Mini 1617 - Mafia with a Twist 2 (It's Over!)

Thesp · Post Post #0 (isolation #0) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:27 am

Mini 1617 - Mafia with a Twist 2: Democracy Inaction

Player List

Feirei
Honey bee
ika
Klazam
mathcam
MTD
Natirasha
Save the Dragons
Untrod Tripod
Wolfy
xRECKONERx

Spoiler: Living/Dead Players

Status

: It's over!

Deadline

: None.

*This deadline updates automatically, and should be current as of when the page is refreshed.

Spoiler: Votecounter Settings

Thesp · Post Post #1 (isolation #1) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:28 am

Mafia with a Twist 2: Title to be Revealed

Mafia with a Twist

is a series of games designed with a twist in mind. They are individual, one-shot games which will likely never be able to be duplicated again by anyone with knowledge of the game. Twists may be subtle, crazy, or perhaps even non-existent (itself being the twist!), but it is my hope that the game will be memorable.
Previous games:
Mafia with a Twist 1: The OK Corral

Game Mechanic Expectations

This game has a strong possibility of being distinctly non-normal.

I reserve the right to be considered a “bastard mod” in this game.

If you are looking for a normal-ish game with flavor, then this game is not for you.

Please consider your ability to play the game to completion before signup.

The nature of the game may be such that replacing causes an undue strain on the game in a way more damaging than to typical games.

Games may be wildly unbalanced.

I have tried my very best to make games as balanced as possible, but due to the nature of each twist, that may not always be possible. Some factions may have an easier or harder time of things in any given Mafia with a Twist game. If you are expecting perfect balance or dislike swinginess in games, then this game may not be for you.

Gameplay Expectations

Games will feature strict two-week day deadlines.

The circumstances under which this will be extended will be exceedingly rare. Lynches at deadline will be the single-highest vote-getter, with ties being broken under the longest-held-last-vote principle. I will be providing a link to my votecounting app so you should be able to obtain your own votecount at any given moment, but I expect to be posting regular votecounts so often that you will rarely (if ever) need to rely upon it.

I will be enforcing a “don’t be a jerk” rule.

I don’t expect to ever need to use it (and have come across very few instances where such a thing would be warranted), but we’re playing a game to have fun. Personal attacks which make the game unfun for players will be dealt with by warnings, or in extreme cases, forced replacement.

Signup Restrictions

Hydra accounts will not be accepted into this game.

No exceptions.

Players in this game should have a minimum of 2 completed games on this site before signing up for this game.

I strongly recommend having at least 5 games of experience under your belt before signing up. I reserve the right to waive this requirement, but I have zero expectation that I will do so. I will not be accepting pre-/ins for this game, unless you have replaced into a game (and lasted until the end of it) in which I have played or moderated.

Good luck.

Thesp · Post Post #2 (isolation #2) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:30 am

Notes on this game

Please take note of the post immediately preceding this one. It contains important information about what to expect in this game.
There are 0-13 players who received this Townie Role PM:
Townie Role PM wrote:Hello, XXXXXXX! Here is your Role PM for Mafia with a Twist 2: Title to be Revealed.

You are a
Townie
. Your only power is that of the all-important vote, so use it well!

You win when all threats to the Town have been killed.

Please confirm via reply PM, telling me what happens at the deadline of any day. (This is how I ensure you have at least glanced at my rules.) The game will begin after all players have responded, and at least 72 hours have passed, in order to allow night-talking groups to communicate before the game.

Game-specific rules:

Don't be a jerk.
Discussions can get heated and sometimes people swear, and that's okay. That happens! But don't be a jerk. If you want to play a game and be a jerk, there are plenty of others on this site you can join.
I expect to enforce this rule if needed, and I expect I won't need to.
I reserve the ability to use any manner of tools to enforce this, including but not limited to warnings or forced replacements. I don't expect to involuntarily replace you unless you've been clearly warned, or the violation is particularly egregious.
Playing to win does not preclude being considerate to others.
Please use vote tags when making your votes. For example, VOTE: Kristen. If you can't be bothered to use vote tags, your vote must be bolded and use a colon, such as
Vote: Kristen
. I am using an automatic votecounter to assist me, and if you don't use either of these formats, it will have problems and make my job more difficult. If a vote is made with incorrect tags, I reserve the right to edit your post solely to correct the formatting of your vote.
This game will begin in Day. Days will last 14 real-time days (excluding Sundays), and Nights will last for 2 real-time days (excluding Sundays). Deadlines will not be extended except in extraordinary circumstances.
At any deadline, a simple plurality will successfully lynch a player, using the longest-held-last-vote method to break ties.
Please do not use or mimic the [ ooc ] tag. If I need to make edits in players' posts, I will use this tag.

Generic rules:

Unless stated otherwise by the moderator or in these rules, the follow are controlling:
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... Game_Rules
Lynchings will require a simple majority of votes. Once a player has reached the necessary majority, his pleas are useless and any attempts to unvote will be unheeded. You may
Vote: No Lynch
– 50% of living players must do this to end the day without a death.
Once your death scene has been posted, you’re dead. Stop typing.
Pretending to break a rule will be treated as if breaking a rule.
Remember, it’s a game. Have fun!

Thesp · Post Post #3 (isolation #3) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:20 am

Day 1 begins.

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Thesp · Post Post #5 (isolation #4) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:34 am

In post 4, Untrod Tripod wrote:ladies

vote Reck

Don't forget - please either use the official vote tag, or use a colon when you vote. The votecounter can't pick up a vote if it doesn't have a colon. Thanks!

Thesp · Post Post #31 (isolation #5) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:42 am

Official Vote Count

ika

(3): Honey bee, Klazam, Save The Dragons

Save The Dragons

(2): Untrod Tripod, xRECKONERx

Untrod Tripod

(1): mathcam

Natirasha

(1): Wolfy

Feirei

(1): Hostile Intent

Not Voting

(5): Mathdino, Natirasha, ika, Feirei, MTD

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-10-27 10:00:00)

Mathdino's vote for "Thesp" has been ignored, as Thesp is not a player nor votable in this game.

Thesp · Post Post #60 (isolation #6) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:23 am

Official Vote Count

Save The Dragons

(5): Untrod Tripod, xRECKONERx, Hostile Intent, Honey bee, Mathdino

ika

(2): Klazam, Save The Dragons

Untrod Tripod

(1): mathcam

Natirasha

(1): Wolfy

mathcam

(1): Natirasha

Not Voting

(3): ika, Feirei, MTD

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-10-27 10:00:00)

Thesp · Post Post #84 (isolation #7) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:36 am

Official Vote Count

Save The Dragons

(4): Untrod Tripod, xRECKONERx, Hostile Intent, Honey bee

ika

(2): Klazam, Save The Dragons

Honey bee

(1): Natirasha

Mathdino

(1): ika

Hostile Intent

(1): MTD

Untrod Tripod

(1): mathcam

Natirasha

(1): Wolfy

Not Voting

(2): Feirei, Mathdino

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-10-27 10:00:00)

Thesp · Post Post #100 (isolation #8) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:07 am

Official Vote Count

Save The Dragons

(4): Untrod Tripod, xRECKONERx, Hostile Intent, Honey bee

Honey bee

(1): Natirasha

Mathdino

(1): ika

Hostile Intent

(1): MTD

Untrod Tripod

(1): mathcam

Natirasha

(1): Wolfy

ika

(1): Klazam

Not Voting

(3): Save The Dragons, Feirei, Mathdino

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-10-27 10:00:00)

Thesp · Post Post #105 (isolation #9) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:14 am

In post 94, ika wrote:klazam legit question: what color is your role pm?

Please re-familiarize yourself with the Boilerplate Mafiascum Game Rules cited in the first few posts, specifically the one that says, "Do not attempt to analyze the mechanics of a role PM in comparison to other players. For example, 'the fourth word of my role PM is town.' Or 'my PM was sent at 11:23, when was yours?'."

Thesp · Post Post #112 (isolation #10) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:22 am

In post 110, Mathdino wrote:
In post 94, ika wrote:klazam legit question: what color is your role pm?

Mod, is this legal?

No.

Thesp · Post Post #126 (isolation #11) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:51 am

Official Vote Count

Save The Dragons

(3): Untrod Tripod, xRECKONERx, Hostile Intent

Mathdino

(2): Honey bee, ika

Hostile Intent

(1): MTD

Honey bee

(1): Natirasha

Untrod Tripod

(1): mathcam

Natirasha

(1): Wolfy

Feirei

(1): Klazam

Not Voting

(3): Save The Dragons, Feirei, Mathdino

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-10-27 10:00:00)

edit - corrected ika's vote for Mathdino, which was erroneously listed on Hostile Intent.
edit - and correcting Klazam's vote for Feirei, which was erroneously attributed to Save the Dragons. How embarassing - that will teach me to ignore my votecounter's warnings.

Thesp · Post Post #152 (isolation #12) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:43 am

Official Vote Count

Save The Dragons

(3): Untrod Tripod, xRECKONERx, Hostile Intent

Mathdino

(2): ika, Honey bee

Hostile Intent

(2): MTD, Save The Dragons

Honey bee

(1): Natirasha

Untrod Tripod

(1): mathcam

Natirasha

(1): Wolfy

Feirei

(1): Klazam

Not Voting

(2): Feirei, Mathdino

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-10-27 10:00:00)

Thesp · Post Post #199 (isolation #13) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:47 am

page top bump

Thesp · Post Post #200 (isolation #14) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:47 am

Official Vote Count

Save The Dragons

(4): Untrod Tripod, xRECKONERx, Hostile Intent, ika

Hostile Intent

(3): MTD, Save The Dragons, Feirei

Honey bee

(1): Natirasha

Mathdino

(1): Honey bee

Untrod Tripod

(1): mathcam

Natirasha

(1): Wolfy

ika

(1): Mathdino

Not Voting

(1): Klazam

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-10-27 10:00:00)

Thesp · Post Post #250 (isolation #15) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:39 am

Official Vote Count

Save The Dragons

(4): Untrod Tripod, xRECKONERx, Hostile Intent, ika

Hostile Intent

(3): MTD, Feirei, Save The Dragons

ika

(3): Mathdino, mathcam, Klazam

Honey bee

(1): Natirasha

Mathdino

(1): Honey bee

Natirasha

(1): Wolfy

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-10-27 10:00:00)

Thesp · Post Post #279 (isolation #16) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:02 am

Official Vote Count

Save The Dragons

(4): Untrod Tripod, xRECKONERx, Hostile Intent, ika

Hostile Intent

(3): MTD, Feirei, Save The Dragons

ika

(3): Mathdino, mathcam, Klazam

Honey bee

(1): Natirasha

Mathdino

(1): Honey bee

Natirasha

(1): Wolfy

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-10-27 10:00:00)

Thesp · Post Post #300 (isolation #17) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:42 am

Official Vote Count

Save The Dragons

(4): Untrod Tripod, xRECKONERx, Hostile Intent, ika

Hostile Intent

(3): MTD, Feirei, Save The Dragons

ika

(3): Mathdino, mathcam, Klazam

Honey bee

(1): Natirasha

Mathdino

(1): Honey bee

Natirasha

(1): Wolfy

Not Voting

(0):

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-10-27 10:00:00)

Thesp · Post Post #327 (isolation #18) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:54 am

Official Vote Count

Hostile Intent

(4): MTD, Feirei, Save The Dragons, Natirasha

Save The Dragons

(4): Untrod Tripod, xRECKONERx, Hostile Intent, ika

ika

(3): Mathdino, mathcam, Klazam

Mathdino

(1): Honey bee

Natirasha

(1): Wolfy

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-10-27 10:00:00)

Thesp · Post Post #334 (isolation #19) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:33 am

Official Vote Count

Hostile Intent

(7): MTD, Feirei, Save The Dragons, Natirasha, Mathdino, Untrod Tripod, xRECKONERx

Save The Dragons

(2): Hostile Intent, ika

ika

(2): mathcam, Klazam

Mathdino

(1): Honey bee

Natirasha

(1): Wolfy

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-10-27 10:00:00)

Thesp · Post Post #335 (isolation #20) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:35 am

As Hostile Intent is being led to the gallows, he sees a gun strapped to the gallows. A historical artifact, the gun was put there long ago in case there was ever an issue with the lynchee simply not dying, as a way to “cut the Gordian knot”, so to speak. Ironic. In any case, Hostile Intent sees his moment, grabs the gun, and takes a shot at…

Hostile Intent is granted an immediate vengeful kill. Please submit a PM to me with the name of the player you wish to kill ASAP. The game will not resume until this has occurred.

Thesp · Post Post #337 (isolation #21) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:26 pm

Mathdino collapses, dead. A quick search of his body uncovers that he is just a townie. Meanwhile, the only bullet from the old gun has been fired, and Hostile Intent is strung up pretty quickly.

Hostile Intent, Townie, has been lynched.
Mathdino, Townie, has been killed.

The thought of a Mafia still around in town unnerves you to the core of your being. There’s a general murmur among the crowd that these deaths weren’t enough, and no one wants to endure the chaos of today’s events again. After some proper decorum and Robert’s Rules of Order, you devise a reasonable plan to systematically kill everyone in the town who needs to be killed.

Mafia with a Twist 2: Democracy Inaction

Please read this very carefully. Your alignment has not changed, but your abilities and exact win condition may have changed.

Every player must submit a list of all players remaining in this game,

ranked by order of preferred lynching

.

The first name on the list should be the player you want to lynch the most. The second name on the list should be the player you want to lynch the second most. You may not rank two players equally.

Exception: the mafia will consult and submit a single list, and will have one collective vote among them.

There will be no nights. There will be no night actions, and no nightkills for the remainder of the game. Every day starting with Day 2, there will be an election using the ballots submitted tonight. Whoever “wins” the election will be lynched. The next day there will be a new election using the surviving players’ ballots. This will continue, until one faction has won.

Ballot methodology

The votes will be counted using Single Transferable Vote or Instant Run-off Voting. The winner of the poll will be lynched. The next day I will conduct a new poll among the survivors, ignoring any votes for dead players. This will continue until one side has fulfilled its win condition. For a very similar example of this in a previously run game, you can see this example.

Tiebreaker rules

STV/IRV sometimes requires ties to be resolved. I'll follow the tiebreaker rules below, but it may happen that I need to devise further tiebreaker rules. In that case I will devise an ad hoc rule that I think is fair (including potentially using ballots of deceased players). In any case, I doubt that this will be necessary.
The tiebreaking procedure is described in detail in the spoiler here:

Spoiler: Tiebreaking procedures
(1) Check for lynch. If lynch achieved, lynch and proceed to next vote.
(2) Eliminate all players not voted for.
(3) Eliminate all players with the fewest number of votes and re-evaluate vote, unless this would eliminate multiple people while leaving only one candidate.
(4) Of the players with the fewest votes, eliminate the one with the fewest votes in the most recent votecount, and proceeding back votecount by votecount to break the tie. If there remains a tie, elminate all such tied players unless it leaves a single player remaining.
(5) If there still remains a tie, use the ballot of the most recently lynched player to break the tie.
(6) If this is not possible (as in Day 1), find the Condorcet loser(s) and eliminate that player(s).
(7) If there is an unforeseen tie remaining, I will use my best judgment to arrive at the most satisfactory conclusion possible.

Win Conditions

The Town wins if all the Mafia are lynched.
The Mafia win if (a) all the Townies are lynched; or (b) only 2 players remain alive, one of whom is Mafia.
The game will not end in any other case (including, for example, if there are 2 Mafia and 2 Townies; or even 2 Mafia and 1 Townie). Even the Mafia in this village respect parliamentary procedure and democracy.

I will follow this notice up with a PM to every player. N1 will remain open until all ballots are received, which should ideally be within 72 hours.

When I have received all ballots from players, I will create a separate chit-chat thread for everyone to join in, and give you a heads-up as to when the tallying will commence, so that players may watch the final curtain fall together, ballot by ballot.

Thesp · Post Post #338 (isolation #22) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:27 pm

Here is an example of the lynching procedure from start to finish. I created this random distribution weeks before the game went into signups. In this example, the Mafia is composed of Adam, Bob, and Christie. Feel free to ask me any questions about how anything here was adjudicated.

Spoiler: Sample Vote (generated before the game)

Thesp · Post Post #339 (isolation #23) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:16 am

Attention everyone: The final lynching will begin at 10AM Central US time, in

(expired on 2014-10-17 10:00:00)

.

Thesp · Post Post #340 (isolation #24) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:55 am

Initial Ballots

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Untrod Tripod	Honey bee	Natirasha	ika	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy
ika	ika	Save the Dragons	Feirei	Untrod Tripod	Feirei	Feirei	xRECKONERx	Untrod Tripod
Save the Dragons	Untrod Tripod	Wolfy	MTD	ika	Honey bee	ika	Untrod Tripod	ika
Natirasha	Feirei	Feirei	Wolfy	MTD	Save the Dragons	MTD	Wolfy	Save the Dragons
Honey bee	Wolfy	Honey bee	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Klazam	Honey bee	MTD	mathcam
Wolfy	Natirasha	Klazam	Untrod Tripod	Feirei	mathcam	Klazam	Klazam	Natirasha
xRECKONERx	Honey bee	mathcam	Klazam	Wolfy	Natirasha	Natirasha	Natirasha	Feirei
mathcam	Klazam	MTD	xRECKONERx	xRECKONERx	MTD	Untrod Tripod	Honey bee	xRECKONERx
Untrod Tripod	mathcam	ika	Save the Dragons	Klazam	Untrod Tripod	Wolfy	mathcam	Klazam
Feirei	MTD	Natirasha	Natirasha	Honey bee	Wolfy	xRECKONERx	Feirei	MTD
MTD	Save the Dragons	xRECKONERx	ika	mathcam	xRECKONERx	Save the Dragons	ika	Honey bee
Klazam	xRECKONERx	Untrod Tripod	Honey bee	Natirasha	ika	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy

Thesp · Post Post #341 (isolation #25) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:00 am

I suppose it's time to get to lynchin', you reckon?

I reckon.

Day 2

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Untrod Tripod	Honey bee	Natirasha	ika	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy
ika	ika	Save the Dragons	Feirei	Untrod Tripod	Feirei	Feirei	xRECKONERx	Untrod Tripod
Save the Dragons	Untrod Tripod	Wolfy	MTD	ika	Honey bee	ika	Untrod Tripod	ika
Natirasha	Feirei	Feirei	Wolfy	MTD	Save the Dragons	MTD	Wolfy	Save the Dragons
Honey bee	Wolfy	Honey bee	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Klazam	Honey bee	MTD	mathcam
Wolfy	Natirasha	Klazam	Untrod Tripod	Feirei	mathcam	Klazam	Klazam	Natirasha
xRECKONERx	Honey bee	mathcam	Klazam	Wolfy	Natirasha	Natirasha	Natirasha	Feirei
mathcam	Klazam	MTD	xRECKONERx	xRECKONERx	MTD	Untrod Tripod	Honey bee	xRECKONERx
Untrod Tripod	mathcam	ika	Save the Dragons	Klazam	Untrod Tripod	Wolfy	mathcam	Klazam
Feirei	MTD	Natirasha	Natirasha	Honey bee	Wolfy	xRECKONERx	Feirei	MTD
MTD	Save the Dragons	xRECKONERx	ika	mathcam	xRECKONERx	Save the Dragons	ika	Honey bee
Klazam	xRECKONERx	Untrod Tripod	Honey bee	Natirasha	ika	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy

Vote Count 2.1

Feirei

(3): Honey bee, ika, mathcam

ika

(2): xRECKONERx, Mafia

Untrod Tripod

(2): Wolfy, Natirasha

Save the Dragons

(1): Untrod Tripod

xRECKONERx

(1): Save the Dragons

All players but Feirei, ika, and Untrod Tripod are eliminated.

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Untrod Tripod	Honey bee	Natirasha	ika	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy
ika	ika	Feirei	Feirei	Untrod Tripod	Feirei	Feirei	Untrod Tripod	Untrod Tripod
Untrod Tripod	Untrod Tripod	ika	Untrod Tripod	ika	Untrod Tripod	ika	Feirei	ika
Feirei	Feirei	Untrod Tripod	ika	Feirei	ika	Untrod Tripod	ika	Feirei

Vote Count 2.2

Feirei

(4): Honey bee, Untrod Tripod, ika, mathcam

Untrod Tripod

(3): Save the Dragons, Wolfy, Natirasha

ika

(2): xRECKONERx, Mafia

ika is eliminated.

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Untrod Tripod	Honey bee	Natirasha	ika	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy
Untrod Tripod	Untrod Tripod	Feirei	Feirei	Untrod Tripod	Feirei	Feirei	Untrod Tripod	Untrod Tripod
Feirei	Feirei	Untrod Tripod	Untrod Tripod	Feirei	Untrod Tripod	Untrod Tripod	Feirei	Feirei

Vote Count 2.3

Untrod Tripod

(5): xRECKONERx, Save the Dragons, Wolfy, Natirasha, Mafia

Feirei

(4): Honey bee, Untrod Tripod, ika, mathcam

Untrod Tripod, Townie

, has been lynched.

Thesp · Post Post #342 (isolation #26) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:03 am

Day 3

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	ika	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy
ika	ika	Feirei	ika	Feirei	Feirei	xRECKONERx	ika
Save the Dragons	Feirei	MTD	MTD	Honey bee	ika	Wolfy	Save the Dragons
Natirasha	Wolfy	Wolfy	Save the Dragons	Save the Dragons	MTD	MTD	mathcam
Honey bee	Natirasha	mathcam	Feirei	Klazam	Honey bee	Klazam	Natirasha
Wolfy	Honey bee	Klazam	Wolfy	mathcam	Klazam	Natirasha	Feirei
xRECKONERx	Klazam	xRECKONERx	xRECKONERx	Natirasha	Natirasha	Honey bee	xRECKONERx
mathcam	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Klazam	MTD	Wolfy	mathcam	Klazam
Feirei	MTD	Natirasha	Honey bee	Wolfy	xRECKONERx	Feirei	MTD
MTD	Save the Dragons	ika	mathcam	xRECKONERx	Save the Dragons	ika	Honey bee
Klazam	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	ika	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy

Vote Count 3.1

ika

(4): xRECKONERx, Wolfy, Natirasha, Mafia

Feirei

(3): Honey bee, ika, mathcam

xRECKONERx

(1): Save the Dragons

All players but ika and Feirei are eliminated.

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	ika	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy
ika	ika	Feirei	ika	Feirei	Feirei	Feirei	ika
Feirei	Feirei	ika	Feirei	ika	ika	ika	Feirei

Vote Count 3.2

Feirei

(4): Honey bee, Save the Dragons, ika, mathcam

ika

(4): xRECKONERx, Wolfy, Natirasha, Mafia

ika "wins" the tiebreaker by virtue of having more votes in the previous votecount (VC 3.1).

ika, Townie

, has been lynched!

Thesp · Post Post #343 (isolation #27) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:06 am

Day 4

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy
Save the Dragons	Feirei	Feirei	MTD	Feirei	xRECKONERx	Save the Dragons
Natirasha	Wolfy	MTD	Save the Dragons	MTD	Wolfy	mathcam
Honey bee	Natirasha	Wolfy	Feirei	Honey bee	MTD	Natirasha
Wolfy	Honey bee	mathcam	Wolfy	Klazam	Klazam	Feirei
xRECKONERx	Klazam	Klazam	xRECKONERx	Natirasha	Natirasha	xRECKONERx
mathcam	mathcam	xRECKONERx	Klazam	Wolfy	Honey bee	Klazam
Feirei	MTD	Save the Dragons	Honey bee	xRECKONERx	mathcam	MTD
MTD	Save the Dragons	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Feirei	Honey bee
Klazam	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy

Vote Count 4.1

Feirei

(3): Honey bee, xRECKONERx, mathcam

Save the Dragons

(2): Wolfy, Mafia

MTD

(1): Natirasha

xRECKONERx

(1): Save the Dragons

All players but Feirei and Save the Dragons are eliminated.

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy
Save the Dragons	Feirei	Feirei	Save the Dragons	Feirei	Feirei	Save the Dragons
Feirei	Save the Dragons	Save the Dragons	Feirei	Save the Dragons	Save the Dragons	Feirei

Vote Count 4.2

Feirei

(4): Honey bee, xRECKONERx, Save the Dragons, mathcam

Save the Dragons

(3): Wolfy, Natirasha, Mafia

Feirei,

Mafia

, has been lynched!

Thesp · Post Post #344 (isolation #28) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:09 am

Day 5

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy
Save the Dragons	Wolfy	MTD	MTD	MTD	xRECKONERx	Save the Dragons
Natirasha	Natirasha	Wolfy	Save the Dragons	Honey bee	Wolfy	mathcam
Honey bee	Honey bee	mathcam	Wolfy	Klazam	MTD	Natirasha
Wolfy	Klazam	Klazam	xRECKONERx	Natirasha	Klazam	xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx	mathcam	xRECKONERx	Klazam	Wolfy	Natirasha	Klazam
mathcam	MTD	Save the Dragons	Honey bee	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	MTD
MTD	Save the Dragons	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons	mathcam	Honey bee
Klazam	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy

Vote Count 5.1

MTD

(3): Honey bee, Natirasha, mathcam

Save the Dragons

(2): Wolfy, Mafia

Wolfy

(1): xRECKONERx

xRECKONERx

(1): Save the Dragons

All players but MTD and Save the Dragons are eliminated.

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy
Save the Dragons	MTD	MTD	MTD	MTD	MTD	Save the Dragons
MTD	Save the Dragons	Save the Dragons	Save the Dragons	Save the Dragons	Save the Dragons	MTD

Vote Count 5.2

MTD

(5): Honey bee, xRECKONERx, Save the Dragons, Natirasha, mathcam

Save the Dragons

(2): Wolfy, Mafia

MTD,

Mafia

, has been lynched!

Thesp · Post Post #345 (isolation #29) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:12 am

Day 6

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy
Save the Dragons	Wolfy	Wolfy	Save the Dragons	Honey bee	xRECKONERx	Save the Dragons
Natirasha	Natirasha	mathcam	Wolfy	Klazam	Wolfy	mathcam
Honey bee	Honey bee	Klazam	xRECKONERx	Natirasha	Klazam	Natirasha
Wolfy	Klazam	xRECKONERx	Klazam	Wolfy	Natirasha	xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Honey bee	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Klazam
mathcam	Save the Dragons	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons	mathcam	Honey bee
Klazam	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy

Vote Count 6.1

Save the Dragons

(3): Wolfy, Natirasha, Mafia

Wolfy

(2): Honey bee, xRECKONERx

Honey bee

(1): mathcam

xRECKONERx

(1): Save the Dragons

All players but Save the Dragons and Wolfy are eliminated.

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Wolfy
Save the Dragons	Wolfy	Wolfy	Save the Dragons	Wolfy	Wolfy	Save the Dragons
Wolfy	Save the Dragons	Save the Dragons	Wolfy	Save the Dragons	Save the Dragons	Wolfy

Vote Count 6.2

Wolfy

(4): Honey bee, xRECKONERx, Save the Dragons, mathcam

Save the Dragons

(3): Wolfy, Natirasha, Mafia

Wolfy, Townie

, has been lynched!

Thesp · Post Post #346 (isolation #30) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:15 am

Day 7

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons
Save the Dragons	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Honey bee	xRECKONERx
Natirasha	Honey bee	Klazam	xRECKONERx	Klazam	Klazam
Honey bee	Klazam	xRECKONERx	Klazam	Natirasha	Natirasha
xRECKONERx	mathcam	Save the Dragons	Honey bee	xRECKONERx	Honey bee
mathcam	Save the Dragons	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons	mathcam
Klazam	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons

Vote Count 7.1

Save the Dragons

(2): Natirasha, Mafia

mathcam

(1): Honey bee

Natirasha

(1): xRECKONERx

Honey bee

(1): mathcam

xRECKONERx

(1): Save the Dragons

All non-voted are eliminated. mathcam and Natirasha are eliminated by virtue of Vote Count 6.1.

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons
Save the Dragons	Honey bee	xRECKONERx	Save the Dragons	Honey bee	xRECKONERx
Honey bee	Save the Dragons	Save the Dragons	xRECKONERx	xRECKONERx	Honey bee
xRECKONERx	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Honey bee	Save the Dragons	Save the Dragons

Vote Count 7.2

Save the Dragons

(2): Natirasha, Mafia

Honey bee

(2): xRECKONERx, mathcam

xRECKONERx

(2): Honey bee, Save the Dragons

Honey bee is eliminated by virtue of Vote Count 5.1. (By way of explanation: Save the Dragons has the most votes in the most recent vote count, and is preserved. Between Honey bee and xRECKONERx, the most recent votecount where they are not tied is VC 5.1.)

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	mathcam	Save the Dragons
Save the Dragons	Save the Dragons	xRECKONERx	Save the Dragons	xRECKONERx	xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx	xRECKONERx	Save the Dragons	xRECKONERx	Save the Dragons	Save the Dragons

Vote Count 7.3

Save the Dragons

(3): xRECKONERx, Natirasha, Mafia

xRECKONERx

(3): Honey bee, Save the Dragons, mathcam

Save the Dragons "wins" the tie-breaker by virtue of having the most votes in Vote Count 7.1.

Save the Dragons, Townie

, has been lynched!

Thesp · Post Post #347 (isolation #31) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:18 am

Day 8

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	mathcam
Natirasha	Natirasha	mathcam	xRECKONERx	Honey bee
Honey bee	Honey bee	Klazam	Klazam	Klazam
xRECKONERx	Klazam	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha
mathcam	mathcam	Natirasha	mathcam	xRECKONERx
Klazam	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	mathcam

Vote Count 8.1

Natirasha

(2): Mafia, xRECKONERx

mathcam

(1): Honey bee

Honey bee

(1): mathcam

xRECKONERx

(1): Natirasha

All players but Natirasha and xRECKONERx are eliminated (Natirasha + xRECKONERx in VC 7.3)

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	Natirasha	mathcam
Natirasha	Natirasha	xRECKONERx	xRECKONERx	Natirasha
xRECKONERx	xRECKONERx	Natirasha	Natirasha	xRECKONERx

Vote Count 8.2

Natirasha

(3): mathcam, Mafia, xRECKONERx

xRECKONERx

(2): Natirasha, Honey bee

Natirasha, Townie

, is lynched!

Thesp · Post Post #348 (isolation #32) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:21 am

Day 9

Mafia	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	mathcam
Honey bee	Honey bee	mathcam	Honey bee
xRECKONERx	Klazam	Klazam	Klazam
mathcam	mathcam	xRECKONERx	xRECKONERx
Klazam	xRECKONERx	Honey bee	mathcam

Vote Count 9.1

Honey bee

(3): mathcam, Mafia, xRECKONERx

mathcam

(1): Honey bee

Honey bee, Townie

, is lynched!

Thesp · Post Post #349 (isolation #33) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:24 am

Day 10

Mafia	xRECKONERx	mathcam
xRECKONERx	Klazam	Klazam
mathcam	mathcam	xRECKONERx
Klazam	xRECKONERx	mathcam

Vote Count

Klazam

(2): mathcam, xRECKONERx

xRECKONERx

(1): Mafia

Klazam,

Mafia

, has been lynched!

Town wins in a nailbiter!

Thesp · Post Post #350 (isolation #34) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:30 am

Mafia Private Thread
Viewing Party

I'll have some more thoughts up later, but I'll note that this was much closer than I was expecting. Klazam did a heck of a job not getting lynched, and had xRECKONERx flipped his 7th & 8th votes (for Klazam & mathcam), it would have been a Mafia win (!).

Thesp · Post Post #357 (isolation #35) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:16 am

In post 356, Honey bee wrote:I'm really interested in the balance choices of this, since in the example all the mafia had a ballot. I felt like this system leaned townie but maybe not.

mith seemed to think it was about 50/50 after the vengeful kill (which was his great suggestion - mafia would have gotten one as well had they been lynched). I think if a mafia member can get in really tight with the town, they can win it for their side as Klazam nearly did. Honey bee and mathcam being generally trustworthy and having great ballots (and xRECKONERx being fairly trusted) really helped out the town here. I think both this game and the previous game reward generally good D1 play, which I'm happy with as a design result.

I've been worried about this particular setup being too brief or unfulfilling, especially when players were engaging very well on D1. However, response seems to have been generally positive, so hopefully enough of you enjoyed it that I haven't wasted your time. And if you didn't enjoy it, at least it was less than 48 hours of game posting.

Thesp · Post Post #358 (isolation #36) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:20 am

I can also accept pre-/ins for Mafia with a Twist 3 at this time. Please PM me if you wish to reserve a spot. (If I exceed my pre-/in limit, I'll still keep track of your interest and let you know when signups open.) Thanks!

Thesp · Post Post #373 (isolation #37) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:11 am

As an aside, here's the Python program I wrote to help me format and run the votes:

Spoiler: Democracy Inaction Python Program

Code: Select all

from collections import defaultdict

PLAYERS = ['Feirei', 'Honey bee', 'ika', 'Klazam', 'mathcam', 'MTD', 'Natirasha', 'Save the Dragons', 'Untrod Tripod', 'Wolfy', 'xRECKONERx']

MAFIA = ['Feirei', 'Klazam', 'MTD']

PLAYER_BALLOTS = [('Mafia',
                   ['ika', 'Save the Dragons', 'Natirasha', 'Honey bee', 'Wolfy', 'xRECKONERx', 'mathcam', 'Untrod Tripod', 'Feirei', 'MTD', 'Klazam']),
                  ('xRECKONERx',
                   ['ika', 'Untrod Tripod', 'Feirei', 'Wolfy', 'Natirasha', 'Honey bee', 'Klazam', 'mathcam', 'MTD', 'Save the Dragons', 'xRECKONERx']),
                  ('Untrod Tripod',
                   ['Save the Dragons', 'Wolfy', 'Feirei', 'Honey bee', 'Klazam', 'mathcam', 'MTD', 'ika', 'Natirasha', 'xRECKONERx', 'Untrod Tripod']),
                  ('Honey bee',
                   ['Feirei', 'MTD', 'Wolfy', 'mathcam', 'Untrod Tripod', 'Klazam', 'xRECKONERx', 'Save the Dragons', 'Natirasha', 'ika', 'Honey bee']),
                  ('Natirasha',
                   ['Untrod Tripod', 'ika', 'MTD', 'Save the Dragons', 'Feirei', 'Wolfy', 'xRECKONERx', 'Klazam', 'Honey bee', 'mathcam', 'Natirasha']),
                  ('ika',
                   ['Feirei', 'Honey bee', 'Save the Dragons', 'Klazam', 'mathcam', 'Natirasha', 'MTD', 'Untrod Tripod', 'Wolfy', 'xRECKONERx', 'ika']),
                  ('mathcam',
                   ['Feirei', 'ika', 'MTD', 'Honey bee', 'Klazam', 'Natirasha', 'Untrod Tripod', 'Wolfy', 'xRECKONERx', 'Save the Dragons', 'mathcam']),
                  ('Save the Dragons',
                   ['xRECKONERx', 'Untrod Tripod', 'Wolfy', 'MTD', 'Klazam', 'Natirasha', 'Honey bee', 'mathcam', 'Feirei', 'ika', 'Save the Dragons']),
                  ('Wolfy',
                   ['Untrod Tripod', 'ika', 'Save the Dragons', 'mathcam', 'Natirasha', 'Feirei', 'xRECKONERx', 'Klazam', 'MTD', 'Honey bee', 'Wolfy']),
                  ]

def verify_ballots(player_list, ballots):
    vote_error = '{0} is voting for "{1}", who does not appear to be in the game.'
    length_error = '{0} does not appear to be voting for the correct number of players.'
    errors = []
    for voter, votees in ballots:
        errors += [vote_error.format(voter, x) for x in votees \
                                               if x not in player_list]
        if (len(votees) != 11) or (len(set(votees)) != 11):
            errors.append(length_error.format(voter))
    return errors

def tablefy_ballots(ballots, eliminated_players, dead_players):
    ignored_players = eliminated_players + dead_players
    header_list = ['[header]{}[/header]'.format(x[0]) for x in ballots \
                     if x[0] not in dead_players]
    header = '[row]{}[/row]'.format(''.join(header_list))
    votes_list = [[x for x in ballot[1] if x not in ignored_players] \
                     for ballot in ballots if ballot[0] not in dead_players]
    flipped_votes_list = zip(*votes_list)
    rows = [['[cell]{}[/cell]'.format(x) for x in row] for row in flipped_votes_list]
    flattened = ['[row]{}[/row]'.format(''.join(row)) for row in rows]
    body = ''.join(flattened)
    table = '[table]{header}{body}[/table]'.format(header=header, body=body)
    return table


class IRV_Game:
    def __init__(self, player_list, ballots):
        errors = verify_ballots(player_list + ['Mafia'], ballots)
        if errors:
            print errors
            raise Exception('There were errors in the ballots. Please try again.')
        self.player_list = player_list
        self.ballots = ballots
        self.eliminated_players = []
        self.dead_players = []
        self.log = []

    @property
    def vote_table(self):
        return tablefy_ballots(self.ballots, self.eliminated_players, \
                               self.dead_players)

    @property
    def current_vote_count(self):
        ignored_players = self.eliminated_players + self.dead_players
        votes = {ballot[0]: [x for x in ballot[1] if x not in ignored_players][0] \
                 for ballot in self.ballots if ballot[0] not in self.dead_players}
        vote_count_dict = defaultdict(list)
        for k, v in votes.iteritems():
            vote_count_dict[v].append(k)
        vcl = sorted(vote_count_dict.items(), key=lambda x: len(x[1]), reverse=True)
        header = "[b][u]Vote Count[/u][/b]\n"
        body = '\n'.join(['[b]{votee}[/b] ({num}): {voters}'.format(votee=x[0],
                                                                    num=len(x[1]),
                                                                    voters=', '.join(x[1])) for x in vcl])
        return header + body

    @property
    def status(self):
        return self.vote_table + '\n' + self.current_vote_count

    @property
    def condorcet(self):
        votes = [[x for x in ballot[1] if x not in ignored_players] \
                 for ballot in self.ballots if ballot[0] not in self.dead_players]
        result = ''
        for vote in votes:
            result += '>'.join(vote) + '\n'
        return result

    def log_message(self, message, include_vc=False):
        self.log.append(message)
        print message
        if include_vc:
            self.log.append(self.vote_table + '/n' + self.current_vote_count)

    def kill_player(self, player_name):
        if player_name in self.player_list:
            self.dead_players.append(player_name)
            self.eliminated_players = []
            self.log_message('The dead players are now: {}'.format(', '.join(self.dead_players)))
        else:
            raise Exception('That player is not in the game. Player not killed.')

    def eliminate_player(self, player_name):
        if player_name in self.player_list:
            self.eliminated_players.append(player_name)
            self.log_message('The players eliminated from voting contention are now: {}'.format(', '.join(self.eliminated_players)), include_vc=True)
        else:
            raise Exception('That player is not in the game. Player not eliminated.')

    def eliminate_all_but(self, *all_but_list):
        for player in all_but_list:
            if player not in self.player_list:
                raise Exception('{} is not in the list of players.'.format(player))
        self.eliminated_players = [x for x in self.player_list if x not in all_but_list]
        self.log_message('The players eliminated from voting contention are now: {}'.format(', '.join(self.eliminated_players)), include_vc=True)

    def reset(self):
        self.eliminated_players = []
        self.dead_players = []
        self.log = []


game = IRV_Game(PLAYERS, PLAYER_BALLOTS)

Mafia	Dana	Edward	Francine	George	Heather	Irene	Joe	Kathy	Larry	Moe
Moe	Joe	Heather	Bob	Joe	Kathy	George	Bob	Bob	Christie	Larry
Joe	Moe	Larry	Joe	Kathy	Dana	Christie	Edward	Edward	Francine	George
Larry	Adam	Francine	Dana	Adam	Christie	Francine	George	Dana	Edward	Edward
George	Irene	Christie	George	Moe	George	Adam	Kathy	Francine	Kathy	Dana
Francine	George	Kathy	Moe	Irene	Francine	Kathy	Francine	Adam	Joe	Kathy
Kathy	Heather	Irene	Larry	Christie	Irene	Heather	Adam	Joe	Heather	Irene
Dana	Edward	George	Christie	Heather	Moe	Joe	Dana	Christie	Adam	Christie
Heather	Larry	Bob	Adam	Larry	Adam	Edward	Heather	Heather	Irene	Adam
Irene	Christie	Adam	Heather	Bob	Bob	Bob	Moe	Larry	Moe	Joe
Edward	Bob	Joe	Edward	Edward	Joe	Dana	Larry	Irene	Dana	Francine
Adam	Francine	Dana	Irene	Francine	Larry	Moe	Christie	Moe	Bob	Heather
Bob	Kathy	Moe	Kathy	Dana	Edward	Larry	Irene	George	George	Bob
Christie	Dana	Edward	Francine	George	Heather	Irene	Joe	Kathy	Larry	Moe

Mafia	Dana	Edward	Francine	George	Heather	Irene	Joe	Kathy	Larry	Moe
Joe	Joe	Bob	Bob	Joe	Bob	Joe	Bob	Bob	Joe	Joe
Bob	Bob	Joe	Joe	Bob	Joe	Bob	Joe	Joe	Bob	Bob

Mafia	Dana	Edward	Francine	George	Heather	Irene	Kathy	Larry	Moe
Moe	Moe	Heather	Bob	Kathy	Kathy	George	Bob	Christie	Larry
Larry	Adam	Larry	Dana	Adam	Dana	Christie	Edward	Francine	George
George	Irene	Francine	George	Moe	Christie	Francine	Dana	Edward	Edward
Francine	George	Christie	Moe	Irene	George	Adam	Francine	Kathy	Dana
Kathy	Heather	Kathy	Larry	Christie	Francine	Kathy	Adam	Heather	Kathy
Dana	Edward	Irene	Christie	Heather	Irene	Heather	Christie	Adam	Irene
Heather	Larry	George	Adam	Larry	Moe	Edward	Heather	Irene	Christie
Irene	Christie	Bob	Heather	Bob	Adam	Bob	Larry	Moe	Adam
Edward	Bob	Adam	Edward	Edward	Bob	Dana	Irene	Dana	Francine
Adam	Francine	Dana	Irene	Francine	Larry	Moe	Moe	Bob	Heather
Bob	Kathy	Moe	Kathy	Dana	Edward	Larry	George	George	Bob
Christie	Dana	Edward	Francine	George	Heather	Irene	Kathy	Larry	Moe

Mafia	Dana	Edward	Francine	George	Heather	Irene	Kathy	Larry	Moe
Moe	Moe	Kathy	Bob	Kathy	Kathy	Kathy	Bob	Kathy	Kathy
Kathy	Bob	Bob	Moe	Moe	Moe	Bob	Moe	Moe	Bob
Bob	Kathy	Moe	Kathy	Bob	Bob	Moe	Kathy	Bob	Moe

Mafia	Dana	Edward	Francine	George	Heather	Irene	Larry	Moe
Moe	Moe	Heather	Bob	Adam	Dana	George	Christie	Larry
Larry	Adam	Larry	Dana	Moe	Christie	Christie	Francine	George
George	Irene	Francine	George	Irene	George	Francine	Edward	Edward
Francine	George	Christie	Moe	Christie	Francine	Adam	Heather	Dana
Dana	Heather	Irene	Larry	Heather	Irene	Heather	Adam	Irene
Heather	Edward	George	Christie	Larry	Moe	Edward	Irene	Christie
Irene	Larry	Bob	Adam	Bob	Adam	Bob	Moe	Adam
Edward	Christie	Adam	Heather	Edward	Bob	Dana	Dana	Francine
Adam	Bob	Dana	Edward	Francine	Larry	Moe	Bob	Heather
Bob	Francine	Moe	Irene	Dana	Edward	Larry	George	Bob
Christie	Dana	Edward	Francine	George	Heather	Irene	Larry	Moe

Mafia	Dana	Edward	Francine	George	Heather	Irene	Joe	Kathy	Larry	Moe
Joe	Joe	Bob	Bob	Joe	Bob	Joe	Bob	Bob	Joe	Joe
Bob	Bob	Joe	Joe	Bob	Joe	Bob	Joe	Joe	Bob	Bob

Mafia	Dana	Edward	Francine	George	Heather	Irene	Joe	Kathy	Larry	Moe
Joe	Joe	Bob	Bob	Joe	Bob	Joe	Bob	Bob	Joe	Joe
Bob	Bob	Joe	Joe	Bob	Joe	Bob	Joe	Joe	Bob	Bob

Mafia	Dana	Edward	Francine	George	Heather	Irene	Joe	Kathy	Larry	Moe
Joe	Joe	Bob	Bob	Joe	Bob	Joe	Bob	Bob	Joe	Joe
Bob	Bob	Joe	Joe	Bob	Joe	Bob	Joe	Joe	Bob	Bob