Open 573: C9++

[50 Shades of Purple]

OK

nacho/mollie you're going to be spending some quality time w/ TTH

I am pretty sure tth is wanting to spend time with nacho and not me. I am so boring and uncharismatic that nacho fell aleep when I was on the phone with him this morning.

true story.

Oh, don't sell yourself short, mollie (do you mind if I shorten your name to that?). Of course I want to hear from you. Antihero has only the best things to say about you.

It's just taking me a little longer than expected since I'm a little busy, but I'll get to it!

-TTH

okay.

that was more of a dig at nacho

*whoosh*

but I can be

not really

patient

[Antihero]

*poke*

mollie.

be nice.

[Heartless]

*overwhelmed*

Forget trying to address everything at once...

Nacho or mollie: Let's start with the GrayFoxx read. Could you please articulate that town read for me?

-TTH

[Heartless]

ya' knowwwwww

i'd actually really

love

to hear about that
death stareread

myself

[Death Stare]

1. He blatantly ignored practically everyone else who expressed that they found this behavior bizarre, but the moment I posted (his other expressed scumread), it caused him to unvote.

Unvote, yes. Did it make him change his position? No. Unvoting a wagon with no wheels is more indicative of a good player than it's indicative of scum.

2. He didn't vote anyone else. Voting this slot immediately would've been very very town, but just pushing for another angle would've been pretty town too.

Why would voting you immediately be town?
Why is looking for a different angle not as town as pushing a different angle? It seems to me like most of his eggs were in the "wg = scum" basket so it seems unrealistic for him to pull out another strong scumread out of his ass and not jumping on you isn't scummy unless you two are scumbuddies.

You're not reading.

-Ank

[Death Stare]

Reading MonkeyMan's ISO literally would answer every single question you asked me in that post. I'm completely lost as to how you can't answer those yourself.

-Ank

[GrayFoxxxx]

Busy night can't phone post reads until I have time in morning.

[MonkeyMan]

Reading MonkeyMan's ISO literally would answer every single question you asked me in that post. I'm completely lost as to how you can't answer those yourself.

-Ank

The answers might seem obvious to you but not to others. You should answer them yourselves if you want people to actual listen to what you say.

[50 Shades of Purple]

*poke*

mollie.

be nice.

I thought I was!

*overwhelmed*

Forget trying to address everything at once...

Nacho or mollie: Let's start with the GrayFoxx read. Could you please articulate that town read for me?

-TTH

I don't have a town read on grey fox.

when talked earlier we were not talking about mafia.

this might be 1 of those times where we fight.

~i love nacho

[Death Stare]

Reading MonkeyMan's ISO literally would answer every single question you asked me in that post. I'm completely lost as to how you can't answer those yourself.

-Ank

The answers might seem obvious to you but not to others. You should answer them yourselves if you want people to actual listen to what you say.

I would expect him to be able to see what I'm talking about considering he's a lot more experienced than I am and has been focusing on you a lot this game. You've been talking about how we're on your scumlist for a decent chunk of the game (

especially

before that). That directly answers his questions for #2.

The question for #1 isn't even relevant mainly because he missed the above.

[Death Stare]

But honestly, I'm not really interested in talking with Nacho really anymore since at best we're just running in circles around each other.

-Ank

[Nero Cain]

But honestly, I'm not really interested in talking with Nacho really anymore since at best we're just running in circles around each other.

-Ank

so bus him.

[massive]

Only 11 pages to read so will catch up this morning.

[Nero Cain]

I don't know if 561, 563 and 565 make me want to climb in the fetal position and cry or pl the fuck out of wegurts.

posting in the correct game this time!!!

this thread has a lack of Dave posting and Mollie votes.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't have a town read on grey fox.

So is that a null or scum

[davesaz]

this thread has a lack of Dave posting and Mollie votes.

I posted all I needed to along with my vote.

See this post?

^
is scum

vote:50 shades

And your reply. Key part snipped, and then spoilered in its entirety.

Not entirely sure if its a reading thing or if you are scum going out of his way to misrep me (I'm going with scum!) but claiming that I don't have reasons for suspecting people and that I had little content (both untrue btw) is a blatant lie. Now why would town do that?

Spoiler: Nero's defense

*rev rev rev*
^
chainsaw sounds

I kinda disliked his early trolling and cluttering up the thread

^
explaining why I was early voting DS

Even though you do this in basically every game ever, you jumped too early on asking for my reaction to my wagon. You should've waited until more votes piled up.

yeah, please get to dying. You are basically waving me off which I think is far more likely to come from scum then town and the wgwerts was all "STOP VOTING DS" so your "you jumped too early on asking for my reaction" really doesn't make sense in context of the gamestate.

^
pointing out that I didn't like DS waving me off AND explaining why I dislike Wegurts. And the wegurts thing felt like it should have been pretty obvious so that "YOU HAVE NO REASONING FOR VOTING WEGURTS!!!" seems sorta fake. Fake, like Mollies in-game personality.

Not entirely sure if its a reading thing or if you are scum going out of his way to misrep me (I'm going with scum!) but claiming that I don't have reasons for suspecting people and that I had little content (both untrue btw) is a blatant lie. Now why would town do that?

I think Mollie is very likely scum 'cause townMollie doesn't town read townNero thus means is very likely to be scumMollie.

I still think DS is p scummy. Maybe it was just GIF being worthless town...idk. Maybe Mollie was bussing him earlier dunno yet but like if you are town you should sheep me to victory or like you could just die after 50 shades of scum flips.

I'm responding directly to the 50 shades vote.

[massive]

Got my morning taken up by another game but will post more this afternoon.

[Aneninen]

I don't know if 561, 563 and 565 make me want to climb in the fetal position and cry or pl the fuck out of wegurts.

Those are indeed anti-town but showing only laziness. I've already seen lazy players like that. Though, scum(s?) can do that too but in my opinion it wouldn't be a strong scumplay.

[massive]

Massive, 309 – Why do you wish to sheep Heartless (Antihero)?

Little joke. Although I have Heartless as town. Not the worst slot to sheep in that case.

334:

Nero

: "I mean, he voted no lynch when there's was no good reason to and then fear mongered that we "might lynch a special"." Fear-mongered is a pretty strong word, wouldn't you say? Maybe just a stretch? See it in action here: 78 OOH TERRIFYING

(and it's STILL null despite you saying "none of it is pro-town")

335:

Aneninen

: "@Massive. Post more, start scumhunting and my reads can change. If you want my reads to be changed at all. " I'm ... What'd I say now? Now I gotta look. Well, none of it isn't true, and you maybe missed me saying in 265 that I wish someone would show me why "lurking" is such a scum tell that players can rely on ONLY THAT to call someone scummy. Would you like to help me understand?

376:

MTD

: How are you against Monkeyman for wanting to lynch wiggerts for the newbie nonsense, but Nero gets a pass for the same thing? You even hide a bunch against Monkeyman behind a spoiler. Was Nero's thought process on the issue really THAT much better? And even so, isn't the fact that the conclusion was wrong matter more than the process?

Massive and both heads of 50Shades seem to be active elsewhere. Do you all still think that my "Early-lurking scums" theory is bullshyt?

Yup. Especially since you posted this on a Saturday and I am off-boards all weekend. And so I wasn't here to ask you to please point to all my activity on Saturday. Would you like to do so now?

The first fallacy town players have to overcome is the "wrong = scum" fallacy. New player making a mistake and new player jumping on it is a pretty typical progression of events.

(regarding wguerts / MonkeyMan) So what's Nero's excuse?

Regarding the playing like a robot quote, it's a profession tell. I'm a systems engineer / software engineer / inventor.

Hey, don't blame us engineers. I'm an engineer and I'm perfectly linguistic. I almost said languid but that's something different.

Really? We spend time discussing scum / "scums" but only as a vocabulary lesson?

[Aneninen]

Wow, a Massive-post!
I've already dropped that "Early-lurking-scum" theory since everyone else told me that it was bullshyt.
Are you scumreading MTD? Do you think that certain players tend to give a free pass to Nero?

Really? We spend time discussing scum / "scums" but only as a vocabulary lesson?

That's my fault, I must admit. Even if I'm an ESL player I'm obsessed with questions like that. English/German/Dutch.

By the way, I like the catch-up because it seems to be genuine.

[massive]

Assuming you're a Dutchie, your English is better than mine. Spent multiple years in Germany and the Dutch-English is amazing.

Regarding Nero: I have no idea. If they are, it's because they expect to be able to read his alignment at some point in the game. I have no capacity nor desire to rely on that.

Regarding MTD: The cat only has 20 posts. I have questions but it's not to the point of a scumread yet.

[Aneninen]

No, I'm Hungarian But yes, Dutch-English is cute. ^_^

I have no idea about Nero either but my intuition says that the players' attitude towards that slot might reveal something later. Does that make sense?

MTD is town in my opinion.

[Jingle]

I hear that TellTaleHeart and Antihero grew up in a circus. They were a very popular trapeze act.

I hear that GuyInFreezer is secretly a famous masked wrestler.

[Jingle]

Vote Count 1.7

Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
"Forward, the Light Brigade!
"Charge for the guns!" he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

MonkeyMan (4): massive, sthar8, wgeurts, Aneninen
MTD (2): Death Stare, 50 Shades of Purple
sthar8 (1): GrayFoxxxx
Aneninen (1): MonkeyMan
Nero Cain (1): davesaz
50 Shades of Purple (1): Nero Cain
GrayFoxxxx (1): Heartless
Death Stare (0):
Stavrogin (0):
davesaz (0):
Heartless (0):
wgeurts (0):
massive (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting(2): Stavrogin, MTD

With 13 Alive it is 7 to Lynch or No Lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2014-10-07 13:00:00) on October 7th, 2014 at 1500 PST (GMT-8).

Stavrogin is V/LA until Tuesday, September 30th.
MTD is V/LA until Wednesday, October 1st.

Please do not discuss this game in other places, or other games in this game. It was brought to my attention that this happened accidentally. No action is necessary in this case, and this has already been resolved. Thank you!

[Nero Cain]

I'm responding directly to the 50 shades vote.

ok but I wasn't.

I don't see continuing comments on your stances or any attempt to follow up to prove the read or convince others of it.

and I was proving you wrong.

As for Mollie, I DO think she is more likely to scum read me as town. Even the game that Mollie said she town read me in she was acting like I wasn't a town read for part of d1. Also Nacho is lurking and I think that's also likely to happen as scum.

What do you think of Anen saying that your vote on me is maybe a chainsaw of mollie?

If reads/votes without reasons are so scummy, why are you ignoring Heartless who has a scum read on 50 and has yet to provide reasoning?

I don't know if 561, 563 and 565 make me want to climb in the fetal position and cry or pl the fuck out of wegurts.

Those are indeed anti-town but showing only laziness. I've already seen lazy players like that. Though, scum(s?) can do that too but in my opinion it wouldn't be a strong scumplay.

Its only lazy if its town.

Nero: "I mean, he voted no lynch when there's was no good reason to and then fear mongered that we "might lynch a special"." Fear-mongered is a pretty strong word, wouldn't you say? Maybe just a stretch? See it in action here: 78 OOH TERRIFYING

.............

Its only a term and its the correct term to use. Saying "no don't lynch DS, he could have a pr!" is using fear to try to not get him lynched. So you are mocking me for what reason?

Are you scum reading me? If yes, why.

Do you think that certain players tend to give a free pass to Nero?

Who is giving me a free pass? Do you think I don't deserve a free pass?