Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

beastcharizard · Post Post #1350 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:46 am

Vote Count

davesaz(2): BlueBloodedToffee, Huntress
BlueBloodedToffee(2): davesaz, Josh_B
Josh_B(1): Shinobi
Peabody(1): Wisdom

Not voting(5):Malakittens, ucitron00, Peabody, hephaestus, gooodmorning
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-10-27 20:00:00)

Malakittens V/LA until Monday the 13th

Changed where the votecount was.

Josh_B · Post Post #1351 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:49 am

In post 1329, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1328, Josh_B wrote:
Ad populum makes Hepheastus townie?

No, it shows your argument is bullshit.

Other people doing it does not make it more acceptable- like drugs.

How is he mislynch fodder? Is the case on him weak?

I don't recall there being a case on him. So no, it's not weak, it's non-existent.

The case is that his previous slot holder Nya was posting elsewhere and not in this game(classic scum lurking)
That his votes have been empty and he has not provided much content, or scum hunted.
He has been maxing out his prod time, and was slotted to be replaced at one point.

I mean I would say ask him questions, but he really isn't around that much to have a decent conversation with.

davesaz · Post Post #1352 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:05 am

I've thought all along that there are two. If it's 3 then the logic that led me to believe it was ok for masons to claim now was wrong.

davesaz · Post Post #1353 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:13 am

We could put hephaestus to the lurker vs. absent test. Run up a wagon, and see how long it takes him to appear and how he responds to the accusation.
I've thought it was scummy all along, but wanted to hold off to see if it was really just RL pressure.
This is by no means the strongest possible approach, but it's something that might get results.

VOTE: hephaestus

Josh_B · Post Post #1354 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:18 am

In post 1347, Wisdom wrote:So are you going to answer why he's town?

He said he's town. I believe him. Believing him makes me happy. Happiness is the truth.

Do you want to know who else I'm town reading?

GoodMorning
Malakittens
Davesaz
Uctriton
Peabody
Huntress

That leaves
Wisdom
Hephestus
BlueBloodedToffee
Shinobi

Which is four, and there's only three scum, this makes me sad.

GM and Mala which ones do you think I"m wrong about?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1355 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:42 am

In post 1352, davesaz wrote:I've thought all along that there are two. If it's 3 then the logic that led me to believe it was ok for masons to claim now was wrong.

What logic was that?

In post 1353, davesaz wrote:We could put hephaestus to the lurker vs. absent test. Run up a wagon, and see how long it takes him to appear and how he responds to the accusation.
I've thought it was scummy all along, but wanted to hold off to see if it was really just RL pressure.
This is by no means the strongest possible approach, but it's something that might get results.

VOTE: hephaestus

I figured you would get off my wagon once you lost the support of Wisdom. Given it was basically an OMGUS vote, it's not surprising.

I will later be quoting posts that you chose not to reply to. Can't do it right now as multi-quoting doesn't work properly on iPad.

What are your current reads Dave?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1356 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:43 am

Josh, your reads are awful.

I'm sorry. It had to he said.

uctriton00 · Post Post #1357 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:11 am

vote: josh

davesaz · Post Post #1358 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:38 am

In post 1355, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 1352, davesaz wrote:I've thought all along that there are two. If it's 3 then the logic that led me to believe it was ok for masons to claim now was wrong.

What logic was that?

Two masons claim: two confirmed town. The pool of possible scum is reduced by two, and scum are pretty much obligated to NK the masons to avoid an unwinnable lylo.
Two masons and two scum claim: All scum have to be within the 4 people who claimed. They claimed in pairs, so it only takes at most 3 lynches to finish the scum team.

With a 3 scum team the 2nd clause is false.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1359 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:38 am

Current reads?

davesaz · Post Post #1360 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:41 am

It will take me a little time to update reads. A lot has to be reexamined based on corrected assumptions.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1361 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:43 am

No problem. I can wait.

I'll jump on the laptop soon to multi-quote my posts that you didn't respond to.

Wisdom · Post Post #1362 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:49 am

In post 1349, Josh_B wrote:
In post 1331, Shinobi wrote:What changed in the interim?

MS replaced out, and I don't expect Wisdom to be able to justify the actions of a different player. Do you even read? Wisdom and I are having a conversation about reads. It's almost like I'm making it a point to interact with the new player who is in a slot that I find scummy.

I don't feel like you're engaging me at all, nope. I'm the one trying to get answers from you.

Wisdom · Post Post #1363 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:51 am

In post 1351, Josh_B wrote:
The case is that his previous slot holder Nya was posting elsewhere and not in this game(classic scum lurking)
That his votes have been empty and he has not provided much content, or scum hunted.
He has been maxing out his prod time, and was slotted to be replaced at one point.

None of these are necessarily scum traits. See apathetic townie.

Wisdom · Post Post #1364 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:52 am

In post 1353, davesaz wrote:We could put hephaestus to the lurker vs. absent test. Run up a wagon, and see how long it takes him to appear and how he responds to the accusation.
I've thought it was scummy all along, but wanted to hold off to see if it was really just RL pressure.
This is by no means the strongest possible approach, but it's something that might get results.

VOTE: hephaestus

Why hephaestus? Peabody and uctriton are also inactive and much more likely to be scum.

Wisdom · Post Post #1365 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:54 am

In post 1354, Josh_B wrote:
He said he's town. I believe him. Believing him makes me happy. Happiness is the truth.

That's not an explanation. Try again, or you're admitting you are pulling reads out of your ass and you can't explain them.

And explain the Peabody townread too.

Shinobi · Post Post #1366 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:54 am

In post 1349, Josh_B wrote:
In post 1331, Shinobi wrote:What changed in the interim?

MS replaced out, and I don't expect Wisdom to be able to justify the actions of a different player. Do you even read? Wisdom and I are having a conversation about reads. It's almost like I'm making it a point to interact with the new player who is in a slot that I find scummy.

That's not what I'm talking about. As soon as day started, you voted Hephaestus instead of MS even though MS was still in the game, so either you forgot your own convictions which you were so adamant about at EoD or you made up reasons to vote MS because you wouldn't have been on the wrong wagon.

Your townread on dave is the epitome of making up reasons. He said he is town, so he's town? Really? I don't believe that for a second. You're not taking any of his posts into account other than "townclaim lool" which doesn't mean anything at all.

And your reads list is complete garbage. Why are you townreading the people who you are townreading? I just see a list of names and nothing backing them, so how am I supposed to know how you reached your conclusions?

Shinobi · Post Post #1367 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:55 am

Ugh, I typed this whole thing out and Wisdom jumped on it before I could.

Wisdom · Post Post #1368 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:56 am

In post 1357, uctriton00 wrote:
vote: josh

Hi there. Are you going to post anything useful anytime soon?

Wisdom · Post Post #1369 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:03 am

UNVOTE:
VOTE: josh

Unofficial VC:

josh (3) - Shinobi, uctriton, Wisdom
dave (2) - BBT, Huntress
BBT (1) - josh
hephaestus (1) - dave

Malakittens · Post Post #1370 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:05 am

In post 1354, Josh_B wrote:GoodMorning
Malakittens
Davesaz
Uctriton
Peabody
Huntress

That leaves
Wisdom
Hephestus
BlueBloodedToffee
Shinobi

Wisdom is prob-town. Switch Peabody with Wisdom and unsure on Uct, but I think Shinobi is also likely-town.

Wisdom · Post Post #1371 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:06 am

Mala, what did you think of BBT pointing out dave's townslip?

Huntress · Post Post #1372 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:14 am

I'm not so sure now about my vote on Dave.

Unvote

Still working on updating my reads.

Wisdom · Post Post #1373 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:17 am

Huntress, I'd love it if you explained why you say/do things.

You never answered my 1296 either.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1374 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:22 am

In post 1186, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Why did you not follow up on the NPAU wagon you disliked so much at start of D2?

In post 1247, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:896 might have been in reply to you but it's not
because
of you that my vote changed.

In 896, I said '
it
feels genuine.' 'It' was in reference to Mala's 891. Mala's 891 is what made me re-evaluate my read on her and consequently join the NPAU wagon.

You will also notice that my 898 is in direct response to Mala. Again, not related to anything you have done.

So, tell me again. How do you get credit for me joining the NPAU wagon?

Wait what? So you didn't pause on NPAU because you thought he might be Mason? You've now changed that to you paused on NPAU because of my willingness to join his wagon???

Which is it?

You're also acting like I had no previous scum-read on NPAU and joined his wagon with no reasoning. This is a gross misrepresentation on your part.

In post 1261, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:1257 does not answer the contradiction.

Read the question. Try again.