NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[Pine]

You're refusing to acknowledge the forest, but for the trees. Perhaps I can rephrase, such that you'll engage my allegation instead of splitting hairs: notscience was being moody and refusing to make things easier. You're being straight-up counter-productive and refusing to engage. There's a big damn difference between the two, though I could have chosen better words

At this point, I'm prepared to lynch everyone not on my Town list in a by-the-numbers fashion

[House]

You're refusing to acknowledge the forest, but for the trees.

What an interesting phrase. I wonder whether you used it specifically to grab my attention or if you just spoke off the top of your head.

Perhaps I can rephrase, such that you'll engage my allegation instead of splitting hairs: notscience was being moody and refusing to make things easier. You're being straight-up counter-productive and refusing to engage.

You've been nothing but confrontational towards me from the first word, and now you know how I respond to such tactics.

At this point, I'm prepared to lynch everyone not on my Town list in a by-the-numbers fashion

Nah, lynching me is a waste of time. Don't confuse annoying and stupid with scummy.

[reinoe]

SK HAS to be one of the following players.
MuffinMan
Majiffy
Peregrine
notscience
Shaddowez
RoyalApe
.

Re-reading Mirhawk's Iso he was chainsaw defending OkaPoka pretty hard. I suspect that he tracked OkaPoka and knew.

Also I suspect mirhawk tracked a bunch of people and since the SK is killing every night the above are people he had not yet tracked.

Interestingly enough. The list that Mirhawk presents here is full of the scummiest people in the game.

--->Peregrine, RoyalApe (Skybird), notscience<---
Two scum in here.

Hey peoples, you know that one player that everyone keeps calling scum but never gets lynched, but then at the end of the game they turn out to be scum? That's PeregrineV. He keeps getting called scum but never gets lynched.

VOTE: PeregrineV

[notscience]

See

I'm endearing about it

[House]

SK HAS to be one of the following players.
MuffinMan
Majiffy
Peregrine
notscience
Shaddowez
RoyalApe
.

Re-reading Mirhawk's Iso he was chainsaw defending OkaPoka pretty hard. I suspect that he tracked OkaPoka and knew.

Also I suspect mirhawk tracked a bunch of people and since the SK is killing every night the above are people he had not yet tracked.

Interestingly enough. The list that Mirhawk presents here is full of the scummiest people in the game.

--->Peregrine, RoyalApe (Skybird), notscience<---
Two scum in here.

Hey peoples, you know that one player that everyone keeps calling scum but never gets lynched, but then at the end of the game they turn out to be scum? That's PeregrineV. He keeps getting called scum but never gets lynched.

VOTE: PeregrineV

I looked over his ISO but not super close. Nothing really jumped out at me, could you point out his scumminess please?

[reinoe]

I know somebody asked me a question but I was at work and phone viewing. Now that I'm home I can't find it. If someone had a question for me could you please just re-state it.

[House]

I know somebody asked me a question but I was at work and phone viewing. Now that I'm home I can't find it. If someone had a question for me could you please just re-state it.

I looked over his ISO but not super close. Nothing really jumped out at me, could you point out his scumminess please?

[House]

See

I'm endearing about it

I really wanted to sheep you when I was ISOing your posts. Sucks that you're scum, though.

[reinoe]

I know somebody asked me a question but I was at work and phone viewing. Now that I'm home I can't find it. If someone had a question for me could you please just re-state it.

I looked over his ISO but not super close. Nothing really jumped out at me, could you point out his scumminess please?

4479 wasn't what I was referring to but that is an interesting post you just made.

For example, you have no concerns about my suspicions on notscience or skybird. You immediately jump to question my suspicions on PeregrineV but not the other two.

To be honest I'm kinda exhausted banging my head against the wall on PeregrineV. I've made case after case after case. Nobody refutes anything but his wagon never takes off.

Mirhawk got a bigger wagon on him when nobody even specified why he was scum. Yet when it comes to Majiffy or PeregrineV nothing ever happens.

[House]

For example, you have no concerns about my suspicions on notscience or skybird.

Why would I ask about town-skybird or scum-notscience?

[House]

To be honest I'm kinda exhausted banging my head against the wall on PeregrineV. I've made case after case after case. Nobody refutes anything but his wagon never takes off.

Awesome, so I'll ISO you instead of him.

That's all you had to say, brah.

[House]

There's two scum in Pere/zmuffin/Majiffy

Look at how impossible it was to wagon them compAres to the ease of the tn5421 Lynch.

Also nice gambit Titus.

What was the reasoning behind this? Just difficulty of building a wagon on them?

[House]

why is PV scum other than being PV

explain it to me like you're make-believing i'm not reading the game

tl/dr

1)neighborhood process of elimination.

2)nobody had any reason to call Aeronaut town. I would accept someone calling him null, but not town.

3)Peregrine whines about "nobody listening to the dead" so why doesn't Pere do an analysis of what the dead players had to say? My analysis of what dead players had to say actually supports point 2: all the dead players were calling Aero scum or would be fine with Aero's lynch. Pere was calling Aero town.

4)Based on my limited experience of half a game with Pere in HarryPotter: prisoners of azkaban I have a meta reason. His play looks really town initially during the first day phase of the game, then he coasts on that cred by being generally useless. I noticed during HP:POA that Pere was making content filled posts in other areas of the forum and I was starting to change my read on him but then I subbed out of that game.

If this is the damning case against him, I'm unimpressed. You seriously think scum is going to throw themselves out there like that for another scum? If Aero had been town, I'd have bought this reasoning.

[shaddowez]

Hey peoples, you know that one player that everyone keeps calling scum but never gets lynched, but then at the end of the game they turn out to be scum? That's PeregrineV. He keeps getting called scum but never gets lynched.

Actually, I was thinking something along these lines earlier tonight. Out of curiosity, I did a VCA, focusing on Peregrine. I found some interesting results - the first, overarching point is that he's

never

been on a wagon that ended up in a lynch. Here's the breakdown:

D1 - Starts with an RVS vote on Elyse (conftown), then moves to Psyche (probtown - Mason) as the second vote. He then moves to tn (conftown), then moves to RoyalApe where he stays through Aegor's lynch (conftown).
D2 - Doesn't vote at all through Aero's lynch (confscum), and gives me a hard time about not being on the Aero wagon in 3812.
D3 - His first vote of the day is on Marquis (probtown - Mason), then moves to a vote on me ({conf}town) where he stays through tn's lynch (conftown).
D4 - First vote of the day is again on Marquis, again where he stays until the Oka lynch (conftown).

He hasn't placed a vote on anybody that hasn't turned up town yet, and since day one has pretty much been planting his vote. Additionally, the people he's been voting haven't generally had wagons forming, so he's able to keep them there without risk of a townie lynch. He also has plausible deniability of never lynching a townie.

After this review and my last post regarding his scum-location, I'm convinced.

VOTE: Pere

[House]

Sheeping shaddowez because I like his thought process (overall, not specifically the post above). He's my strongest town read.

VOTE: PerV

[reinoe]

For example, you have no concerns about my suspicions on notscience or skybird.

Why would I ask about town-skybird or scum-notscience?

You have no concerns about why I'm calling your townread scum? Most people inquire about that sort of thing. I'm not saying we need to have a bare knuckle brawl of words that lasts page after page about it, but if someone has a completely opposite read than me I usually ask about it.

[House]

For example, you have no concerns about my suspicions on notscience or skybird.

Why would I ask about town-skybird or scum-notscience?

You have no concerns about why I'm calling your townread scum? Most people inquire about that sort of thing. I'm not saying we need to have a bare knuckle brawl of words that lasts page after page about it, but if someone has a completely opposite read than me I usually ask about it.

Yeah, but I'm more accepting of my stupidity.

[House]

Also, a bit trollish.

I am interested in the opinions of those whose judgment I trust.

[House]

Also, a bit trollish.

I am interested in the opinions of those whose judgment I trust.

Okay, that was worded really poorly.

What I was going for was that it's a matter of priority. If somebody is scum reading one of my town reads but not pushing for a lynch, I don't lend that opinion much credence.

When someone is scum reading one of my town reads and starts advocating a wagon, that piques my interest.

I can't blame you if you were offended by my previous post. Sorry.

[gameplay506]

Oh pere is at L-1. Should I hammer?

Also if its not him then pine/shadow might be it.

[House]

Oh pere is at L-1. Should I hammer?

Also if its not him then pine/shadow might be it.

I'm not voting Shaddowez.

[gameplay506]

And you like how shadow jumped after the wagon got popular? Ye,no

[reinoe]

UNVOTE: PeregrineV
I'd like to at least hear what Marquis/Psyche have to say about Pere and the wagon in general.

[House]

And you like how shadow jumped after the wagon got popular? Ye,no

I like how shaddowez can provide rationale for his reads. Timing is incidental if the logic is sound.

[reinoe]

OK, did a quick ISO and it's all good.

VOTE: PeregrineV