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Post Post #36250 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:06 pm

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Win baron?
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Post Post #36251 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:10 pm

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Post Post #36252 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:38 pm

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In post 36249, FakeGod wrote:HELP

ALL OF MY TEAMMATES ARE CARRYING SMITE/TELEPORT

EXCEPT SHACO WHO HAS SMITE/FLASH

WAT DO

My teammates used tele to go to each of the 4 buffs before 40s of game has passed.

It was beautiful. It looked for a split second as if we're going to get a 4 buff start.

It was really funny watching my teammates suddenly all rush out of the bush using teleport to help me out.

They just roamed in 4s in our jungle. I think they were premade.

We lost the game badly.
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Post Post #36253 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:23 pm

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All smite teams work.
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Post Post #36254 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:45 pm

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Unrelatedly; Varus is the most underrated ADC in league. Period. His only major weakness being mobile assassins/lack of mobility.
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Post Post #36255 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:46 pm

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In post 36254, animorpherv1 wrote:lack of mobility


Not having an escape is a pretty huge weakness. I like Varus mind you, I just don't think you can write it off as 'oh, he -only- lacks mobility'.
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Post Post #36256 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:48 pm

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Sadly, those are both sort of super major issues in current meta? Like no escapes in lanes with supports tossing out snares and knockups, etc is sort of bad.
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Post Post #36257 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:49 pm

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Oh, chamber said it better.
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Post Post #36258 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:50 pm

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His R needs a projectile width buff.
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Post Post #36259 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:58 pm

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In post 36253, JasonWazza wrote:All smite teams work.

I assure you that my teammates weren't trying to make it work.

They were pretty chill tho
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Post Post #36260 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:49 am

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In post 36259, FakeGod wrote:
In post 36253, JasonWazza wrote:All smite teams work.

I assure you that my teammates weren't trying to make it work.

They were pretty chill tho


It's a pity, cause when you do it semi-legit, it works so well.

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And i think given jungle changes, it could become a competitive thing.
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Post Post #36261 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:54 am

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In post 36255, chamber wrote:
In post 36254, animorpherv1 wrote:lack of mobility


Not having an escape is a pretty huge weakness. I like Varus mind you, I just don't think you can write it off as 'oh, he -only- lacks mobility'.

That's also why Ashe doesn't really work in this meta, either, although she's a bit more of a burst ADC than Varus is.

I don't Varus counts as a hypercarry, though, so it's not like he's a second Kog'Maw. (why wouldn't he, though, out of curiosity?)
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Post Post #36262 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:33 am

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Post Post #36263 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:25 am

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In post 36261, Voidedmafia wrote:
In post 36255, chamber wrote:
In post 36254, animorpherv1 wrote:lack of mobility


Not having an escape is a pretty huge weakness. I like Varus mind you, I just don't think you can write it off as 'oh, he -only- lacks mobility'.

That's also why Ashe doesn't really work in this meta, either, although she's a bit more of a burst ADC than Varus is.

I don't Varus counts as a hypercarry, though, so it's not like he's a second Kog'Maw. (why wouldn't he, though, out of curiosity?)


He's pretty close, but not quite. The ideal combo is 3 autos -> ult -> 3 autos -> q -> 3 autos -> w, which shreds just about anything, but that takes time.
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Post Post #36264 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:35 am

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Every ad-carry shreds a LOT of stuff in 9 autos.
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Post Post #36265 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:46 am

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ugh

jungle j4 is more subpar than I thought
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Post Post #36266 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:55 am

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I played Varus exactly once since returning to the game and I was pretty shocked at how useless he felt. He used to be a pretty high-tier ADC for damage and can do wonders in the laning phase, but it's heavily gimped when a bot lane of hypercarry+CC-heavy support is the norm. It shuts down his primary strength, exploits his weakness, and ensures that he gets outscaled.

Once the bot lane starts focusing more on early-game brawls over scalability, he'll probably be one of the top-tiers again, if only because he shuts down Draven.
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Post Post #36267 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:05 am

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In post 36266, Ankamius wrote:I played Varus exactly once since returning to the game and I was pretty shocked at how useless he felt. He used to be a pretty high-tier ADC for damage and can do wonders in the laning phase, but it's heavily gimped when a bot lane of hypercarry+CC-heavy support is the norm. It shuts down his primary strength, exploits his weakness, and ensures that he gets outscaled.

Once the bot lane starts focusing more on early-game brawls over scalability, he'll probably be one of the top-tiers again, if only because he shuts down Draven.

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Post Post #36268 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:13 am

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In post 36265, FakeGod wrote:ugh

jungle j4 is more subpar than I thought

Well, afaict with my inexperienced jungling eyes, J4's strength's in his ganks and maneuverability over his clear times (I mean, Martial Cadance probably does give a good burst, but probably not enough to dramatically boost clears like with Lee Sin's Q or Kha'Zix's W/Q/passive). I take it you're not finding success with early ganking or something?
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Post Post #36269 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:55 am

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In post 36265, FakeGod wrote:ugh

jungle j4 is more subpar than I thought


If by "Subpar" you mean "A-tier," then yes, he's subpar.
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Post Post #36270 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:05 am

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his dash is telegraphed as fuck

you're never going to land that on anyone competent
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Post Post #36271 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:07 am

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you are pushing q too slowly
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Post Post #36272 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:09 am

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j4's clear speed sucks

no natural sustain + low clear speed = overreliance on pots & running around at low hp

weak as shit (if you meet fucking anything other than amumu and his friends while clearing and you burned your q, you gonna have a bad time)

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Post Post #36273 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:10 am

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In post 36271, quadz08 wrote:you are pushing q too slowly

I assure you I'm casting it at maximum speed
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Post Post #36274 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:20 am

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Well, if you're looking for an early game brawler, then J4's obviously not going to be your champ. He's more utility-based and made for teamfighting and CC. Though, his clear is probably a lot better if your top lane jungles with you, since is aegis gets a better shield with allies (IIRC).
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