot, by the way.

[JohnnyFarrar]

First game in a year and I die in six hours. Awesome.

[droog]

with 2/10 scum we have 6 mislynches to lose

[YYR]

VOTE: wgeurts

Debating whether Johnny would make such a weak push on a Blair as a scummate. Seems a little too weak for it to be the strong busing I know Johnny is willing to do. Don't know how much he'd be willing to do in for this setup, though. Meh.