Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

Malakittens · Post Post #1300 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:03 pm

Deadline Josh and I wasn't lynching GM who was the counterwagon and a strong townread. Which did you want me to do, contribute to a no lynch to avoid lynching neither?

Wisdom · Post Post #1301 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:14 pm

In post 1297, Malakittens wrote:I need to reread some of Scripten's games. I think he might have been killed off due to being familiar with certain players and I want to draw that connection.

He has a completed game with bbt and Josh (the one Josh just linked)

Malakittens · Post Post #1302 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:16 pm

I already looked at them Wis, one step ahead of you man.

Wisdom · Post Post #1303 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:17 pm

And another one with Dave and bbt

So yeah, your point might mean bbt scum

Malakittens · Post Post #1304 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:25 pm

It could also indicate Dave-scum too.

Wisdom · Post Post #1305 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:31 pm

You said 2 with Dave, what's the other one besides newbie 1524?

Wisdom · Post Post #1306 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:33 pm

If I didn't miss something, Scripten's 3 completed games are:

Newbie 1508 (no other players from this game)
Micro 382 (BBT and Josh)
Newbie 1524 (BBT and Dave)

So that's 2 with BBT, 1 with Josh and 1 with Dave, no?

Malakittens · Post Post #1307 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:41 pm

Yeah, but just because BBT has the most common games doesn't mean he's scum. It could just be familiarity and if they are scared of the player. So BBT, Josh and Dave could be scum, but I doubt it's all three of them.

Malakittens · Post Post #1308 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:41 pm

My bad. Dave is 1/3, don't ask me where I got the second game. >_>

Wisdom · Post Post #1309 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:43 pm

I'm also reading the micro and it appears that it begins with a scripten/bbt 1v1 akin to the Dave/bbt we have here. So bbt is certainly familiar with him.

Josh_B · Post Post #1310 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:53 pm

In post 1300, Malakittens wrote:wagon and a strong townread. Which did you want me to do, contribute to a no lynch to avoid lynching neither

sure. or vote someone that you actually thought was scummy.

Making a compromise choice at deadline always hurts town. But my point wasn't about your actions. My point was about Shinobi and BBT picking two people and tunneling the shit out of them when there were more than two people who did not vote NPAU, or with suspicions that NPAU was town.

Look at Peabody. He straight said, "I think NPAU is town" and voted him in the same post.

If you look at BBT and Shinobi, they were both on the GM wagon, but neither of them seem to pushing that anymore

Wisdom · Post Post #1311 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:55 pm

Adding to 1309: The scripten/BBT 1v1 in that game is TOO similar to the dave/BBT one here. BBT is blindly tunneling on Scripten in the exact same way. Guess that's what Josh meant earlier.

I think it might be BBT is replicating his meta (he's town in that game).

Wisdom · Post Post #1312 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:58 pm

In post 1310, Josh_B wrote:Look at Peabody. He straight said, "I think NPAU is town" and voted him in the same post.

So do you agree with my Peabody scumread? Earlier you asked me why I wanted to wagon him.

Also

In post 1288, Wisdom wrote:
josh, what did you think of my hephaestus townread?

Malakittens · Post Post #1313 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:59 pm

Fuck Josh, do you know how stupid, baseless and not even helpful in what you just told me to do. I don't see how less than 2 days to the dead line you wanted me to switch my vote to contribute to a no lynch to avoid lynching someone who I thought was maybe town and someone who was strong town read. I have come to the conclusion that no lynching is worst than lynching someone Day 1 regardless of your "feelings" for them are.

Please tell me how no lynching day 1 would have helped the town...?

Josh_B · Post Post #1314 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:39 pm

In post 1312, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1310, Josh_B wrote:Look at Peabody. He straight said, "I think NPAU is town" and voted him in the same post.

So do you agree with my Peabody scumread? Earlier you asked me why I wanted to wagon him.

Also

In post 1288, Wisdom wrote:
josh, what did you think of my hephaestus townread?

I don't know about a hephaestus town read. It seems like me and Mala are the only ones considering Hephaestus as scum, but I think we're butting heads so hard on other stuff that a Hepheastus lynch probably isn't going to happen. It's true though what Mala said about Nya(the previous slot holder). Nya was posting else where and not in this game. When I started playing this game, there weren't that many active players. Mala, BBT, Goodmorning, Huntress, and Metal Sonic come to mind as being the most active.

As far as Peabody goes, he isn't the only one that voted NPAU despite thinking he was town.

Wisdom · Post Post #1315 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:43 pm

Except that isn't why I think peabody is scum.

Also I made some points on why I think hephaestus is town when Mala asked me, did you see them?

Josh_B · Post Post #1316 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:07 pm

In post 1313, Malakittens wrote:Fuck Josh, do you know how stupid, baseless and not even helpful in what you just told me to do. I don't see how less than 2 days to the dead line you wanted me to switch my vote to contribute to a no lynch to avoid lynching someone who I thought was maybe town and someone who was strong town read. I have come to the conclusion that no lynching is worst than lynching someone Day 1 regardless of your "feelings" for them are.

Please tell me how no lynching day 1 would have helped the town...?

Mala, I think you just said that you voted NPAU as a policy lynch. This comes after you accusing me of wanting to PL on Hepheastus.
I really hope that you can understand why I'm suspicious of you because right now I'm looking at your post and asking myself WTF?

It's people who made comments like this one...

In post 266, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm not liking NPAU right now. I think he is my #1 lynch for today.

... but asking why people voted for NPAU that make me FoS.

I'm moving my vote to

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

Wisdom · Post Post #1317 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:10 pm

In post 1316, Josh_B wrote:Mala, I think you just said that you voted NPAU as a policy lynch.

She nowhere said that. She was pretty clear as to why she voted npiau.

UNVOTE:

Malakittens · Post Post #1318 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:11 pm

Fuck Josh if you think thats fucking why i voted npau then you are either fucking dense or misrepping me up the ass. Which is it?

Wisdom · Post Post #1319 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:14 pm

I read 12 pages of that micro featuring Scripten/josh/BBT. My conclusion is that BBT is doing the deathtunnel thing regardless of alignment - Scripten even pointed out that he might be doing it to manipulate his meta, and he might be correct.

So I'll try to completely disregard my feelings about BBT's deathtunneling and try to read him from other aspects of his play. Till then, I am removing my vote and placing it back on my top suspect.

And I'll be honest, I don't like josh much so him trying to guide me in further scumreading BBT and now voting him has its effects too.

VOTE: Peabody

Josh_B · Post Post #1320 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:19 pm

Hephaestus's "ucitron is scum" statement was very empty. As all of his reads have been.

I just read a general discussion thread about apathy, and I'm starting to see that as an excuse more and more. It's going to be a scum buzzword soon enough.

Wisdom, I see your case on Peabody as a good start to get more information out of him. I'll decide further when he responds.

Wisdom · Post Post #1321 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:20 pm

In post 1316, Josh_B wrote:It's people who made comments like this one...

In post 266, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
I'm not liking NPAU right now. I think he is my #1 lynch for today.

... but asking why people voted for NPAU that make me FoS.

This is very weak reasoning. Being wrong about a scumread does not mean he shouldn't question other people who joined the wagon. You're trying to pass this as a contradiction/hypocrisy and I don't like it.

Wisdom · Post Post #1322 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:23 pm

In post 1320, Josh_B wrote:Hephaestus's "ucitron is scum" statement was very empty. As all of his reads have been.

And? Does that make him scum?

I just read a general discussion thread about apathy, and I'm starting to see that as an excuse more and more. It's going to be a scum buzzword soon enough.

Apathy exists, like it or not. You have to take it into consideration. Or does it bother you that the apathy angle does not let you push your mislynch forward?

Wisdom, I see your case on Peabody as a good start to get more information out of him. I'll decide further when he responds.

So you do not have a read on him right now?

Josh_B · Post Post #1323 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:40 pm

I'm going to quote myself here, because Mala, I'm thinking that this is a matter of your opinion versus my opinion and I'm thinking we should take this to general discussion. I don't know if I should start a thread on this right now, or wait until after the game. I'll probably wait until after the game, since this issue is now an active topic in an ongoing game.

In post 154, Josh_B wrote:I could D1 PL on a 7 page week old game. It's probably better than a last minute D1 pressure lynch.

I think the term that I'll be using in the general discussion topic for what happened with the GM/NPAU wagons is "Zero Hour Compromise Lynch"

Josh_B · Post Post #1324 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:42 pm

I'd like a response from Hepheastus on this matter.

In post 953, Josh_B wrote:Hephaestus talk to me about your town reads.